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ROUND SIX; My fucking god
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Topic Started: Jul 16 2010, 12:14 AM (232 Views)
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Kristen
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Jul 16 2010, 03:39 AM
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Yay, the alliance btween me, Monet, and Brit is finally happening.
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Here is the newest plan: I am going to talk to Monet about the fact that now that she KNOWS Ragan and Matt were selling her out, you HAVE to be included in the alliance if she has any shot of not being picked off the next round. I think it's the only way both of us can watch them fight like cats and dogs and come up looking innocent. And yes, this sounds horrible, but BLAME KATHY must be in full effect now. FYI I told Monet that I first heard about it from Kathy. Ok Brit here is the plan. Monet is down with this plan. I told her that I was going to "strongarm" you into joining me/Monet/Annie I guess, since Annie kinda talked herself into a corner. Monet at this point has NO idea how much we've spoken, I think she assumed you were a floater. You are going to send her a PM saying you hope she trusts you because you put up Matt even up against great pressure, etc. And then we can still come out of this smelling like roses. Sound like a plan?
Okay I combined your last two PMs because I'm still backlogged. I'm also semi distracted. You telling people you heard from Kathy is perfect, because it goes along with what I'm telling Ragan about me ONLY telling Kathy, and her running her mouth. This round is making me feel like absolute shit for pinning all this on her. But, it must be done. What do you mean Annie talked her way into a corner? And I can do that... I'll just bring it up when the convo gives me a chance. Ragan wants to work with me to get out of this mess. I told him I wasn't sure what we could do.  This is chaos.
Monet saved Annie, and Annie sent me this longass pm saying she was so so loyal to the Big 5 before she disappeared, so now, if she runs back to Matt/Ragan she'll have the wrath of Monet on her. I mean, Matt still denies it, but Annie must know that Andrew/Rach/Matt/Ragan are working together. What did Ragan say about the big 5? I'm curious. :lol:
Deal was, I think Annie WAS pretty fucking loyal to that Big 5 alliance. I tried to align with her near the beginning, and she totally brushed me off. I was like... okay, obvo not interested  She might be the only member of that alliance that didn't have (many) side deals. Maybe just the deal with Andrew? Dunno. Matt/Ragan for sure...and even if they're not "officially" aligned with Andrew, they've got SOMETHING going on. Rachel? I'm honestly not sure. I think up till the point she was put up, she WAS playing true to her shtick. And I'll forward you his message.
Well, I think when Andrew used the veto on Rachel instead of Annie, Annie was shocked, and she must have been hurt by it. I think Annie's played a pretty clean game actually, as has Monet. Which is why i think we should align with them, I feel like they're simpler and easier to manipulate than Ragan and Matt. They are also not as tight as Ragan and Matt are to each other. Yeah, forward me that message, at this point, the Big 5 alliance imploding is good, but it needs to happen in a way that keeps both of us smelling like roses.
I think that's half the reason why Andrew wasn't happy with me. He thought I'd throw up Monet (even though in my replies to him, I OBVIOUSLY didn't want to backdoor Monet) so I played him and had him take off Rachel. I felt bad... but if SOMEBODY had kept that coup for when they needed it (like say next round <_< ), Annie would've left like I had been aiming for the whole time <_< If the wrong person wins HOH, I think Monet is going to KICK herself for wasting such power. She wasted it on Kathy, somebody who couldn't win challenges if her life depended on it. Yeah if I can patch things up with Annie as well... and if she actually can get it through her head that the Big 5 is done, it would be worth it. I'm just going to be non-committal to Ragan/Matt. I did. He was just basically covering his ass since he had no choice but to come clean :rolleyes:
Well Monet is ... Monet. She's very stubborn and I don't think there was anything anyone could have said to stop her from using the coup.  I think I'm the person closest to her in the house, and she didn't tell me. She just kind of does her thing. I'm pissed bc I think it was a wasted opportunity and she really got snowed by Ragan. Poor Kathy. Ragan's kind of a piece of shit. No other word for it.
Well she was probably right to keep it to herself, though I probably would've shared it with you and only you. I can't believe these people are eating up that I told KATHY about shit :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm a bit pissed about it as well, but if Annie's on Monet's side, then it's a GOOD thing since it'd be two challenge whores vs Andrew/Rachel I'm just confessing shit like I had a deal with him to Monet now because I'm not going to let that stuff blow up in my face. I'm hammering it in that I don't trust him and I want to work with her and you. I don't trust Ragan anyway so it works out.
