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| Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo; Russian-Mexican Alliance & United States | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 1 2013, 08:09 PM (439 Views) | |
| rorlegion | Nov 1 2013, 08:09 PM Post #1 |
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Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo The Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic ![]() Invited delegations: * * * Note: although Spain is a member of the Russian-Mexican alliance, it was brought into the war incorrectly and will not participate in the negotiations. Russia has no business interfering with affairs in North America and is only invited to this delegation as a formality. Wheras the U.S. wishes to negotiate a peace between the Russian-Mexican alliance and the United States of America. As of December 1848, the Mexican army has been obliterated and the American armies have Russian armies in Northern Texas on the run. The U.S. believes Russia's overseas war is a drain on the Russian economy, and the attrition costs on Russian armies in North America are lowering Russian soldier POPs such that it may be caught in an awkward position should any European wars erupt. Seeing as Mexico is the aggressor in this war by invading Hawaii and ignoring U.S. warnings, the U.S. requires Mexico to surrender all US-core territory above the Rio Grand and to establish a border along the southern provinces of California, New Mexico, and Arizona, ceding all lands north of this boundary to the United States. Further, the U.S. requires Mexico to release Hawaii as this small nation committed no acts of aggression upon Mexico and is a friend of the U.S. The U.S. is prepared to take Mexico's capital if it does not cede to these demands. The U.S. urges Mexico to accept these demands, lest the Mexican economy crumbles due to the coming American invasion. The U.S. is not barbaric - we do not wish total destruction upon Mexico. We offer to build friendly relations with Mexico should it accept this treaty. The U.S. wishes to see Mexico industrialize and become a trading neighbor and will invest in railroad and industrial infrastructure should Mexico accept. Further, the U.S. will give Mexicans settled in these lands the option of returning to Mexico or accepting U.S. citizenship, gaining full civil and voting rights enjoyed by all U.S. citizens. |
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| LotosSlayer | Nov 2 2013, 02:24 PM Post #2 |
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France is aware we weren't invited, but we have to point out we find this peace deal to be unfair. The French Association for Research & Prosperity reports many of the lands the US is claiming is majority Mexican, not only that, but have settled in large towns or cities already. We must congratulate the US on the comeback victory, truely the US' international prestige will rise after this war, and the US armed forces will be more feared. However, we must state that the town of Sante Fe alone in New Mexico has 10 thousand Mexican settlers, and California has a lot of settlements as well. France propses the USA lowers their wargoals to Hawaii, for colonial ambitions, Nevada-Utah, due to, once again, American illegal immigrants, this time, Mormon migrants, have settled in the area, and the rest of Texas, atleast for this war. New Mexico, Arizona, and California should remain in Mexico. This is not a threat by France, we're simply stating our concern, and we hope the international community does the same.
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| rorlegion | Nov 2 2013, 03:29 PM Post #3 |
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To the French Ambassador: The United States recognizes France's concern, but U.S. expansion westward is inevitable. The U.S. has brought to your awareness on several occasions that we are still a young nation wishing to reach the goal of forming a nation "from sea to shining sea." You are indeed correct many American immigrants have moved westward - but many of our countrymen believe they are on a mission from God. This expansion has been our policy for several decades - it is nothing new. We are a budding nation still seeking our self-identity, which is almost fulfilled. From the original thirteen colonies, additions in the latter end of the 18th century, the Louisiana Purchase, the Oregon Treaty, and now to this Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the U.S. will finally have achieved its goal in the New World. If France has fears of uncontrolled U.S. expansion, be at ease. This Treaty will establish final U.S. boundaries in North America. Once these provinces are under U.S. control, our goal of manifest destiny will be fulfilled and we look forward to lending a helping hand to our neighbor to the south -- Mexico. You speak of several towns that may come under U.S. rule should this treaty go forward. Would they not be better off having freedom and a choice in how to govern themselves? Will these people not prosper under domestic policies encouraging industry and free trade? Further, you speak of fairness. Did France argue fairness when the Dutch annexed Belgium? When Prussia took southern Egypt? When the Italians grabbed Tunis? When even the French arrested lands belonging to Algeria and Sokoto? The U.S. sees no merit in your argument of fairness, and grows concerned of France's interest in American affairs while it turns a cheek to the subjugation of hundreds of thousands of others around the world. The U.S. is on a mission to form these boundaries for our nation. It is inevitable. But France neednot garner international support for intervention in North America - this sort of fearmongering does nothing to boost relations between our countries. Rest assured, we are a nation of peace, and when unwanton agression by a North American nation is thrust upon our friends, as it was here, we will come down on them with the swift hammer of justice. This treaty represents not only a completion of our American destiny, but a clear warning to those wishing aggression on any American nation, North or South: the United States of America will not tolerate aggression toward these budding nations. |
