| 2012 Discussion Thread; Why DID the Myan calendar end? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 30th September 2010 - 01:48 PM (1,282 Views) | |
| Aisu-Girl | 30th September 2010 - 01:48 PM Post #1 |
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Look at me, I'm a weeaboo! Ore-sama something sugoi desu something!
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And what day is it going to end again? Last time I checked it was 12/24/2012. Anywayz, what do you think of it? |
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| Kiyza | 30th September 2010 - 01:56 PM Post #2 |
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Supposedly the winter solstice, which is the 21st. It's bullcrap. Absolute bullcrap. Do you have any idea how many times people have said the world's going to end? And you know what? We're still here. I just don't buy it. |
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| Ruby | 30th September 2010 - 01:59 PM Post #3 |
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I think...that there is a strong posibility that it could happen. I've heard far too much about how the ancient Myyann (or however you spell that) people had a calender that was far more advanced than anything we have today, and how it could be used to predict things long before it happened. I've also always believed that ancient people were more in tune with the energies of the Earth and cosmic universe, giving them a knowledge and understanding of things that we could never begin to imagine. Damn tech overload... It's ruined all of our abilites to understand nature anymore... Tails:WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY PRECIOUS TECH??!!! |
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| Anti | 30th September 2010 - 02:17 PM Post #4 |
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I got nuffin'.
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The thing about the Mayan calender is, it doesn't end. It just resets to zero at the start of a new age. (Age of Aquarius, I've heard, but that might be wrong. I'm Aquarian, yay! It's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius, Age of Aquarius~! C'mon, sing with me!) I watched a long documentary about 2012 a while back, and there is little to no convincing evidence about "the end of the world". And, like Kiyza said, 100% of all doomsday predictions have turned out false. Unless there is a cosmic catastrophy, the end of the word is unlikely. And even then we'd probably see it coming. |
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| Ruby | 30th September 2010 - 02:42 PM Post #5 |
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That's the problem with us as a human race. We think we're so advanced enough that we'd see something like this coming. Not a chance. I've studied about this for years and seen more shows on this then I can count, and most of it does offer up evidence that something bad is very likely going to happen. Lost books by Nostradomis (again, can't spell that right) have recently been uncovered that point to the same things as the Myan calender. Native Americans have also had the same believe too, and all these different beliefs from differet people all around the world all match and point to the same day. I found the beliefs the Native Americans had to be the most interesting. They believed that the world had ended three times already, and that 2012 would be the fourth time. They said the first time the world ended was by flood, and the Bible tells us about Noah and the great flood. How could people of a different faith even know that? That's where it starts to match up. I think they said the other two times the world would end was by war, and most agree that World War I and World War II are what they mean. The next time the world is set to end the Native Americans said it will occur when the Earth is covered by a great web, like that of a spider, and most of us see the Internet or 'world wide web' as a sign of this last thing they have mentioned. That's why the Myan calender matches the Native American beliefs. It's not about the world ending for good, just stopping and then starting over again. I think most doomsday predictions are disregarded because of this fact. People can't see the world as ending forever so they find it hard to believe. But it's not that it's gone for good, just dying off and starting over. And history has pointed to that already happening many times, so who's to say that it won't happen again when it already has? |
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| Anti | 30th September 2010 - 03:20 PM Post #6 |
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I got nuffin'.
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You'd be surprised at what we can see coming. Asteroids? We've mapped a lot of the ones near us and, if any are coming our way, we'd likely have years to prepare. Something in the centre of the Earth? There are so many seismographs that someone would know at least a second before we all die (worst case scenario). Sun randomly disappearing? We'd notice before we eventually freeze to death. Seeing it coming is not the same as surviving it, though. If we can't see it coming, how did we (humans) predict it? But if you look at the World Wars from an animal's point of view (rather than a human's) would you consider the world as ending or "stopping and starting"? There was a time where there were only a few thousand humans left on the Earth, but I doubt that would qualify either when you consider life as a whole. I wouldn't say that faith had anything to do with it. For example, I have no faith and I know the story, as well as some of the stories However, the fact that Native Americans were cut off from the Europe/Africa/Asia landmass (where Christianity started) at the time is something to think about. Funny you should mention that. Technically, the whole Universe could have started 5 seconds ago with us existing with fake memories being the main record of a past that never existed. After all, memories are simply chemical/electrical reactions in the brain so chemicals coming into existence in a certain pattern could potentially become memories (Peggs might have to verify this bit). --- We don't know everything about how the Universe works, so something might happen on that day. there is an INCREDIBLY small chance that the Earth could suffer from something called "Total Existence Failure" (in which it literally poofs out of existence) in the Universe's lifetime (let alone a certain day). It's a quantum thing, so I don't know much about it. Personally, I'll make sure I eat popcorn that day. If you try to enjoy each day as it comes, does it matter if the world ends or not? If it does, there's nothing left to worry about (discounting religious stuff, which I don't believe in). If not, then there's no sense in wasting time worrying when you could enjoy yourself. That's the way I see things, anyway. |
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| Aisu-Girl | 30th September 2010 - 03:22 PM Post #7 |
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Look at me, I'm a weeaboo! Ore-sama something sugoi desu something!