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Kristen
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Jul 16 2010, 03:39 AM
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She told me she was backlogged in PM's, but she said that Ragan wants to "work it out" with her and she replied that she doesn't even know what she can do.  I think she's pissed at him because he tried to pin the backdooring thing on her for a bit, before he finally fessed up.
That's good info. We could maybe even say the boys tried to climb back with us and blamed the backdoor on her. She sounds pretty nervous about the upcoming round.
Ooh, good idea. GMTA. Yes, and it;s true, Ragan did throw her under a bus earlier. I have the PM's I can show her if she doubts it. Swell listen this has been a really exhausting night, but I'm glad that we're both still here. You've been an awesome ally since like the very beginning of the game.
Good  Do that whole forward PM thing you're the best at. This has been a crazy night for sure. I'm just glad I still have you with me in the final eight  I'll be on during the weekend so if you come back shoot me a message.
My god we're all on here LATE. We have no life. :lol:
Well, this was a fucking crazy round :lol: I cannot believe I'm on at almost half past 4 playing a game, though. And I might even confess in the DR before calling it a night because everything is still fresh in my mind. Britney just told me she'd be down with an alliance between us all. I think she sounds pretty genuine about it.
She told me that too. I think she is genuine about it, and there really aren't many options for her anyway. What's she going to do, try to make an alliance with Rachel? :lol: You know I think using the coup did accomplish one thign: it broke up the Kathy/Britney pair. I do know htey absolutely were a pair, and now with Kathy gone Britney has to join us/
I know they were a pair, and I have a feeling Rachel had something with her as well. I just couldn't ever read Kathy, so I won't lose sleep over evicting her. Britney knows Ragan is fake as press-ons. I really think his only interest in her is for protection and a vote. But she realizes with us, she's firmly in a solid alliance and not just a tag-along.
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Jul 16 2010, 11:54 AM
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So does this mean last night's chaos was just a start? :lol:
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Kristen
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Jul 16 2010, 12:57 PM
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- Jack Johnson,Jul 16 2010
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So does this mean last night's chaos was just a start? :lol:
:lol: Well the Big 5 imploded, so everyone is repositioning themselves, so yes I guess it is just a start.
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Kristen
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Jul 16 2010, 01:29 PM
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More strategizing with Brit. She truly is the most amazing ally I've had in a game in SUCH a long time. My game really hinged on her not throwing me under a bus after Monet used the coup last night. But what a great ally, our strategy talks are like seriously the absolute best.
Both of us are now thinking that as long as we're aligned with Monet, Monet will always be the bad cop of that alliance. Brit said that I was actually Ragan's favorite girl from the now defunct Big 5 alliance. Monet will always be a great shield, because of her lack of social skills, her bossy brusque style, and her challenge whoredom.
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G'afternoon, I just woke up about an hour ago :lol: Just figured I'd update you on what happened last night. Nothing much, really, but I think I'm solidly with you/Monet... and hopefully later, Annie. I stayed on about an hour later last night and talked more with Monet last night than I have this entire game. She knows I had a deal with Matt/Ragan, and that Ragan was bugging me last night about working together to get out of this "mess".... I don't want any stupid shit to ruin this.
I think my biggest worry at this point, is that Andrew/Annie are undeniably close, but after Andrew didn't use the veto on her, we could probably exploit that.
Anyway, I think Sunday night, we'll finally see what Matt/Ragan can bring to competitions. How exciting :rolleyes:
I just woke up too. I am an East Coaster and after 5 in the morning I was spent. :lol: But I'm glad you and Monet talked, because I think Monet has a lot of trust issues, but she's undeniably a good ally, and probably the only shot the two of us have against Andrew and Rachel, who are challenge beasts as well. Annie never logs on, it's hard to know where her head is at, she hardly ever PM's people even in her big 5 alliance, and at this point I'm not sure how close she is with Andrew after Andrew didn't use the veto on her. But did Andrew just assume you were going to backdoor Monet?
