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Ambassade van Nederland
Topic Started: Oct 21 2013, 02:45 PM (833 Views)
Erthel
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:BIRUS2:

The Communists have spoiled noble's families properties acquired and transfered through generations by God's will. They've also usurped honest men properties and gave them to the slackers and bastards, humiliating also noble and honest men forcing them into servant jobs.

If the king of Netherlands approves this, he is truly a traitor to his kin. However, we still consider such statement a communist propaganda attempt. Of course we are willing to receive Willem as expatriate in St. Petesburg, and our embassy is still open in Amsterdam for him to ask for refuge.

We still think he's a hostage of the communists, and don't expect anything in that direction to happen.
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icendoan
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Erthel,Dec 3 2013
10:18 PM
:BIRUS2:

The Communists have spoiled noble's families properties acquired and transfered through generations by God's will. They've also usurped honest men properties and gave them to the slackers and bastards, humiliating also noble and honest men forcing them into servant jobs.

If the king of Netherlands approves this, he is truly a traitor to his kin. However, we still consider such statement a communist propaganda attempt. Of course we are willing to receive Willem as expatriate in St. Petesburg, and our embassy is still open in Amsterdam for him to ask for refuge.

We still think he's a hostage of the communists, and don't expect anything in that direction to happen.

:BINET:

I'm sure your serfs don't feel the need to praise god at their predicament.

Willem was given a choice, and he took it. We made our case somewhat persuasively at the time. You are perfectly free and, indeed, invited to come and offer him expatriation yourself. He's no hostage, merely working fairly for a fair life, like all folk in the DPRUN.

We hope that despite your continued threats and insults, we can cooperate, if perhaps not see quite eye to eye.

:BINET:
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LotosSlayer

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Napoleon V has read many communist manifestos, it is clearly a delusional, ignorant, misguided idealogy.

My biggest quarrel with it is, somehow communists seem to think all people are "equal", and should be treated as such. That is the biggest load of lies, or flat-out ignorant statements I've heard. It's almost as if Karl Marx had not even once left the confines of his small German town, to see the real world.

How can a Javan be considered equal to a Dutchman? How can a Slavic Serb be considered equal to an Austrian? How can a Congolese hunter gatherer or a Somali sheep herder be considered equal to European royalty?

All you have to use is the power of observation to see that all people are not equal.

French communists want to allow colonial citizens from Algeria, Africa, Indochina to move into the mainland. Have they lost their minds, do the communists not realize want kind of chaos that would cause? Communism is a threat to the nation state, Monarchies, our culture, and our values.

While I do think there are some good aspects of Communism, like eradication of poverty, Communism will result in the opposite of eradication of poverty, it simply doesn't work. Capitalism may be harsh at times, but it's the lesser of all the evils of economics. Communism also infringes on human rights, while people may want to have equal economic opportunity, they also want freedom of speech and the like, and the right to, you know, actually vote. Communism and the one party system goes wholly against that.

I don't know if you're evil, with ill-intent, or just ignorant, either way, you're wrong. If the DPRUN wants to survive another day at the very least, you'd do well to relinquish claims to the Principality of Luxemburg, and not send any money or support to the way of communist rebels around the world.

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philly_boy
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LotosSlayer,Dec 3 2013
11:13 PM
they also want freedom of speech and the like, and the right to, you know, actually vote. Communism and the one party system goes wholly against that.

OOC: certain prominent Russian communist revolutionaries did not oppose democratic communism, Trotsky being the first to come to mind. In a nutshell, he argued that the democratic task of the Bourgeois would transfer to the proletariat when the worker's state is established. Trotsky in particular argued that communism cannot sustain itself without democracy. He fell out of favour with the Soviet elite, and was conveniently assassinated on Stalin's orders. You are thinking of Leninism and Stalinism which are certainly not the "whole story" so to speak.
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SchFerreira
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OOC: Trotskyist ideas are widely denounced by the non-trotskyist vast majority of communists.
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icendoan
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OOC: I'll get to a full, impassioned diatribe for you tomorrow, Lotos. I'm have enormous fun.

