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Treaty Of London
Topic Started: Jun 14 2011, 09:18 AM (458 Views)
Dragonknight2

Viceroys
Following a re-alignment of the British Empire's foreign and domestic policy objectives, we are now open to a negotiated peace.

These are our terms for peace with the entire Russo-American alliance.

All Indian core territory annexed by the Russo-American alliance is to be returned to the UK.
The USA is to sign a 40 year NAP (longer if willing) with the UK
The Russo-Alliance is to sign a 25 year NAP with the UK


We are open to alterations (India is not negotiable).
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Ryeassassin

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If we accept this it does mean that the UK will no peruse its goal of Annexing New England? Also for any peace treaty to be sign with Austria. the UK has to recognize Austrian control over Egypt and Ethiopia and guarantee that it would interfere in the before mentioned territories.

If those terms are met then Austria sees no reason to continue this war as long as our allies are willing to end the war.

:BIAUS:
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Beg_Birdal
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Having limited navies as compared to UK is not good in my oppinion, especially because now with colonizing and all, navies are the true power. By accepting these offers i think that Russia is accepting the unchalanged UK dominance in the whole world. Thus, I would agree with all of the demands, but not the Naval limitation demand. Why should UK be the only unchallenged dominating power in the world?? Also, these demands make it look like UK won the war, which if far from the true. UK holds 3-5 million Americans hostage, while Russia holds 90+ million Indians.. Accepting these demands also means that UK can go on its crazy conquering spree even stronger than until now. Why should Russia accept to be the defeated nation in this war that they are winning??? Redicules in my opinion.

UK you need to comeup with a much much much much much better offer than this in my opinion.
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theebum
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The President and Congress have no problems with the current plan other than the limit on naval power, we could agree to limit our navy to a number still strong enough to protect our coasts from other European countries.

Even so this type of thing would be hard to regulate and would let the part of the world under the UKs thumb build with unrestricted numbers.

A fleet limited to 200 or 250 ironclads would be enough to ensure both our coasts have a foundation to build upon if any other major European countries become aggressive.
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Ryeassassin

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Thats true. no naval limitations treaties should be made unless it includes all the major powers
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The Professor

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Russia considers this a terrible treaty and all who sign it to also be terrible.
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Beg_Birdal
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The Professor,Jun 14 2011
05:29 PM
Russia considers this a terrible treaty and all who sign it to also be terrible.

As in war, so in peace discussions; Germany will stay faithfully to its Russian allay.

:BIGER2:
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Dragonknight2

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The UK will set aside its naval agreement then. (Not that it really made a difference, given Russia and Austria dont have any naval tech).
Naturally a peace involving the entire alliance would involve no annexations of American territory (or any other territory for that matter, aside from the stolen Indian territory Russia took).

However, It would be impossible to peace out with the USA, and thus lose our only bargaining chip, if Russia and its puppet Germany will continue an aggressive war forever. Although I suppose if the USA, Austria and France (who have shown themselves willing to negotiate) were to stand with Britain on this matter of enforcing a fair, white peace on Russia we would support it.


Edit: We encourage all powers, even Russia's ally's, given their completer rejection of an effective status quo ante bellum peace and a refusal to even negotiate, to call upon Russia to halt its annexationist ambitions in India and end the war.

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Why should Russia accept to be the defeated nation in this war that they are winning???

Taking over India unopposed is hardly 'winning'.
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The Professor

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Dragonknight2,Jun 14 2011
09:37 PM
The UK will set aside its naval agreement then. (Not that it really made a difference, given Russia and Austria dont have any naval tech).
Naturally a peace involving the entire alliance would involve no annexations of American territory (or any other territory for that matter, aside from the stolen Indian territory Russia took).

However, It would be impossible to peace out with the USA, and thus lose our only bargaining chip, if Russia and its puppet Germany will continue an aggressive war forever. Although I suppose if the USA, Austria and France (who have shown themselves willing to negotiate) were to stand with Britain on this matter of enforcing a fair, white peace on Russia we would support it.


Edit: We encourage all powers, even Russia's ally's, given their completer rejection of an effective status quo ante bellum peace and a refusal to even negotiate, to call upon Russia to halt its annexationist ambitions in India and end the war.

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Why should Russia accept to be the defeated nation in this war that they are winning???

Taking over India unopposed is hardly 'winning'.

I believe thats the very definition of winning.
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Ryeassassin

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The Austrian government would encourage all sides to take a minute and think over a negotiated peace. At present this war seems unlikely to end. the British control the sea and the Austo-Russo-German alliance has superior land forces. Neither side has much chance of forcing the other to surrender and if we want this war over we need to find a diplomatic way of settling this

:BIAUS:
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Beg_Birdal
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Ryeassassin,Jun 15 2011
09:07 AM
The Austrian government would encourage all sides to take a minute and think over a negotiated peace.  At present this war seems unlikely to end.  the British control the sea and the Austo-Russo-German alliance has superior land forces.  Neither side has much chance of forcing the other to surrender and if we want this war over we need to find a diplomatic way of settling this

:BIAUS:

That is true. But the British Prime Minister is extremely stubborn to respond to our demands. The world cannot be allowed to be all in red. This is not in interest for any country.

:BIGER2:
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The Professor

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Russia offers the following counter proposal:

UK WP USA
British Alaska to Russian Crown.
Russian Indian Colonies transfered to British Crown
Afghanistan to be Russian "Protectorate".
25 Year NAP between all parties involved.

Signed the Foreign Minister of the Russian Empire.
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Dragonknight2

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Signed :BIENG:
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Beg_Birdal
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Signed :BIGER2:
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theebum
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Signed :BIUSA:

Hopefully this war will be a lesson for all nations and will discourage future wars of the same scale.
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Ryeassassin

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The Austrian government Signs this treaty but still wants the UK government to acknowledge Austrian control of Egypt and Ethiopia.

:BIAUS:
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Leighroy

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Signed :BISCA:
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LotosSlayer

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Signed.

:BINET:
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Magister Equitum

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UK WP USA

:BISIC: What does WP stand for?
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ssj18vegeta
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White peace
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