:lol: Apparently Monet is an East Coaster too because she mentioned it was 6AM when she logged off. You guys are crazy, I only stayed up till 4.  Monet was saying that she sorta regretted not using the coup on Matt/Ragan and I had to resist the urge to be like YES, but I did say Kathy was no real threat to her by any means :lol: I agree though that Monet's our best shot. Yeah he did, even after I told him I didn't want him to use the veto, and I wanted noms to stay the same. It's likely because he talked to Ragan and I told you Ragan and I talked about backdooring Monet. So, Ragan most likely told him I'd do it. I didn't talk to Andrew about backdooring Monet AT ALL until I won HOH and he won veto.
Andrew is a weirdo. He stopped pm'ing me last night completely. I have to assume that he is completely in an alliance with matt and Ragan, and both of them actually make fun of him. <_< Another reason I trust Monet more is that Matt and Ragan are supertight with Rachel, and Rachel to this point still won't talk game to me, so it's like ... Oh wellz.  This is also kind of mean and evil for me to think, but don't you think that if we're aligned with Monet, we'd always be the good cops of that alliance and Monet the bad cop? Monet is just incredibly blunt and hard to really like, and so as long as she's around, Ragan/Matt/Andrew will have someone to hate on. AND now that Monet wasted her coup, she has less power, and is more dependent on us. 
I PM'ed him to apologize for leading him on about backdooring Monet, even though... yeah, he had to be blind not to see I didn't want to do it. Andrew DOES now know that my "worry" about a bigger alliance that didn't include us was totally legit, and that he, Rachel and I were on the "outs" but I doubt it'll change much. I think he's still solid with Ragan/Matt. WTF is with Ragan/Matt and making fun of people? I'd say they should be honorary Wallflower Bitches... but the thought makes me wanna puke  Rachel talks minimal game with me. Her/Andrew were the people I had no real alliance with, but I still talked to on a regular basis. I still have no clue wtf she'd do if she won HOH. :lol: I didn't think of it that way, but it's totally true. Monet will always take the bullet for us as long as she's around, which is score for us. The wrong person just can't win HOH on Sunday. But srsly, if Annie is with us, I guess it wouldn't be a waste. Guess we'll see on that front
You can also play HoH! So it'll be I think 4 vs. 4. Although hard to tell with Annie, she really doesn't log on enough for anyone to get a handle on her. Hopefully Monet will have filled her in on all of last night's dramatics because Annie left immediately after the challenge. :rolleyes: Andrew and Rachel at this point are playing the exact same game. Neither of them are really in any real alliances, but by doing this sweet, innocent thing, both of them are not being targeted in a serious way. Both are also challenge whores. I kind of am :rolleyes: that Ragan said that he didn't tell me of the plan to backdoor Monet because I didn;t ever say anyhting negative about her. well I never said anything negative because I knew that if she won HoH he'd totally throw me under a bus. :rolleyes:
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Jul 16 2010, 02:11 PM
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I'm also alol'ing that Ragan thought he was being groundbreaking when he spilled to Brit about the awful politics of the Big 5, when I've been aligned with Brit since after the first round. He's so several days late and several dollars short in that respect.
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Jul 16 2010, 05:12 PM
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Annie is doing a good job to seem like she was totally innocent in all of this backdooring Monet plan. I'm 50/50 about it. I think she knew about it, maybe even fkae agreed to it, but was never as open about it as Ragan. Oh well, I think now the house really is divided between Rachel/Andrew/Matt/Ragan and Brit/Me/Monet/Annie.
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Ragan just explained to me too that he wanted to backdoor but I had no clue that Matt was in on it. That does surprise me. I guess this Big 5 really is just done. There's no way, after all of this information is coming out, that this can be repaired because people in it just don't like each other. I was never told about this Monet backdoor either and it seems like I WAS because of Kathy running her mouth about a conversation that happened on Wednesday night that wasn't rooted in reality, only in her head. Monet knows I didn't want her out because I covered my tracks and went to her before Kathy could rat me out. It does make sense though, because she told Ragan and Ragan came to me asking if it was true. He WANTED me to say yes, that I wanted to take Monet out because then he would be elated by that, but I crushed his hopes by saying that it wasn't true. Ragan, Matt, and Kathy must have had something. Matt knew I would put Kathy up if he used POV so even though I urged him to use it, he didn't because he wanted Monet up. For the record though I think Rachel legitimately WAS shocked to be vetoed and I don't think she ever predicted he would take her off over me. I know I never thought he would do that  Andrew was ultimately trying to get out Monet too but I don't know why he thought taking Rachel off would do that when I was Britney's target.
