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Topic Started: Oct 12 2013, 01:55 PM (3,428 Views)
rorlegion
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Seleukos,Nov 18 2013
05:42 PM
... I'm guessing no one wonders why I don't abolish slavery? You actually think I wanted the shit? No, due to reactionary population I cannot do this.

My upper house will not vote on it, I cannot roll into a reform on anything, only backwards.

Unless someone wants to magically edit that in for me, I'm stuck with it. (don't be an ass and say they will overthrow my government by war bullshit to make it so.)

Slavery sucks, it kills the economy, I cannot tax them, and you guys are all pissy about it. I GET IT.

Makes for interesting role play though, especially after the French report came out xD
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Faulty

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Seleukos,Nov 18 2013
05:42 PM
... I'm guessing no one wonders why I don't abolish slavery? You actually think I wanted the shit? No, due to reactionary population I cannot do this.

My upper house will not vote on it, I cannot roll into a reform on anything, only backwards.

Unless someone wants to magically edit that in for me, I'm stuck with it. (don't be an ass and say they will overthrow my government by war bullshit to make it so.)

Slavery sucks, it kills the economy, I cannot tax them, and you guys are all pissy about it. I GET IT.

You did choose to let the Carlists win, which goes hand in hand with all the political stagnation you're talking about.
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am300307
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After much consideration I have decided to resign as the UK. Sorry it took so long to decide, but i was 50/50. I would recommend either Default since he has experience and is a low priority country or Linny as he always wanted to play as a big country in the Friday game. Sorry and good luck.
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SchFerreira
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Sorry to see you go. What brought you to this decision?

EDIT: a good sub would be great, since we still have 5 sessions left (at ~12 years per session).
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LotosSlayer

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am300307,Nov 20 2013
02:11 PM
After much consideration I have decided to resign as the UK. Sorry it took so long to decide, but i was 50/50. I would recommend either Default since he has experience and is a low priority country or Linny as he always wanted to play as a big country in the Friday game. Sorry and good luck.

Next time think twice before asking France to beg you for Dai Nam. If there is a next time, rage quitters don't get GPs. Perhaps it's my fault too, I probably should've made NFing soldiers in India against the rules(or made it a puppet like we originally planned), probably wouldn't have to cut you down to our size(well, not really, you're still the strongest by far).

That's pretty annoying, having a major leave. I'll try to find a suitable UK, if we can't find a UK, obviously we can't continue and will have to restart.
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SchFerreira
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Restarting seems absurd since worst case scenario we can get one the people playing Chile and Peru to play the UK. Hopefully the new UK engages in diplomacy more, I think am's failure to do so is one major reason that caused the war in India.
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Erthel
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I'm having a lot of fun and would not like to restart just because someone lost a war.

I can endure a lost war. More even if I'm still nš1 superpower of the world after it.
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icendoan
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The loss of parts of India is a big hit to the UK, but it doesn't mean that the UK isn't still strong, or can't still later retake it, when France is busy elsewhere.

Certainly, still nobody is challenging British naval supremacy, and it took a while to build up the troops necessary to defeat the UK in India.
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SchFerreira,Nov 20 2013
10:11 PM
Restarting seems absurd since worst case scenario we can get one the people playing Chile and Peru to play the UK. Hopefully the new UK engages in diplomacy more, I think am's failure to do so is one major reason that caused the war in India.

I wouldn't want to play the UK tbh, large countries where everything is handed out on a plate to you like the UK are not fun to play.

Still, there is no reason to quit just because the UK lost a war. You are still ranked no. 1 and seeing as the point of this game is to be ranked as high as possible, you are still "winning" it.
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Otto of England
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I dont think we should restart because one person quit, that sets a bad precedent and he is in a good position IMO if he just talked around he could probably form a coalition against France if he really wanted to and get most of his old land back.
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rorlegion
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If we're all voicing an opinion, I would not like to restart just because one person quit. Hopefully a replacement can be found on such short notice. Maybe someone from the Age of Empire "Sunday" game?



EDIT: Someone recommended this, but perhaps DEFAULT could take over?

I made a post in the Age of Empire general discussion about having someone fill in. I would have made one in the Paradox forums, but I couldn't log in for some reason.

Lotos, I agree, next time British India should be a puppet. It might take a bit of time to create this new nation and move events over so that it can still inherit Indian lands, but it's too big of an exploit that skews the balance of power, and is greatly unrealistic for the UK to rule over that land directly. I believe the greatest mod for Victoria 1 made British India a puppet under the UK to simulate the British East India Company.
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icendoan
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I don't think restarting should be an option, really. The UK is still strong, and I'm happy with the direction the game is going in.

I'm sure we can find another UK.
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Magister Equitum

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Sending this message from a train

Update:
After sending messages to quite a few people, I still have not been able as yet to find a sub for the NGF. :(

(If I am unable to find a sub, just leave NGF as A.I.)

