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Topic Started: 26th August 2010 - 12:47 PM (333 Views)
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I read this great book about alien conspiracy known as "Chariots of the Gods." It's rather unusual in the realms of alien conspiracy, in that it focuses not on modern sightings of spacecraft and extraterrestrials, but rather ancient scriptures with what, in modern times, could be considered a close encounter.

Of course, the author goes on to say that pretty much every god throughout history has been a misinterpretation of extraterrestrials, which as a Christian, I certainly don't believe. Lately this book's existance has been my justification for "I can too call Dragon Ball's God 'God,'" considering the character is an alien. However, this was written a very long time before Dragon Ball, and shouldn't be taken into consideration at all.

General thoughts, I don't know whether or not extraterrestrials are visiting Earth, but I think that they're out there somewhere. To think that Earth would be the only place where life could ever possibly develop is just an example of how egotistical and self centered humans are. Apparently the cosmic scheme has allowed it so that only we exist. What utter bullcrap.

20 years ago, if you'd asked a biologist/astrologist if they believe in aliens, you probably would have gotten a flat "no." Now it's hard to find one that will say that. There's even a field of its own that speculates on what forms extraterrestrials might take on to inhabit their worlds, and what places it would be plausible for life to form and develop.

I believe the universe is teeming with life, perhaps some of it right in our faces. We just don't have a full grasp on what exactly life is and consists of. The lines between what's living and what's not seem concrete enough, but just imagine if life was formed from something like silicon. We'd have to rethink our entire definition of life as we know it.

Humanity needs to be open ended and accept other lifeforms for what they are. If we ever make contact, it's likely that many of us will be unaccepting of our celestial neighbors because they're different. I'd welcome such a thing with open arms, however. For me, the thought that there might be others somewhat like us out in the univese is such a facinating concept, it's a difficult one to ignore.

If we do end up meeting aliens, it will likely change our perspective on the universe we live in forever.
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Alrighty then. Simple question friends:who believes in aliens and who thinks they've seen a UFO?

Long before I was ever born, my mom, grandmother and my uncle saw a UFO. My uncle was outside and called my mom and grandma outside to see it. It was like one of those things like from the movies, where you see this enormous round ship with all these different colored flashing lights all around the sides. My grandmother got scared and ran back in the house, but my mom and uncle stayed outside to watch it. It flew over the house then just disappeared.

I myself saw one of those silver round ones that everyone says is a weather ballon. I don't think it was a ballon, not with the way it was dipping, rotating and flying AGAINST the wind. Strange thing is that those kinds of UFOs look just like Saiyan space pods! It would sure be nice if Vegeta stopped by in one to pick me up some day. ^_^

The first UFO I ever saw was on the 4th of July back in the mid 90's. I remember it looked like two huge metal pipes with flames coming out the back of it. Weird. I still have no idea what that thing could of been, and most likely I never will.

So naturally I believe in aliens. For one thing, I don't think you can be a fan of DBZ and not believe in them. For another, I've seen and heard about too much stuff that I just can't explain. And all that weather ballon & ball lightning stuff just doesn't cut it with me.
One scientist claimed that all UFOs are stars, and that because our eyes aren't used to the dark, our eyes play tricks on us and make the stars appear to move. I don't think so!! Why don't the stars fly around every night all over the world then? Most of the excuses I've heard are just a bunch of baloney.
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One scientist claimed that all UFOs are stars.
That person isn't fit to be a scientist. Seriously. A UFO can be anything from a space ship to a cake about to hit you in the face as long as it's flying and you don't know what it is.

I'm certain that there's life out there, simply due to the sheer number of planets. But because we're so far apart, making contact with intelligent life before we go extinct isn't as likely. Unless warping technology is possible, even radio waves would take a few hundred years just to reach our nearest star.

Even if we "find" intelligent life, we may be far too different to ever be able to communicate.
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who believes in aliens and who thinks they've seen a UFO?


Aliens do exist. They come from other countries and speak with funny accents. :P

As for actually seeing a UFO, I've seen lots of things in the sky that I can't identify that are flying. However, this is likely due to my 30-40 vision, which makes it imposssible for me to make out any details without my glasses. I generally forget to wear them in the summer. Too much effort to put them on. :P

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I'm certain that there's life out there, simply due to the sheer number of planets. But because we're so far apart, making contact with intelligent life before we go extinct isn't as likely. Unless warping technology is possible, even radio waves would take a few hundred years just to reach our nearest star.

Even if we "find" intelligent life, we may be far too different to ever be able to communicate.


This is my general consensus when it comes to extraterrestrials. However, it takes radio waves about 4 years to reach Alpha Centuari. If there's life somewhere near that star, it wouldn't be completely implausable to say that one day spaceships will go fast enough to reach it within perhaps 10 years or so. Too much faster than that and physics will screw you over.

As for whether or not warping is possible... maybe. Just maybe. However, it'd have to open a rift in the fabric of the space-time continum, which would take a lot of energy. Like, Dragon Ball-ish ammounts of energy.

How I ended up solving the issue of space travel in one story I'm writing is pretty simple. All of the various alien species exist within the same solar system. While such sounds far fetched, the fact that the atmospheres of a planet affect surface temprature so much and potentially be altered by their inhabitants makes it a little more likely that a single star system could have a multitude of planets with life. I'd say having one defy the odds for the purposes of plot device justifies the means.
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Ah, so it's 4 years. It's been a while since I've last used those figures:tama:.