Yeah well I talked it all out with Monet last night, I don't think she trusts Ragan or Matt at all anymore, so it's like, the Big 5 is done. I definitely think Kathy had a deal with Matt and Ragan, and they threw her under the bus when they saw Monet had the coup. I don't know how involved Brit is in this whole thing because she didn't put Monet up when I know she had lots of pressure from Matt, Ragan, Kathy, and Andrew. But I know she didn't want Andrew to use the veto. Ragan said that he tried to bait me into saying something negative about Monet, and I never took the bait, mostly because I knew that once I did, he'd throw me under a bus and run right back to Monet if Monet won HoH. So I'm glad I made that call. But I'm thinking that maybe it's best that we cut off our ties with Andrew. He obviously is WAY closer to Matt and Ragan than I imagined, since he knew all about the backdooring plan. He's stopped PM'ing me, and his use of the veto on Rachel shows that he's following Matt and Ragan's orders as well. I know Monet will want to go right after Matt and Ragan now, but neither of them can win competitions, whereas Andrew right now (and Rachel too) are challenge whores.
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Jul 16 2010, 06:14 PM
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Ooh, now Ragan is trying to restrike a deal with me but backing off at the same time. He must think I'm stupid. WHy would I be bottom man in a five person alliance? Although Annie seems like she is seriously considering flipping. She said she doesn't want Monet to win HoH next round.
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Well, I know that you and Rachel don't exactly get along (apparantly to the point of not even saying her name :lol: ), but who would go up against her? Someone has to do it. You don't have to tell me, because as long as it isn't me, I'm fine :rwub :owub :ywub :gwub :bwub I know that you're permaligned with Monet now or whatever, but I wish you would just drop her like a hot pogayto <_< . She can't be that worth it.
I don't know, haven't decided, but it wouldn;t be you. And as for dropping Monet, well, I don't know what to say ... It's not like you're really offering me anything. I feel like now I'd be like the fifth wheel, at the very bottom of the totem pole in the alliance of you/Matt/Andrew/Britney (???). I mean, you would probably keep Rachel over me right?
I'm not offering you anything, no. I meant that statement as a joke, but it appears to me like you're opening the door to a wonderful fagulous place of new possibities :lol: . I think everyone is overestimating my relationship with Rachel. The reason I don't want to vote her out is because we are friends and I know that she wouldn't come after me directly. I acknowledge though that there is a point in the game that she will have to leave (which I assumed would be around the early jury stages a couple of rounds ago), so it's not like I'm not attatched to her at the hip. I don't want her gone particularly soon, though. I don't think I'm aligned with Britney at the moment. When I asked her about it, she beat around the bush, kind of like she's been doing with everyone over the past two rounds :lol:
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Jul 16 2010, 09:43 PM
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Annie is still smartig that her bffl Andrew ditched her for Rachel, and Monet and I are pounding this into her head. She's very hurt ... which means if she wins HoH next round, she'll go after Andrew and Ragan, and not me or Monet, hopefully. The latest round of PM's is awesome because I know annie is much stronger in challenges, and I'm just kind of throwing Andrew under a bus and hurting Annie's feelings at the same time. That works out perfectly for me, because now Monet and Annie, two of the strongest challenge competitors, trust me and Brit more than they trust Ragan/Matt/Rachel/Matt.
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Ragan just explained to me too that he wanted to backdoor but I had no clue that Matt was in on it. That does surprise me. I guess this Big 5 really is just done. There's no way, after all of this information is coming out, that this can be repaired because people in it just don't like each other. I was never told about this Monet backdoor either and it seems like I WAS because of Kathy running her mouth about a conversation that happened on Wednesday night that wasn't rooted in reality, only in her head. Monet knows I didn't want her out because I covered my tracks and went to her before Kathy could rat me out. It does make sense though, because she told Ragan and Ragan came to me asking if it was true. He WANTED me to say yes, that I wanted to take Monet out because then he would be elated by that, but I crushed his hopes by saying that it wasn't true. Ragan, Matt, and Kathy must have had something. Matt knew I would put Kathy up if he used POV so even though I urged him to use it, he didn't because he wanted Monet up. For the record though I think Rachel legitimately WAS shocked to be vetoed and I don't think she ever predicted he would take her off over me. I know I never thought he would do that  Andrew was ultimately trying to get out Monet too but I don't know why he thought taking Rachel off would do that when I was Britney's target.