Note:
Surprised to learn that A.M resigned as the U.K. Considering that the game is tomorrow, I'm not sure if that leaves adequate time to (1) find a new U.K (2) for players to form proper diplomatic relations with the new U.K in time for the session.
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LotosSlayer

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I'd like to request either Chile, Japan, Spain move to the UK.

I won't force it, but I've been asking people and haven't been able to find one, and we can't continue without the UK. I don't wanna restart, but we have to if we can't get a UK.
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Magister Equitum

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Rather than making adjustments to the roster the day before the session, I think we should consider postponing the upcoming session until next week.

(To either provide adequate time to find a replacement for the UK from outside or to determine if players should be rotated on the roster.)

Note: at the time of this post it has been less than 24 hours since A.M resigned as the U.K
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philly_boy
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I'd like to keep playing Chile if it is OK :)
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DEFAULT

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rorlegion,Nov 21 2013
01:39 AM
If we're all voicing an opinion, I would not like to restart just because one person quit. Hopefully a replacement can be found on such short notice. Maybe someone from the Age of Empire "Sunday" game?



EDIT: Someone recommended this, but perhaps DEFAULT could take over?

I made a post in the Age of Empire general discussion about having someone fill in. I would have made one in the Paradox forums, but I couldn't log in for some reason.

Lotos, I agree, next time British India should be a puppet. It might take a bit of time to create this new nation and move events over so that it can still inherit Indian lands, but it's too big of an exploit that skews the balance of power, and is greatly unrealistic for the UK to rule over that land directly. I believe the greatest mod for Victoria 1 made British India a puppet under the UK to simulate the British East India Company.

I don't mind taking over as the UK but it's highly unlikely that Lotos would want that to happen for obvious reasons. Although playing Peru has been interesting for a change, when i'm not being cheated, it's a pity I couldn't make the first session or they would be a Great Power by now. On the subject of cheating whats going on with the Arequipa Incident?


LotosSlayer,Nov 17 2013
11:44 AM
I'll make a ruling soon, but I think you're gunna have to give the state back, Chile. If you say you would've beaten Peru, that's hearsay, or whatever the word is for it. Most logical thing so far seems to be to give the state back. You also had a rule infraction before this one, too.

UK - Put your stockpile spending above 50% right when the next session starts. This is your final and only warning.


It's been 4 days, what was the ruling? I can't do any diplomacy unless I know what my country looks like.
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DEFAULT,Nov 21 2013
10:04 AM
rorlegion,Nov 21 2013
01:39 AM
If we're all voicing an opinion, I would not like to restart just because one person quit. Hopefully a replacement can be found on such short notice. Maybe someone from the Age of Empire "Sunday" game?



EDIT: Someone recommended this, but perhaps DEFAULT could take over?

I made a post in the Age of Empire general discussion about having someone fill in. I would have made one in the Paradox forums, but I couldn't log in for some reason.

Lotos, I agree, next time British India should be a puppet. It might take a bit of time to create this new nation and move events over so that it can still inherit Indian lands, but it's too big of an exploit that skews the balance of power, and is greatly unrealistic for the UK to rule over that land directly. I believe the greatest mod for Victoria 1 made British India a puppet under the UK to simulate the British East India Company.

I don't mind taking over as the UK but it's highly unlikely that Lotos would want that to happen for obvious reasons. Although playing Peru has been interesting for a change, when i'm not being cheated, it's a pity I couldn't make the first session or they would be a Great Power by now. On the subject of cheating whats going on with the Arequipa Incident?


LotosSlayer,Nov 17 2013
11:44 AM
I'll make a ruling soon, but I think you're gunna have to give the state back, Chile. If you say you would've beaten Peru, that's hearsay, or whatever the word is for it. Most logical thing so far seems to be to give the state back. You also had a rule infraction before this one, too.

UK - Put your stockpile spending above 50% right when the next session starts. This is your final and only warning.


It's been 4 days, what was the ruling? I can't do any diplomacy unless I know what my country looks like.

Chile has to return the state to you peacefully, asap, via fake war. The prestige you're getting is for losing the war.
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Magister Equitum,Nov 21 2013
09:40 AM
Rather than making adjustments to the roster the day before the session, I think we should consider postponing the upcoming session until next week.

(To either provide adequate time to find a replacement for the UK from outside or to determine if players should be rotated on the roster.)

Note: at the time of this post it has been less than 24 hours since A.M resigned as the U.K

Postponement sounds like the best course, substituting 2 major powers in the same session doesn't seem like a good idea
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Faulty,Nov 21 2013
10:17 AM
Magister Equitum,Nov 21 2013
09:40 AM
Rather than making adjustments to the roster the day before the session, I think we should consider postponing the upcoming session until next week.

(To either provide adequate time to find a replacement for the UK from outside or to determine if players should be rotated on the roster.)

Note: at the time of this post it has been less than 24 hours since A.M resigned as the U.K

Postponement sounds like the best course, substituting 2 major powers in the same session doesn't seem like a good idea

I agree.

