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| Topic Started: Aug 10 2009, 10:51 AM (73 Views) | |
| Catachan_Devil | Aug 10 2009, 10:51 AM Post #1 |
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When a transport vehicle fires at a target does the unit it is transporting have to fire at the same target or can the fire on a new target?? |
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| mortislegion | Aug 10 2009, 01:06 PM Post #2 |
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I would say yes, seeing as there's nothing about it in the rule book that I could find. That's keeping in line with normal vehicle shooting. As an aside, did you know passengers can't fire if the vehicle has moved at cruising speed? Something I didn't know. |
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| Catachan_Devil | Aug 10 2009, 03:45 PM Post #3 |
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but the argument could be is that it is not the vehicle firing - the passenger are still a seperate unit i knew the passengers cannot fire at cruising speed |
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| mortislegion | Aug 10 2009, 04:20 PM Post #4 |
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I see what you're saying, and yes it makes sense, but from what I can see, they'll follow the rules for shooting, as technically they are one unit and units all have to fire at the one target. I haven't found anything in the book to say passengers shoot at what they like. Sometimes you have to think game mechanics, rather than what would make sense, as suddenly you have a trukk full of burna boys pointing their burnas at 11 different units rather than one. Well, that was a quick game, set up another? |
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| Catachan_Devil | Aug 10 2009, 05:45 PM Post #5 |
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the problem with the Chimera then is that you passengers can only fire at what is side on to it - it would only be affective if the vehicle is moving at combat speed.. the thing is that if the chimera moves combat speed the passengers can only rapid fire there las guns, the turret multi laser will have to fire at that target and if it has a defensive heavy stubber that can fire too - which isn't too bad considering the multi laser is strength 6 and the heavy stubber is strength 4 you will get 6 lasgus shots at strength 3 the down side is lets say you are playing againts ORKS or any varient of space marines - they will also be in rapid fire range and bolters at strength 4 will be able to hammer there exposed side armour (AV 10) so the next turn the chimera will be largely ineffective (best case.. shaken or stunned results) the only answer is that the tank needs to have close range support |
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| pAgan | Aug 11 2009, 05:33 PM Post #6 |
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maybe a question for the GW boys? 
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| TimmiG | Aug 12 2009, 01:49 PM Post #7 |
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I have seen this question in FAQs before, the unit inside the vehicle is a SEPERATE entity, and thus all must fire at the same target, but can target a seperate unit from the vehicle transporting them. Passaengers also use the how far the vehicle moved to determine what weapons they can fire from fire points. So if the vehicle moved 6" then only assault and rapid fire at 12" can be fired. If the vehicle was stationary than Heavy weapons and rapidfire at max range. If the vehicle moves more than 6" than no passengers may fire unless they would normally be able to do so (This doesn't really apply to any squads i can think of as only jump infatry can move that far and shoot, and they cannot board transports) This is clearly stated in the Official FAQ http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2030054_40k_Rulebook_March_2009.pdf Second page. So in short, yes, you can move your Chimera 6inches, fire its allowed weapons at that tank, and then the infantry inside can target that apporaching infantry Squad (assuming they are within range and LOS of at least one of the Fire Points.), Which means the Chimera's passengers cant fire as squads in front, but either side or directly behind- remember the shots are taken from the top hatch- is fair game. Also note it doesnt say Lasgans have to be fired. The rule is "Five Models can fire from the top hatch." p39. The stuff about the lasgun emplacements are Fluff as its says "In reality, several are firing from the fixed lasgun emplacements along either flank, but for simplicity we assume all shots are taken from the hatch" Edited by TimmiG, Aug 12 2009, 02:11 PM.
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| Storm Templar | Aug 12 2009, 06:04 PM Post #8 |
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Sooo...Relentless models could fire if the vehicle moved then? Because they suffer no movement penalty for shooting....Ouch. Although why you would have a Relentless unit inside a vehicle I don't know |
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| TimmiG | Aug 13 2009, 01:01 AM Post #9 |
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Exactly, of the top of my head, all relentless units cant be transported anyway. Only Imperial Guard Veteran Sergant Harker could benefit from this (as far as i know) |
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