We don't know enough about space-warping and faster than light travel to come to any conclusion on it. There is actually a theoretical particle, the tachyon, that only travels at above light speed. And we don't know enough about alien life either - it could be present near the next star, or there might only be one planet with life per ten galaxies at any one time.

About panspermia, it wouldn't work with human DNA as it involves a life form travelling in space (most likely bacteria). For there to be "alien humans", we'd either have to share a bacterial ancestor and evolve the same way from that; or they could have evolved the same way at the same time by chance.

Again, this is possible due to the sheer number of planets out there. It's even possible that your solar system exists in reality (key word being possible). Heck, alien life doesn't even have to start on a planet.
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There is actually a theoretical particle, the tachyon, that only travels at above light speed.


Optimus Prime needs to lend us his tachyon transmitter.

I'd love it if there was a particle that could travel much faster than the speed of light. There'd be no lag during online games, and our Martian robots could do stuff when we tell them to. Long distance calls wouldn't have to cost so much, but they probably would anyway. :P

Either way, as opposed to panspermia (which I wrote a very long essay about a few months ago) there's something known as convergent evolution, which encompasses how nature seems to repeat itself with its designs. Because of it, two completely unrelated species on other planets could have similar body structures, manners of thinking, etc. within reason. Some have even theorized that if the KT extinction never happened, we'd probably end up with something like the reptites in Chrono Trigger. (Oddly enough, this happening is one of the game's many alternate endings.) A humaniod shape might just be one of the best designs for an inteligent lifeform to follow, considering that we have the wonder known as opposable thumbs and are able to use them rather nicely. It's possible that aliens may not be too alien, but just alien enough to make our heads hurt when we think about them.

The fact of the matter is, there are just some designs nature creates that are difficult to top. That's why humans use the wheel. If we do find other lifeforms, I'm going to say that there are a few things that I'm going to expect, provided they fit in the ecological niches of the envornment. Stuff like wings, respritory systems, a digestive tract, limbs, fins, and some methodology of procreating are merely to be expected if you ask me.
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"I'll be honest, I read a lot on alien conspiracy. A lot. One of the most interesting theories I've heard is that extraterrestrial inteligences have been guiding human evolution to make them look and act more like they do, which would explain why common alien sterotypes have them looking/behaving humanoid. (Though it could also be the result of a little something called "convergent evolution." "

the convergent evolution idea is a good one, but not the conspiracy. i don't believe other life forms would be able to guide our evolution, nor would they want to. goodness, we humans aren't that special and interesting. why would they waste their time on such a stupid task? i can understand theorising about the fact that there is life on other worlds (of course there would be, there are so many planets out there, why would earth be the only one containing life?), but these conspiracies go to far
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Did I tell you the one about the gods being aliens? Toriyama was right! :P (Oddly enough, many people, even the religious ones, believe it because the evidence can indeed lead people to believe that. My mind, however, is firmly grounded in Christianity, though, and I am unshaken) Either way, wonderful little book by Erich von Daineken called Chariots of the Gods. Sold lots of copies and is quite a read. Look it up if you enjoy delving into the weird.
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sounds pretty interesting. there's this thing, i can't remember what it's called, the 'throwing man' or something. its this amazing picture that looks like a man throwing a spear, etched into the ground. it goes on for miles. people think aliens did it because it doesn't seem people could have. you cn see it on the net though you have to figure out the right search word
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So, I got a really good deal on some of the steel DVD books for the movies FUNimation put out, so I figured "what the heck," and picked up movies 1-4. Now, there's a quick scene where the title of the movie comes up and it's the background for this that caught my eye.

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As for what the heck this actually is, it seems to be a cave drawing of an enormous Namekian, judging by the antennae, ears, bands along the arms, and the fact that we do know it's possible for a Namekian to temporarily be that size. I have no idea what the figure with the wings is supposed to represent.

Being someone who watches the History Channel more than I probably should, I know a thing or two about alien conspiracy. There seems to be this one theory that the gods in ancient times were misinterpretations of extraterrestrial visitors. Of course, I've always thought the fact Earth's god in Dragon Ball actually is an alien to be nothing more than a coincidence. But perhaps Toei was a little more aware of these crazy conspiracy theories and threw that image in there. After watching the movie, I looked on Google Images for a similar looking cave drawing I'd seen on a program on the History Channel. What I found was not that image, but something even more similar to the scene above. Tell me I'm not crazy when I say this cave drawing, which by the way was discovered some time in the late 1950's, looks a lot like the image above.

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Anyone care to contribute their thoughts?
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hmm well maybe toriyama and toei were considering this stuff. wouldn't be surprising

a picture of the 'Marree man" it's unbelievable.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=htt...=1t:429,r:7,s:0


lol hows that for a link. or simply search marree man in google images. Do it. It's 4.2 k's tall!
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Actually, the only known input that Toriyama had on movie 4 was two things. The first is the actual character design for Slug, which is pretty cool. You can find that here. The other thing was mentioned in the Daizenshuu. Apparently, Mr. Toriyama came up with the idea of Namekians getting irritated by whistling. I bet he never knew Toei was going to use it for their ending, though. Let's try to forget that...

As for the "Marree Man," I'd think it's just some sort of drawing of a deity. Since gods are usually thought to live in the sky, perhaps the people who made it thought that they'd just look down and be able to see it.
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yes this is true, but it's more anout how the people did it. thats the mystery. tey didn't have an aerial view back then, how did they get those markings to be so precise? its a pretty amazing feat and would be difficult to draw an image of that magnitude (several kilometres) with such precision. i don't know how they did it but whatever it was it's pretty cool ^_^
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