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:mew: This is going way more serious than the SEGA 2012 discussion thread...I agree with Ruby! |
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| Anti | 30th September 2010 - 03:25 PM Post #8 |
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I got nuffin'.
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I think we need a Debating section, to be honest. :mew: |
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| Aisu-Girl | 30th September 2010 - 03:27 PM Post #9 |
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Look at me, I'm a weeaboo! Ore-sama something sugoi desu something!
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Or a thread. Conidering the long posts a lot of people do here, this'll get to 3 pages pretty fast... So, who thinks down with communism? |
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| Ruby | 30th September 2010 - 08:45 PM Post #10 |
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I'm not so sure about that, AntiMew. I've seen many shows that stated that we don't know the location of every asteroid out there. If I remember correctly, a couple years ago there was a string of seven or so massive asteroids that struck Jupiter, each about as big as our moon. It took a while, but the scientists finally admitted afterwords that they had no clue that they were coming or even that they were out there. Evetually this lead to them admitting that if an asteroid big enough to destroy us was coming to hit us, we would be lucky to have a couple days or weeks notice. And even then we know of nothing that could stop it. And what the Myaan calender predicted was an aligment of the Earth with a dark rift in the center of the galaxy while also aligning with the sun. Now I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but scienntists are beginning to believe that in the center of galaxy is a black hole. They have even gone so far as to speculate that this can be proven in the way that everything in the galaxy rotates, like in other words the galaxy is being slowly sucked dwn the drain into this black hole. Scientists then connected this idea to the 'dark rift' mentioned by the Myaans to be the black hole. In other words if things line up just right we could get sucked into a black hole, or atleast that's what I'm guessing it means. Another idea is the shift in the Earth's magnetic field could occur on that date. It has been proven that this has happened before, and the latest scientific reports show that it is beginning to happen again. Though something like that probably wouldn't wipe us out, but it would seriously screw up and/or destroy our way of life as we know it for a good long while. And as for the 'if we can't see it coming how'd we predict it' part, I mean humans that are alive today in the here and now couldn't see it coming. Ancient people knew more than us, we only like to think we're better because of our computers and other tech. :mew: |
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| Anti | 30th September 2010 - 10:08 PM Post #11 |
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I got nuffin'.
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I remember that Jupiter thing, that was quite a few years ago and there has been plenty of work on mapping out asteroids. We now a lot (if not most) of the ones in Near Earth Orbit. Didn't say all of them, but there you go. I was looking up the galactic alignment theory, and found quite an [url=interesting website. [QUOTE]The 2012 AD conjunction is one that involves the earth, sun, and the galactic equator, specifically at a time when the earth is at the winter solstice (northern hemisphere) point of its orbit, at a seasonal extreme. Now, an event of this sort certainly does not occur every year, but rather once only every 25800 years.[/QUOTE] The only difference between this and the usual twice-yearly alignment is how far the Earth is tilted on its axis. While most scientists are sure that there is a black hole in the centre of our galaxy (some would claim that most, if not all, do), it would have likely affected us already. In fact, it's more likely to have an effect if it was the Sun between us and the centre - two forces pulling in one direction. Now, nothing I've said has anything to do with "thinking we're better", and the calendar does seem to predict something if the following proves true:
The "end of the world" part of the 2012 theory is the part I have problems with, not whether or not the Mayans were predicting anything. However, I'd have to check out some other sources before I can make up my mind on that matter. The "end of the world" part was also stuck to the Millennium Bug (which was when certain computer systems would reset to 1900 in 2000 as they used a 2-digit year code rather than 4. It'd cause problems, but not the "end of the world") and various other coincidences/inconveniences/prophecies. |
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| Ruby | 15th October 2010 - 01:57 AM Post #12 |
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Who likes Mew? :mew: lol My brain is fried from all this intense stuff! I think I'll let this sit awhile. To be honest I can only take in so much at one time. :wacko: Don't know if half of what we've been writing has even sunk in. Oohh, I'm getting a headache... And I'm hungry too. I need to get me some chow. Okay, lemme think. What else could I add? Hmmm.... I've heard that the world won't end instantly but gradually over time, starting on 2012 December 21st. Those Nostradomus books (still can't spell that one ) tell that we do have time to change things and that it isn't too late.Knowing asteroids near Earth also doesn't help us with all the other ones out there we don't know about. All I know is that I've got my list made of all the things I want to do before the 2012 disaster, including watching a marathon of every DBZ episode ever made and stuffing myself with hot dogs. |
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| Oldenmw | 3rd February 2011 - 07:15 PM Post #13 |
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I'm on the Kiyza/AM side of this, the world "ending" was going to happen in 2000, it was going to happen in WWII, and honestly the Mayan's probably just got lazy with it. I mean do we have calendars going past almost 2000 years in the future? No, because nobody cares about that far ahead. If we were wiped out and a new group of humans came along and found our calendar, I doubt they would see it stopping and say "oh look, the world must end then." However, that won't stop me and my friends from having a 2012 party. xD |
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| Anti | 4th February 2011 - 03:23 AM Post #14 |
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I got nuffin'.