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| Erthel | Nov 2 2013, 06:21 PM Post #4 |
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We would like to remind both USA and the international community that the war is far from over. Yes, the USA has the upper hand right now, but it is far from capable of claiming such a boasted treatise. Russia will not accept this watered piece of paper, and will only accept a negotiated peace after the war has clearly settled. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 2 2013, 06:59 PM Post #5 |
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If the Russian warmonger wishes to waste more lives and resources on a war that advances no Russian interest, he may do so and risk becoming a sick man of Europe. As for Mexico, we are willing to sweeten the deal on the table. Stability in Central America (currently governed by the USCA) is of great concern to the U.S. It appears that the USCA is constantly fighting rebels throughout this region. The U.S. has a garrison of troops stationed there and we do not wish to waste any more American lives or resources fighting these Central American uprisings. Thus, if Mexico accepts this Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and agrees to ally with the U.S. and come under our sphere of influence, the U.S. will sever our alliance and diplomatic ties with the USCA. If Mexico so desires, it can then move to annex the Central American region. This, coupled with an American-funded investment plan for Mexican industrialization should raise your international standing considerably in a short time. Again, this offer only exists if you sign the Treaty of Guadalupe unconditionally - though our delegation will have to draw up an official document for signature first. (ooc: I didn't want you to get bored to death with no way for your nation to expand, so I thought this might help) |
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| Toledo | Nov 5 2013, 08:02 AM Post #6 |
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Mexico accepts Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and is willing to sign it under the exposed conditions. We do not want bloody wars between neighbours, and the offer of industrialization and expansion made by USA is tempting. ˇViva América! |
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| Erthel | Nov 5 2013, 08:12 AM Post #7 |
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After talks with Mexico officials, Russia and Mexico are willing to accept the treaty. Nevertheless, a few terms have to be reviewed and discussed. Here is a draft of the possible peace terms: 1) Russia and Mexico recognice defeat and accept the Guadalupe-Hidalgo border. 2) Hawaii is released as vassal, and the USA are allowed to sphere them [I think this is enough for the future anexation decission?] 3) Mexico enters USA sphere and allies with them. 4) Both Russia and USA compromisse to industrialize Mexico, both with railroads and factories. 5) USA refrains from influencing or allying nations in Northeast Asia, namely Japan, Korea or China and its substates. 6) Russia withdraws any influence from America, except for Alaska. Mexico and Russia are to remain allied until Russian forces are evacuated properly (5 years). 7) Breaking any of the treaty terms will cost 45 prestige to the infractor. [8) The after peace terms are valid for one game session until renewed] Russia will wait for Mexico and USA opinions on the terms. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 5 2013, 02:26 PM Post #8 |
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Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo The Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic This document is the official Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The following are a list of obligations for each party: Russia: 1. Agrees not to sphere or ally with any nation in North or South America without the consent of the U.S.A. 2. Agrees to withdraw the Russian-Mexican alliance by December 1853. 3. Agrees to split investment costs of Mexican industrialization evenly with U.S.A. (OOC: This can be worked out between the three of us in-game). Mexico: 1. Agrees to cede California, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Mexican Texas, and Nevada to the U.S.A. 2. Agrees to free Hawaii. (OOC: I believe the game automatically places Hawaii in USA's sphere in this case). 3. Agrees to withdraw the Russian-Mexican alliance by December 1853. 4. Agrees to ally with the U.S.A. immediately upon truce. 5. Agrees to diligently annex the USCA. United States of America: 1. Agrees not to sphere or ally with any nation in Northeast Asia, notably Japan, Korea, and China, without Russia's consent. 