Dutch communism is much like the USSR, but hopelessly idealist.

As for Trotsky, his thoughts are by far the most popular options for communism I come across. Stalinism and Maoism tend to have bad historical track records. Marxist-Leninism is certainly not the whole story for communism, and it is always a shame that the two tend to be conflated. Communism, as an ideology, does raise some interesting questions about how and why we structure society in various ways, even if it doesn't answer many of them.
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OOC: Yes, Marxism-Leninism is by far more widespread, but that does not mean that a theory of democratic communism does not exist, nor that Trotskyist state is an impossibility, provided that events unfolded differently. It is perfectly believable for icendoan to come up with a democratic communist system for his Netherlands, he doesn't necessarily have to go with Marxism-Leninism simply because it is more widespread.
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Chairman,

We are interested in seeking a non-aggression pact with your nation. We understand our two peoples have opposing ideas regarding the best and most efficient way to bring prosperity to the poor. However, we are open to socialist and communist ideologies and will interested in having the state take control over economic matters in the future.

In an effort to promote peace and trade between our two countries, we wish to offer a non-aggression pact to the DPRUN.

:BIUSA: :BINET:
1883 Dutch-American Non-Aggression Pact

Terms:
1. The Netherlands and the United States of America will not enter into a state of war with one another.
2. If Dutch or American allies cause war between the Netherlands or the USA, the Netherlands will not engage American forces, and the USA will not engage Dutch forces. Further, the Netherlands will not blockade American ports, and the USA will not blockade Dutch ports.

Penalty:
The penalty for breaking this NAP is a reduction of 75 prestige points for the violator.

[x] :BIUSA: Signed
[] :BINET:
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Greetings to our Dutch comrades!! In an effort to protect and spread our popular revolutionary movements, we wish to enter into a mutual military and defensive alliance. May be both achieve glory and witness the downfall of capitalism worldwide!

Treaty of Amsterdam
1. The PRA (formerly the U.S.) and The DPRUN are under a offensive and defensive alliance and must aid one another if asked to join a war in which one is a party.
2. The PRA and DPRUN may base both army and naval forces in either nation.
3. A non-aggression pact is implied by this treaty.

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icendoan
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Signed, of course.

Workers of the World UNITE!
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:BINET:

I, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and also the Chairman of the DPRUN wish to once again reiterate that it is of no concern nor business of ours what Willem has done, or, aside from our general duties to maintain the cohesion of our Glorious Republic, where exactly he or his family are.

Upon the revolution, Willem was alive and well, and as the Chairman himself delineated, we held no grudge against him, and provided him and his family a small but reasonable abode in Amsterdam, and a job in one of the numerous factories that inhabit the region.

We mourn for Willem, as we mourn for all our Brothers and Comrades, wherever they may be, and whoever they may be.

As one of the reforms we have recently enacted, we grant every family with a husband but without a job, or sadly, without a husband, an allowance to make sure that they are still housed and fed each and every day. I am sure that Emma and Wilhelmina have utilized this fair and appropriate measure, and are free of material worries in this dark hour.

However, we have a very lenient border, and allow our citizens to leave the DPRUN to journey to France or Germany, or farther afield, if they are able to, and likewise upstanding citizens and Comrades within Germany are free to visit and observe the progress we are making in the DPRUN. Hence it should be immediately obvious to the German foreign office that Emma and Wilhelmina, should they wish to, could leave Amsterdam and the DPRUN at the drop of a hat. We don't at present know where Willem chose to make his way in the DPRUN, and thus do not know Emma's present location, but I'm sure we can pass on that they are welcome in Germany.

While the family is abhorrent, as an institution, there is little that replaces the joy experienced when reunited with loved ones.

The Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Amsterdam

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