Yeah well I talked it all out with Monet last night, I don't think she trusts Ragan or Matt at all anymore, so it's like, the Big 5 is done. I definitely think Kathy had a deal with Matt and Ragan, and they threw her under the bus when they saw Monet had the coup. I don't know how involved Brit is in this whole thing because she didn't put Monet up when I know she had lots of pressure from Matt, Ragan, Kathy, and Andrew. But I know she didn't want Andrew to use the veto. Ragan said that he tried to bait me into saying something negative about Monet, and I never took the bait, mostly because I knew that once I did, he'd throw me under a bus and run right back to Monet if Monet won HoH. So I'm glad I made that call. But I'm thinking that maybe it's best that we cut off our ties with Andrew. He obviously is WAY closer to Matt and Ragan than I imagined, since he knew all about the backdooring plan. He's stopped PM'ing me, and his use of the veto on Rachel shows that he's following Matt and Ragan's orders as well. I know Monet will want to go right after Matt and Ragan now, but neither of them can win competitions, whereas Andrew right now (and Rachel too) are challenge whores.
Andrew's decisions this past round were definitely an eye opener to me. If he was really that close to me he would have used the veto on me, it's just so fucking stupid. I'm actually still hurt by it. He apologized and I accepted it but I would have NEVER done that to him since he specifically told me that he would use the veto on me. And then it "changes" last minute. I'm not going to fully cut ties but Andrew doesn't have my loyalty anymore after that. I had his back so much when people were annoyed by him. I don't think Monet is going to go after Rachel, she might do Andrew. But definitely not Rachel. I think we might be looking at some combination of Andrew/Britney/Matt/Ragan nominations if she wins, which is why it's so important that she doesn't win HOH :lol: I like the girl, I owe her my life and I'm not going after her, but I don't want Matt or Ragan to leave either honestly.
Well I don;t either, I like Ragan and Matt a lot, but I don't know, I think Monet is really stubborn and you know she'll fight like hell to win HoH on sunday. I also felt like I was super-nice to Andrew, and that I always tried to protect him, and he doesn't even know how much shit people talked about him behind hsi back in the beginning of the game. Now? He barely PM's me anymore, and that's kind of hurtful, because I feel like you and I had his back from the beginning of the game, whereas Matt and Ragan probably snatched him up because of his skill in challenges. Who are you going to put up if you win HoH on Sunday? This is going to be one hot mess.
Yeah honestly I just feel so... I can't even describe it. I thought Andrew and I were really friends and I can't imagine him being closer to Matt and Ragan than he is to me. But before Monet won HOH he couldn't even say that words "I won't evict you" to me. All he did was bitch and complain about Britney not doing what he wanted and it was like he was afraid of telling me who he was evicting. It was a night of revelations, that's for sure. At this point I don't know who I would put up if I won HOH, I guess Britney would have to be one of them. Now that this Big 5 is no longer really together I would feel more comfortable nominating Ragan after the whole backdoor Monet thing. Like, how can he complain to me that she nominated him after he was planning to backdoor her behind our backs the whole time? lol
Well I noticed Andrew getting more and more distant over time. We used to kind of hang around and chat and joke about a lot of things, and I was actually appreciating his kind of weird, offbeat sense of humor. Meanwhile, during this entire time, Matt and Ragan made it clear they had NO use for him, and would rather see him gone than not. Then all of a sudden, Andrew's PM's to me became really formal, and he started going on and on about how much he loved Matt, Ragan, Rachel, etc. And I was like ok ... By last night he was refusing to even return my PM's until everything was over. And today he was saying that he took Rachel off the block because of a "plan" and I was like come on Andrew, i know what the plan was, it was to backdoor Monet. :rolleyes: But he sure became snotty real quick, and then he started saying stuff like he was never close to you, you guys just "joked around," and I got kind of disgusted because I'm like dude, we were your only friends in the house for a couple rounds. Ragan is also acting like all distant to me, which disappoints me, because I'm not the type of person who will stop pm'ing someone just because we're no longer exactly in an alliance. It's like dude, you have a problem with Monet, I didn;t do anything to you, stop treating me like a leper. Ugh, the whole series of events made me very disappointed in both Ragan and Andrew. :rolleyes:
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Jul 16 2010, 09:52 PM
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Sunday's HoH will be EPIC. it's be a showdown between me, Annie, Monet, and Brit vs. Matt, Ragan, Rachel, and Andrew. May the best hamster win.