2. Agrees to split investment costs of Mexican industrialization evenly with Russia. (OOC: This can be worked out between the three of us in-game). 3. Agrees to ally with Mexico immediately upon truce. 4. Agrees to sever alliance and diplomatic ties with USCA so that Mexico may annex Central America. The U.S.A. reserves the right to ally with and sphere USCA if a non-Mexican foreign power seeks to sphere or annex USCA territory, but will heed to this treaty if and when such a crisis is dealt with. Notes: 1. Please note: in the event the game mechanics require jingoism to be too high for USA to add the proper wargoals, the USA will end the war with the wargoals it has, but reserves the right to re-declare Mexico to add the remaining wargoals. If this should happen, this is not a formal "declaration of war" against Mexico, it is merely a way to enforce this treaty. In this scenario, Mexico must ally with the U.S.A. after the war ends. 2. Please note: the war must go on for several more months so that USA can add the proper wargoals. It currently has only 1 diplomatic point and the war may take 9 more months before the USA can add all the necessary wargoals. During this time, the USA reserves the right to keep the warscore at 1%, but will not invade more Mexican territory than necessary so as to not burden the Mexican economy. If this is a problem for any party to this treaty, they should reduce spending to avoid debt. 3. A situation MAY NOT occur where Russia calls in Mexico to fight a war and Mexico then calls in USA to fight on the war with Russia. This is technically possible under this treaty, but Mexico and USA should refuse to enter a war on Russia's behalf without a reduction of their prestige. Penalty for Breaking this Treaty: Any party intentionally breaking this treaty will receive a reduction of 75 prestige points. Dishonouring/violating the Mexican-American Alliance will carry the penalty of -20% points of the violator’s prestige. Signed: [x] [x] [x]
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| rorlegion | Nov 5 2013, 02:29 PM Post #9 |
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[x] Signed
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| Erthel | Nov 5 2013, 04:06 PM Post #10 |
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Russia cannot accept the "selling" of Alaska, an integral and important part of the Russian Empire. So, Russia refuses to sign this treaty in its current status. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 5 2013, 04:21 PM Post #11 |
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I will remove that provision from the treaty. However, since that is the case, the U.S. cannot agree not to sphere or ally with Japan or Korea as the U.S. desires more security in the Pacific. Please note that the U.S. desires Alaska for said security in the Pacific. Are you agreeable to striking terms 1 and 2 under Russia, as well as term 1 under U.S.A. in the treaty? |
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| Erthel | Nov 5 2013, 04:32 PM Post #12 |
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Russia refuses to allow USA intervention in northeast Asia. We ask the USA government to reconsider their terms about Japan and Korea, and forget alltogether about Alaska. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 5 2013, 04:37 PM Post #13 |
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The U.S., desiring security in the Pacific, will not accept nonintervention in North Asia. However, I ask again, are you agreeable to striking terms 1 and 2 under Russia, as well as term 1 under U.S.A. in the treaty? As for Alaska, if the Russian government ever has the need for funding, the U.S. is willing to purchase Russian Alaska at any time in the future. Per your request, this is the last time I will mention Alaska. (ooc: If a future war is dragging down your economy, I can offer war subsidies and a lump sum payment for Alaska in the game. Of course the actual transfer of the province and the lump sum payment would happen through an edit.) Edit: After much debate in the Senate, our American congress has agreed to your modification of the treaty - we will withdraw our claim for Alaska, will drop our desire for a non-aggression pact, and will agree to your noninterventionist terms. I have modified the treaty according to your terms and await your signature. |
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| Toledo | Nov 6 2013, 10:35 AM Post #14 |
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[x] Signed |
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| Erthel | Nov 6 2013, 02:35 PM Post #15 |
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Without Mexico will, and Santa Ana declaration of acceptance of Monroe Doctrine, Russia has no further interest in pursuing war against USA. Also, Russia finds the non intervention pact over the Pacific good enough, Alaska being removed from it, and so signs the peace treaty. We hope to normalize relations with USA after all this turmoil. Signed (x) |
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| am300307 | Nov 6 2013, 02:55 PM Post #16 |
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The Queen commends America in their victory. We believe that the alliance between us is unnecessary as America/Mexico are friends. Surely no other European nation would be foolish enough to fight Americans on their own ground. It seems there are more guns than people.
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