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It's not really that simple, though. The Mayan calander is a cycle (hence it "resetting" rather than ending) and the date it's resetting on is pretty significant (see my last post). |
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| Silver Star | 5th February 2011 - 02:12 AM Post #15 |
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All hail Kefka!
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little tip for ya'll- read about the web bot and watch the history channel special 'Apocolypse Island' before you jump to conclusions. i believe very much that something will happen in 2012. i think humans can't accept the idea of the world ending because most of us can't understand the concept of it. most think it means everything shuts down right now, like lights on lights off. but i don't think it will work that way. i think it won't be that the world will end for good, just that the world as we know it will not exist. life will go on but it will be seriously different than the way it was before. i think big things will happen that will change the world forever. i think most of the human race will die. i think a small percentage of the human race will live on. too many different civilations agree on this for it to be wrong. the web bot is famous for its predictions and even it says something will happen. recent web bot predictions for 2012 come back blank for several months, and most people think this possibly means that the human race will be knocked back to a tiime without electricity for several months. i follow the web bot and i saw it predict the recent flooding in australia. i'm watching it to see what else will happen. --------- p.s. am i getting better at debating, anti? i know i don't have detailed stuff to add but i'm trying.
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| Kiyza | 5th February 2011 - 12:38 PM Post #16 |
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The web bot is just that. A web bot. And I've seen that History Channel special before, and quite frankly, I can't put to much in the way of reliable fact regarding it. The History Channel is quickly turning into the Paranoia Channel these days. That being said, there was a very good and realistic documentary about the world ending due to human carelessness when it comes to envornmental issues, but they estimated something like that would be at least a hundred years in the future, even at the rate we're going at the moment.
This is something I can agree with. However, while I'm fine with the idea of the world ending, I feel like there isn't enough evidence to prove the world will end. It all seems like a bunch of paranoia to me.
Once again, web bot isn't a reliable source of information. |
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| Pkmn Trainer Zidane | 5th February 2011 - 01:09 PM Post #17 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw Mothman on the History channel once, along with Crop Circles... In any case, I'ma party that day until I see something bad happening. Then I'll meet up with you guys if we die and there's some sort of crazy afterlife. I'm not so interested in the whole thing. |
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| Anti | 5th February 2011 - 02:18 PM Post #18 |
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I got nuffin'.
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Better than you were. ![]() You're making points and being polite, which is good. However, you're saying we're jumping to conclusions (you could've said "Check out what I've found" and left it at that). Secondly,
You'll have to list a few for that statement to carry any weight. Saying that, I had a glance at the web bot stuff. Looks interesting (and I saw some Crystal Skull and alternate "end of the world" meanings stuff on the side) but I'll have to read through properly and digest it another time. I can only assume that Kiyza's already done the same if she's saying those things. |
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| Oldenmw | 5th February 2011 - 05:38 PM Post #19 |
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The only real group that we take all this from is the Mayans, and we base all of this paranoia off of one tablet that might have actually been a mess up, or a joke. Think about it: it's just one piece of evidence, and one piece of evidence usually isn't enough to actually prove something. |
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| peggs9 | 7th February 2011 - 06:43 AM Post #20 |
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) tell that we do have time to change things and that it isn't too late.

i know i don't have detailed stuff to add but i'm trying.


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