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Jul 16 2010, 11:31 PM
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Britney continues to tell me everything:
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I haven't been completely honest with you, Britney. After this message, you're welcome to leave me out to dry. I wouldn't be offended. Please, just hear me out first.
On the second day of this game, Kristen pulled me into an alliance with herself, Monet, Annie, Matt and me. I HATED this alliance so much. First of all, I had hardly talked to Monet at the time. She was a mystery to me. Plus, I thought Annie was shady as all get out. The reason it really irked me was because you weren't in it. I felt like we hit it off the best in the beginning, so I didn't know what to do. I had a couple of options: I could try to bring you in or I could keep it a secret.
I kept it a secret. Five people for an alliance is a ton. I thought that surely, this alliance won't last. It HAS to implode. Then the next three boots went so smoothly, that I started to wonder if it would ever break up. That's when we aligned, which was something I planned on keeping. It was a deal that I chose to make, not an alliance I was forced into.
Then, you, Matt, Andrew and I didn't really start working together... But there was a comraderie between us. I felt like I could actually trust you guys - which is a completely different scenario than what I felt with Annie, Monet and Kristen (Kristen who I didn't want to know about you and Andrew, Monet who doesn't like me, and Annie who never logged on).
So, I decided to try to get rid of Monet to help that alliance out the door. That's why I wanted you to nominate Monet and Annie - Kristen would be forced to decide, and hopefully she would pick the wrong person. I wanted that alliance to be done with, because I actually trusted you and Andrew.
You know I don't get along with Monet - she even nominated me tonight. Annie doesn't talk to me, and I was so ready to vote her out when she was up against Rachel (I didn't think it would be possible, though).
If you can't forgive me, that's fine. I just have to come clean. This game has put so much pressure on me, and after being nominated tonight, I know what I have to do.
I'm sooo sorry for the late reply, I'm so fucking backlogged with PMs right now, plus I have to do damage control with Andrew/Annie. This night has been the fucking night from hell. Congrats on staying, not that there was any question given Kathy's rep in the game. Wow. So I was right to be worried about a big alliance being formed from the getgo? Fuck :lol: Funniest thing is that Andrew's last PM to me was like, he thinks I was right that there was an alliance and that Rachel, him and I were on the outs. Guess this was the confirmation I needed. Did you tell either of Rachel/Andrew? Just so I don't say too much. Anyway, I'm not mad. We're all here to play the game, and in the early stages, I don't think it would've made a ton of sense to tell me about it. I was ALWAYS banking on whatever big alliance was out there to implode, because I know they always do. I was biding my time waiting for it to happen. And I think after tonight, it's suffice to say that that alliance looks to be finished. I guess my question would be where do you want to go from there?  You've come clean, Matt hasn't... and Andrew after tonight, I'm sure doesn't trust me much anymore. Annie's probably hardcore going to gun for me. I don't know if Rachel would, she's well within her right to. This game just kicked into overdrive tonight :lol:
Right now, I just want to know one thing. Kristen and Kathy both knew about the rumors to backdoor Monet, which is what has caused all of this drama. Did you go to those two, and if you did it... why would you? Matt and I were throwing our entire game away for you, and if you told those two, it would sting.
Annie's message started it, when Kathy told me about how Annie wanted to backdoor Monet.... well, I had something going on with Kathy, and I told her about the possibility that you guys may want to do it but for her NOT to run her mouth. She.. did. I mean, I didn't put up Kathy tonight when there was pressure to, and I'll admit I was protecting her. I didn't think she'd take whatever shit I told her and go running around with it. I was actually shocked when she nominated you tonight, because I didn't tell Monet about it. So sorry about that, I didn't mean it in a "hey, let's sell them out!" kind of way.
