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| The Gathering Storm 2 Discussion Thread | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2011, 06:57 PM (2,632 Views) | |
| The Professor | May 23 2011, 06:57 PM Post #1 |
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TBA. |
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| The Professor | May 24 2011, 05:28 PM Post #2 |
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Can everyone confirm their commitment and their nations please? |
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| Ryeassassin | May 24 2011, 08:06 PM Post #3 |
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Austria but if someone really want to play them i can switch |
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| Dragonknight2 | May 24 2011, 09:48 PM Post #4 |
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Not really liking the restart, but eh, someone had to be the UK. I'd like my craftsmen edited back in too. I really have no idea why people think its a good idea not to use Krisjtan's mod... |
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| Kristjan2 | May 24 2011, 11:03 PM Post #5 |
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If we are re-picking choices, i'm down for Portugal this time.
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| The Professor | May 25 2011, 07:08 AM Post #6 |
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We're NOT restarting a 'second' time this is for bookkeeping; I just want to know whose who. |
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| theebum | May 25 2011, 10:46 AM Post #7 |
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The US! I'll get to work on putting out a diplo thread in a bit.
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| Nitrousoxide | May 25 2011, 11:17 AM Post #8 |
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Greece here. Also there's no Greece flag on the forums. |
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| Comrade_L1berty | May 25 2011, 11:21 AM Post #9 |
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Chile here. |
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| LotosSlayer | May 25 2011, 11:27 AM Post #10 |
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Netherlands. |
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| ssj18vegeta | May 25 2011, 11:51 AM Post #11 |
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JAPs But with the apparent buggy UK-factories-deleted or something it might be a better idea to start over again (maybe with Kristjans mod installed if it's any good). |
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| GrenadierSchube | May 25 2011, 12:01 PM Post #12 |
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Spain, yea some1 aka marauder should edit those craftsman back =P and even if we went with kristjans mod I dont think it changes much....not with 1.4 |
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| Nitrousoxide | May 25 2011, 04:51 PM Post #13 |
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Well, we did have a good 10-15 years where NO ONE could build any factories because all of the machine part factories disappeared at the start of the game in the UK. |
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| GrenadierSchube | May 25 2011, 06:12 PM Post #14 |
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go figure my capitalist could, but i couldnt >.< |
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| The Professor | May 25 2011, 06:51 PM Post #15 |
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Can someone please explain to me a rundown of what actually happened; afaik UKs craftsmen went away as per normal WAD stuff (not enough work, etc). You have 0% taxes so they promote have no factories to work in so demote again? Machine parts arent made in factories in 1836 but by artisans, sometimes artisans stop producing them if something else is more profitable (because machine parts have high inputs). Either way we started a new campaign and lets stick to it, discussing a mod or things like that should've been done then when we were all in TS; restarting essentially means we wasted four hours and I don't like that one bit. Also not having enough machine parts for early game industrialization is WAD; that I got my factories to start building in 1839 means that there was plenty on the market fairly early on, and since I could buy them it means other people clearly lacked prestige; WAD. |
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| GrenadierSchube | May 25 2011, 07:07 PM Post #16 |
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ok then, can we at least get a save edit request up? france needs to transfer vietnam to spain =P |
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| Nitrousoxide | May 25 2011, 08:18 PM Post #17 |
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You were second or third in prestige and so it wasn't until you were done building your first wave of factories that anyone else was even able to build one. That took a good decade or more because the total world supply of machine parts was less than one that whole time. |
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| theebum | May 25 2011, 08:53 PM Post #18 |
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Unless I'm mistaken the UK gets a head start and supplies most of the machine parts bc they start the game with a couple factories of them. If those vanished then it would explain why it took so long for factories to start. Beyond those countries that had the prestige to buy all of the artisen made ones obviously. |
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| Dragonknight2 | May 26 2011, 01:20 AM Post #19 |
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1. After my factories disappeared, my craftsmen immigrated/demoted away yes, but its still a bug. My craftsmen is at 170k or so, which is lower than the 230k I started with ![]() 2. Yes in 36 they aren't made by factories, but thats not when my factories disappeared, it was 1838-39, when I had some machine parts factories up and running. And they were boosting my machine parts production (and world supply), up from around 2-3, to 15 or so, so yes, they did make a difference. 3. Re. TS, it isnt really the best platform for discussing stuff like choosing mods/restarting, because a few people dominate/alot of people don't talk or what not. I know I raised the mod question and didn't really get a response to it. And on the wasting time thing, think about it this way, would you rather sink 20+ hours into the game (ala previous TGS), only to have it be ridiculously unbalanced, or restart earlier and get a far better game overall. 4. The 1839 thing was probably the small bit of time where my Machine parts factories were up and running, before they got deleted. Oh, and Krisjtan's mod changed the Greece decision thing (maybe nitrous would support it now :D)
