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General discussions; You all know what this is
Topic Started: Dec 9 2011, 07:55 AM (4,286 Views)
TheGeneral
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With jaflores not being able to participate and damnyankee playing as Portugal, the roster of FTMW4 has been finalised.

Bonzoman and wowwars will act as replacements if needed.

Again i am really sorry we cannot accommodate more players.

Since the roster has been finalised, players are now welcome to open their embassies.
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Metz

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Portugal over Sweden? :P
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TheGeneral
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This is what he chose.
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Lemonsquid
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You guys see those tank sprites for the DLC, they look awesome, should make army composition more recognizable.
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TheGeneral
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There has been a small change in the roster, GM has moved from Persia to Denmark.
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Ryeassassin

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Wat im going to have to deal with the Afgani Bandits all by my self? No!!!! :)
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Guys one thing about formal treaties.

The thread about the treaties should only have in the formal treaty and then 1 post by each of the participants where they will sign the treaty.

Discussion should take place in a separate thread.

Once all the participants have signed it, I will lock it and then it can only change by mutual agreement of all the participants.
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Metz

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Can we play extra time this coming Sunday because most of us probably won't be able to play during Christmas (2nd session)?
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It is difficult to extend the session because for those of us being in Europe, the end time is a bit late.
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You can find in the FRMW3 forum a new thread about an overview of what japan did during the last game.

I would like to enourage people to write about their countries as well, summing up what happened during the last game.
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TheGeneral,Dec 12 2011
12:51 AM
It is difficult to extend the session because for those of us being in Europe, the end time is a bit late.

But its vacation time for probably all of us.
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Metz you are obviously at school.

Some of us are working on Monday morning.
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Linny

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gosh how i wish i could play this (can't cuz im at church at this time). The saturday one is lacking deep diplomacy as in this, as most merely just talk on TS, 90% of it non-game related. lol sigh
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Let's say that two parties are forming an offensive alliance and want the terms to be binding but private? Is there a way to do this?
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This is something i was thinking about. How can we have private treaties.

One easy solution is for people to message the treaty to each other. However this is easily altered/edited.

Another way is to send it to the GM, but obviously this has the danger of people finding out about the treaty.

It would be nice to implement such a thing. However I have no good idea right now as to implement it...

Any ideas guys?
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Naselus

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Such private treaties are not our concern, tbh - you can make a private treaty all you like, but it's a private treaty; why should the other side lose prestige for breaking it? Shady dealings behind closed doors are what they are. You enter into a private treaty at your own risk, as the other player is not going to be punished for breaking it. I'd say that's both historically fair, and makes diplomacy an interesting choice between announcing your intentions to insure them against betrayal, or keeping them secret and having to trust your ally.

As an addition to this, something I was toying with was the idea of deregulated treaty penalties - rather than just having a flat prestige % penalty for breaking a treaty, let the treaty members stipulate it as a part of the treaty itself. So, for example, when I make a peace treaty with Prussia, we agree that the penalty for breaking it is 50% of prestige; meanwhile, I agree to a fixed-term alliance with France with a premature breakage penalty of 5%...

I'd say such a system is pretty much self-policing and self-regulating, and would add an aspect to diplomacy which we might otherwise miss out on. We can even alter the mod slightly so that the prestige penalty in-game is removed completely to do so.
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On one hand the self-regulating prestige penalty about the treaty is interesting.

On the other hand, it will be another point of negotiation that will probably make signing the treaties even more difficult.

it would useful to see what the other players think.
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TheGeneral,Dec 13 2011
03:06 PM
On one hand the self-regulating prestige penalty about the treaty is interesting.

On the other hand, it will be another point of negotiation that will probably make signing the treaties even more difficult.

it would useful to see what the other players think.

what is the difference between a secret treaty and someone who offers an alliance after a war has already began to get more support, which the other side had no clue of.
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Ok the game information thread has been updated. The mod link posted there is the one we are going to use. There are going to be no more changes.

I would like to ask players to install the mod and make sure they have the correct checksum as soon as possible.

On Sunday, we are going to start at 19:00 GMT sharp. I am sorry to say this, but there is not going to be any waiting. We will not wait for people to sort out their installations, get the correct checksum or anything else.

Anyone not ready will simply be picked up at the first rehost.

Everyone has now enough time to prepare his installation. If you have any problems, post here and you will receive help and instructions on how to fix it.
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Ryeassassin

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SO i though we where starting next week (but next week being Christmas that may interfere with the game) but since we are starting this week i need to say i cant make it. Because my absence will completely ruin my Punjab strategy i would like to pick another nation if possible.
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Ryeassassin,Dec 14 2011
05:21 PM
SO i though we where starting next week (but next week being Christmas that may interfere with the game) but since we are starting this week i need to say i cant make it. Because my absence will completely ruin my Punjab strategy i would like to pick another nation if possible.

im gonna be late actually, maybe we can start the new year? because honestly i need that 1st hour to get the ball rolling
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damnyankee
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alright i have the right check sum but everytime i load the game it just keeps crashing ,what am i doing wrong ? :huh:
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damnyankee,Dec 14 2011
06:14 PM
alright i have the right check sum but everytime i load the game it just keeps crashing ,what am i doing wrong ? :huh:

same
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damnyankee,Dec 14 2011
06:14 PM
alright i have the right check sum but everytime i load the game it just keeps crashing ,what am i doing wrong ? :huh:

You failed to read the Build thread:


"IMPORTANT: delete your Victoria 2/map/cache folder before loading the mod. This allows the game to regenerate the map to take into account the addition of Vaduz province and the borders displayed for the province/region reorganization changes. Failure to do so may lead to a CTD! Checksum shown is obtained after rebuilding cache, exiting, and reloading the game."
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Metz

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Private treaties shouldn't really cost prestige points if broken because only the governments of the countries involved know about it.
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Ryeassassin,Dec 14 2011
05:21 PM
SO i though we where starting next week (but next week being Christmas that may interfere with the game) but since we are starting this week i need to say i cant make it. Because my absence will completely ruin my Punjab strategy i would like to pick another nation if possible.

You could play Sweden.
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Yeah guys, you need to delete the contents of the map/cachefolder.

This migh actually change the checksum temporarily, but once you load a game once and restart Vicky, you should get again the same, correct, checksum.

Rye you can choose another nation.

Kind of difficult for you to be Sweden since we also have a Denmark player.

Available options that I can think of at the moment are Persia, Egypt, Belgium.

I would really not like to have just 1 player in S America, so it would be best if you could stick to other parts of the world if possible.
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Lemonsquid,Dec 15 2011
02:44 AM
Ryeassassin,Dec 14 2011
05:21 PM
SO i though we where starting next week (but next week being Christmas that may interfere with the game) but since we are starting this week i need to say i cant make it.  Because my absence will completely ruin my Punjab strategy i would like to pick another nation if possible.

im gonna be late actually, maybe we can start the new year? because honestly i need that 1st hour to get the ball rolling

I am sorry Lemon but waiting for 4 weeks until January 8th is a bit too much.

Maybe you could get a sub or something. bonzoman and wowwars have signed up for subs, try contacting them to see if they can play SP for you on Sunday.
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Andri
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Sad to say I'll miss the first session myself, got a chance to go to sea during my xmas vacation.
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Ryeassassin

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Ill look and see whats available during our second session and decide

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