A sub has been found for the N.G.F. (Thank you Ironvanguard)

However, considering that:
1. The U.K will need a new player, who will have important diplomacy to do.
2. N.G.F would be a sub
3. We are just now getting a ruling on the Brazil-Peru-Chile dispute (the day before the session)

I think we should consider postponement.

Also, regarding the suggestion that Spain, Chile or Japan, it should perhaps be noted that one is the only ally of the NGF in Latin America and another is a country bordering France to the West, lol. We can all thank our G.M for these objective suggestions as to roster adjustments. Then again, perhaps these proposed revisions have nothing to do with France's interests...

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I don't mind taking over as the UK but it's highly unlikely that Lotos would want that to happen for obvious reasons.


Question: Would Peru transferring to the U.K simultaneously resolve the Brazil-Peru-Chile dispute and give the game a new U.K player?
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SchFerreira
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Peru taking switching to the UK is optimal, as it leaves SA less crowded and Chile has a better chance of becoming relevant. If NGF has a sub, there is no reason to postpone IMHO.
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LotosSlayer

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I can't let DEFAULT be UK, both Magister and DEFAULT know why.

Japan had a late start and Japan messed up, again, I ask Japan or Chile to take one for the team and go UK(but it's fine if you don't want to).
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LotosSlayer,Nov 21 2013
11:38 AM
I can't let DEFAULT be UK, both Magister and DEFAULT know why.


:blink: ?? I have an idea why you won't let him play as the U.K. As for why you can't let him, I have no idea.
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Magister Equitum,Nov 21 2013
02:40 PM
LotosSlayer,Nov 21 2013
11:38 AM
I can't let DEFAULT be UK, both Magister and DEFAULT know why.


:blink: ?? I have an idea why you won't let him play as the U.K. As for why you can't let him, I have no idea.

:D

LotosSlayer,Oct 7 2012
01:35 AM
We applaud the Spanish for their success in the conflict, specifically in the Sudan and the Ethiopian mountains and naval domination. The Spanish clearly had a better understanding of this terrain given they already owned this land, and a huge advantage. While we occupy the majority of these colonies, the recent Spanish divisions sent into the war are clearly nothing the Russian and Swedish armies can hold off without being able to send our own reinforcements.

We are unsure why a bunch of tiny islands in the Pacific were so important to Spain, but we are prepared to offer a white peace. Sure, Russia could just build Ironclads to regain naval domination and land reinforcements, but Russia is currently going through industrialization. We have no time for such a war.

The Russian Federation still claims the islands Spain colonized in the Pacific(Micronesia, Tonga, Fiji states) and hope the Spanish will eventually give them up to Russia, but for now, we are giving up on military attempts to gain these islands.

:BISPA:  :BIRUS:


Maybe the memories are still too painful?
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Seleukos
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Jesus, is that from AOI 4? That's over a year ago..
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LotosSlayer

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DEFAULT,Nov 21 2013
12:11 PM
Magister Equitum,Nov 21 2013
02:40 PM
LotosSlayer,Nov 21 2013
11:38 AM
I can't let DEFAULT be UK, both Magister and DEFAULT know why.


:blink: ?? I have an idea why you won't let him play as the U.K. As for why you can't let him, I have no idea.

:D

If only I had the Steam logs of Magister bitching about DEFAULT ruining the last MP, not doing any diplomacy, not talking, taking other peoples claims in Africa with no discussion, and me bitching about DEFAULT, like him taking part of Argentina as the OE, and Magister fully agreeing with me. I also remember when choosing nations, Magister fully opposing it when I brought up DEFAULT as a potential Austria(as did I).

So, you may keep thinking I'm not letting DEFAULT be UK because you think I "MUST..WIN..", everyone is entitled to their opinion, just know that Magister fully agrees. :P
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Otto of England
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I have never played the UK so I honestly haven't the faintest idea on how to play it. Plus I would be inheriting someone else mess which doesn't sound fun. I suppose I could play the UK if it's absolutely needed too but I would much prefer to stay as Japan.
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LotosSlayer

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There's no "mess" the UK is in. No one dismantled the UK, and if a reasonable UK would really want the freed part of India back, it could surely be negotiated with France. The war wasn't against the UK per say, the war was against the unreasonable UK government, and against the tyranny, claiming everything, dominance it imposed on the world. If the war was against the UK, or to say, for only France's benefit or greed, France would've taken that part of India, with all those soldiers AM was NFing in huge states, for ourselves, rather than freeing it.

Even if you think you wouldn't make a good UK skill-wise, diplomacy is what matters most.
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Magister Equitum,Nov 21 2013
10:34 AM
Question: Would Peru transferring to the U.K simultaneously resolve the Brazil-Peru-Chile dispute and give the game a new U.K player?

Answer: yes.

I don't know what went on in your past games, but as long as DEFAULT obeys the rules, there shouldn't be any problem. If he breaks the rules, Lotos (as GM) can enact penalties.
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Linny

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i can take over UK
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