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| The Professor | May 26 2011, 07:25 AM Post #20 |
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This is vanilla so its not particularly unbalanced, you had 1 bug that affected everyone equally (since the total world supply of machine parts was minimal). As for craftsmen you make as far as I can tell several times the next highest persons income and barely just behind russia in second place. Also you appear to have 6 machine parts factories level 2 or more? I don't think these are too recent. We could edit back the 50k but we're not restarting. |
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| Nitrousoxide | May 26 2011, 08:52 AM Post #21 |
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No, it affected everyone below Russia's prestige equally (in that there were 0 machine parts available thanks to the massive building campaign a Russian player always engages in) Anyone Russia and above in prestige (UK, France, Russia) was largely unaffected by the disappearance of 90% of the world's supply of machine parts. You forget that as Russia you create a demand of THOUSANDS of machine parts when you're engaging in your building spree. With less than ONE available every day you completely lock down the world supply. It's like as if the UK player set their stockpile to max for machine parts on day one to prevent the rest of the world from industrializing for 10-15 years. I'm sure you didn't intend it, but because of the unique bug we got, Russia COMPLETELY shut down the world's industrialization for more than a decade. Also, wasn't it decided that you and me would co-GM because I am the host and you had seniority? |
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| Kristjan2 | May 26 2011, 01:08 PM Post #22 |
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There was indeed an oral agreement over TS that you two would share the direction of the new campaign. So you'll have to figure out a unified position on the status of the game and any edits proposed. |
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| The Professor | May 26 2011, 04:10 PM Post #23 |
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To a degree maybe but it also certainly affected me due to UK's, France's prestige and machine parts demand would've slowed down my own industrialization as well. A question of degree not of kind, I may have been affected less, but I was certainly affected, a resources shortage that I would still be there certainly in a normal game. The problem here is that its fairly difficult to test to see WHEN *most* of the world can finally industrialize in a prebug world vs our current world. Regardless most of us *are* industrializing just fine; this is partly hidden because of how Paradox rebalanced how the Industrial score is calculated but people are for sure managing to finally industrialize even if there was a delay. I don't mind editing a portion of pops to be craftsmen (in a way that doesnt give free extra people of course) but England falling slightly behind relative to others isn't a situation worth restarting over. |
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| Dragonknight2 | May 26 2011, 05:46 PM Post #24 |
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Lol, says the Russia player with #1 industrial score in the 1840s ![]()
I lost more than 50k, I start with 233k craftsmen, and I'm at 170k now, but I did get growth in the decade :X. I think I bottomed at 100k or so, but I can't be sure. |
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| The Professor | May 26 2011, 06:10 PM Post #25 |
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s due to a quirk of the 1.3 patch that has already existed. |
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| Nitrousoxide | May 26 2011, 07:44 PM Post #26 |
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People were not industrializing just fine. If anyone was below Russia in prestige they were completely unable to get any factories to build until you were done with your 100 factory build fest at the start of the game. France and GB would certainly have affected your ability to get machine parts, but you were the absolute bottom. No one who was below you in prestige could get a single machine part until near the end of the session. That's why Russia is number one in industry. Germany, and Austria were completely unable to do anything to modernize. It's part of the reason why Beg dropped to secondary power for a while too as Prussia (although most of that was due to Beg bungling the country). I'm not suggesting we restart for my sake. I've got about the best possible game going as you can have as Greece and the stunted industry growth has allowed me to nearly get great power status with prestige. However that was a very significant bug early on and not everyone was happy given the short notice that the game was restarted on. I would say we put up a vote for restarting this one, and if we vote to restart we should also find out whether people want to play with Kristjan's mod (over the 1.4 patch since you really can't switch midgame from 1.3 to 1.4 given the huge difference it makes in country score). |
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| Comrade_L1berty | May 26 2011, 08:14 PM Post #27 |
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I know im new to this particular game, but i would support a restart if we switch over to kristjan's mod (which is working great in the sunday game) |
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| The Professor | May 26 2011, 08:23 PM Post #28 |
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No restarts. |
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| GrenadierSchube | May 26 2011, 08:24 PM Post #29 |
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NO1 ASKED YOU CHILE (teehee) but in all seriousness krisjtans mod is very VERY stable considering we have had maybe 1 OOS per session the entire time with 11 people...including those silly aussies and that one cheeky english fellow whose computer takes 10 mins to load vic 2 cough cough LUKE cough cough if people are seeming interested in a restart i would also support it, not for what has happened but more for the stability and mod type. plus theres a nifty feature called "conquer for another" in it which is pretty nice |
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| Comrade_L1berty | May 26 2011, 08:32 PM Post #30 |
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NO1 ASKED YOU CHILE (teehee) [/QUOTE] Hey, Chile is a better country than Spain i dunno why you're slandering me :D. |
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I'll get to work on putting out a diplo thread in a bit.


(maybe nitrous would support it now :D)

5:56 PM Jul 10