Well, that was pretty stupid on all accounts. :rolleyes: Anyways, I think we're both pretty fucked after tonight's events. I think that if any of Monet, Annie and possibly Kristen win HoH, us two are going up  . If you want to, and please don't bullshit me here, we can totally work through this and see what good we can do as an alliance. We'll be up against a shit ton in the next challenge, but it's worth a try.
Apparently so, but I do admit I tend to put too much faith in one or two people. I should've learned by now that that one person will mess up the game for me. I would be willing to try, but I don't think people like Annie would put you up. She'd put me up, for sure, but I don't think she'd put you up. I think most of the trust in this house was broken tonight thanks to everything that went down... and I honestly have no idea where we could go from here. I told Kathy she should prepare the jury house for me, because I think unless I win HOH on Sunday, I'm pretty fucked. If they put you and I up together, you'd stay.
My thing is that even if all the trust is broken and what not, the first people to regroup are going to be the ones who are going to prevail on Sunday. For some reason, I don't think the other side (side meaning Monet, Annie and Kristen) were as shaken by yesterday's events. Yeah, you kind of messed up by telling Kathy... But really, that was sloppy gameplay on literally everyone's part. I can find fault in almost anyone.
Well.. they did have the coup, though I don't think any of them knew about it besides Monet. Andrew realized last night that the times I talked to him about a bigger alliance being out there, was a legit concern. I dunno where he/Rachel really stand, but I've always suspected that you/Matt/Rachel/Andrew were fairly tight. I don't know where that leaves me, but I see 5th at best there. Am I thinking too far ahead? Probably. Yeah... I'd like to forget last round ever happened.
Britney... :angry: When we talked about the voting bloc, it was always me/you/Matt/Andrew. I never wanted Rachel to be the vag in the alliance, it was you. When the alliance was me/you/Matt (which was a side deal I guess), that was where my true loyalty stood. I've always thought that if anything, we were the core of that alliance and Matt was with us. Rachel is great, but she isn't aligned with us. What's your plan from here on out? I want to work with you, but I don't know if you want to work with me.
Whoa. That's a lot of info to digest.  Ok first of all, I don't know how serious Ragan was about his "real" alliance with you. He might have sensed that you would be more willing to backdoor Monet than, say, me or Annie, but I know he's been tight with Andrew for ages, and today he sent me a PM cryptically saying that Rachel is targetting me, and he would be as well. He didn't really mention you at all. The second thing is this: part of the reason I elected not to really join in on the backdooring of Monet talks is because I feel like she's essentially easier to manipulate than Ragan or Matt. I mean, look how she kind of wasted her coup on Kathy, when she could have used it to get out Ragan and Matt. It's just an example of how she doesn't really think ahead. But I dunno, Ragan I know has completely shut himself off from me and practically acts like I'm the enemy, and so has Andrew, when I've been nothing but nice to both of them.
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Jul 17 2010, 12:02 AM
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Well Ragan basically told me to take a powder, but Matt is going about this in a more diplomatic manner, and still wants to work with me.
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Not really, it's been pretty quiet around here. Not much is happening. Ragan did kind of tell me that if he won HoH the next round I'd be teh target, along with Monet. That was a little depressing but that's about it.
I hope he didn't say I would do that, becuase I won't. So yeah, I hope he wasn't speaking for me like he's done before. I don't want either of you two out at all. I guess those are just his targets? Who would you target you think?
He didn't exactly tell me he'd target me, he just kind of sent me a PM saying that while he didn't dislike me, he knew we weren't on the same side anymore, and that we were no longer able to work together, or even really be friends. It was kind of depressing.  He's got it in his head that he can't trust me. I at one point even asked him, okay Ragan, maybe we can work together, if you actually have anything to offer me, and he said he was just joking, he had nothing to offer me. I mean I don't know how much clearer it can be that he'd target me if he won HoH.
Yeah, I don't know what he is talking about. I wish I did, sorry. Do you know what side he is even talking about? I'm trying to figure out these sides or whatever but I really don't know what is going on. I didn't know there were sides. He told you he had nothing to offer you? How about not putting you up? I mean, I won't put you up so no worries from her but odd that he said that.
Well he considers me, Annie, and Monet to be one "side," I think he might feel he has Brit in his corner, I don't know, and then you, Andrew, on his side. He still denies having much of a deal with Rachel but admits that he's targeting the other "side" before he targets her. I dunno, he seems to have a lot of hostility towards Monet, and it;s like become guilt by association. Even when I practically said I wanted to work with him still, he brushed me off.
Those sides are such bs haha. I have not heard anyone else even talk about them, I dunno. Is he trying to split the house with no one knowing? I mean I am still really close with you (I think right?) and Annie. I love you guys. And Monet and I still talk a lot. I don't even know what he is talking about haha. I wonder why he wouldn't want to work with you when we've been working together since the beginning.
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Jul 17 2010, 12:04 AM
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I highly doubt Monet will get 8th place. I feel like someway, somehow, she'll win a competition to save herself. That's just how my luck usually turns out, at least.
Using the bathroom with a laptop onmy lap is probably one of the most humiliating things I've ever done. We'll leave it at that.
If that's humiliating then we're equally as pathetic. But my dad watches youtube on his laptop when he uses the bathroom so ...
Annie is on in the afternoon! 
Yeah she is! You know now that everything's coming out in the wash, does Andrew know about the Big 5 alliance (RIP)? He's not returning my PM's anymore. Maybe he felt betrayed? I dunno.
Yeah, he does. I figured since it was over, he might as well know about it. Don't worry about him not returning your PMs though, he isn't returning mine either. He might be in the DR or just... overwhelmed :lol: .
Well Ragan I have to say ... hope your hostility to the Big 5 wasn't because of me. I feel like I've been real nice to you, that we clicked, I really enjoyed talking to you, and if we're kinda no longer in an alliance together, that you still view me as someone you can trust and talk to about anything. Maybe not about backdooring Monet. :lol: But really, I'm having fun playing htis game, and I think you are too, and I hope that last night's dramatics doesn't hurt that relationship.
My anger towards the Big Five wasn't because of you at all - in fact, your safety in this game is why I didn't try to take it out sooner (like during Andrew's HoH). Sure, Annie isn't on much to talk to and Monet sucks, but I like you fine enough As far as our relationship is concerned, I don't really know what to think. I want to imagine that everything is perfect and I would love to go back to being BFFs with you, but I cannot imagine that if you won HoH, you wouldn't nominate me. I feel like because I want Monet gone, you want me gone.
Aww thanks.  But I think it's pretty clear that if I won HoH, I wouldn't put you up. Duh! There's one person in this house I have zero connection with, I really at this point doubt I'll ever be able to connect with her, and you already know who she is. I mean, I don't know what else to say, I know she has a lot of friends, but I'm not clicking with her at all. I also don't think it's fair that I'm being lumped as Monet's bff. Tbh is she my favorite person in this house? No. Did/do I have an alliance with her? Yes. I know we went over this before, but by not event elling me about the plan to backdoor her, you kind of HAD to make me align with her more permanently.
Well, I know that you and Rachel don't exactly get along (apparantly to the point of not even saying her name :lol: ), but who would go up against her? Someone has to do it. You don't have to tell me, because as long as it isn't me, I'm fine I know that you're permaligned with Monet now or whatever, but I wish you would just drop her like a hot pogayto <_< . She can't be that worth it.
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Jul 17 2010, 05:15 AM
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Wow, just wow. These are all extremely epic on so many levels. 
So is the house divided now really? Do you think Ragan would put you up? who do the other half want to see gone the most do you think?
If you did get HoH on sunday, who goes up and why? I know you want Rachel up/out but who do you put next to her?
This game is insane, and it's a pleasure and joy to get to watch you all play such hardcore games. I love it
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Jul 17 2010, 09:33 AM
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Wow, just wow. These are all extremely epic on so many levels.  So is the house divided now really? Do you think Ragan would put you up? who do the other half want to see gone the most do you think? If you did get HoH on sunday, who goes up and why? I know you want Rachel up/out but who do you put next to her? This game is insane, and it's a pleasure and joy to get to watch you all play such hardcore games. I love it
The house is extremely divided. There are still a few people (Matt, Rachel, myself) who I think try to maintain a relationship with everyone, but yeah ... very divided. The upcoming HoH will be so crucial.
The other half wants Monet gone. I think that part of the reasson I joined Monet's team is I feel like she's a weaker player strategically than Ragan, and easily manipulated. She wasted the coup. :rolleyes: Pus as long as Monet's round she'll always be the target.
And if I win HoH, Andrew and Rache are going up.
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