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| Conference of Moscow; On the borders in Africa | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 16 2013, 10:59 AM (429 Views) | |
| Erthel | Nov 16 2013, 10:59 AM Post #1 |
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[align=center]Conference of Moscow[/align] [align=center] [/align]Russia would like to host a meeting for the nations with African claims, to get to an agreement on borders and resolve conflicts and disputes in a peaceful maner. Invited Nations: British Empire USA Austria Ottoman Empire France Netherlands Spain Italy Brazil North German Federation Mexico Portugal Russia (host)[align=center] [/align] |
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| DEFAULT | Nov 16 2013, 11:11 AM Post #2 |
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The fact we were not invited is a grave insult and only seeks to undermine the legitimacy of the conference. Such insults will not be easily forgotten. |
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| Erthel | Nov 16 2013, 11:40 AM Post #3 |
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Russia is not aware of any Peru interests in Africa. |
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| al3xytp | Nov 16 2013, 12:15 PM Post #4 |
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Brazil only claim Guinea and Gambia region. We tried to settle the matter with the British, but it seems that they don't understood. Colonisation of Guinea is nearly finished. No other nation claimed this region. Brazil will also seek to acquire Portuguese Guinea and British Gambia. |
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| SchFerreira | Nov 16 2013, 01:24 PM Post #5 |
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![]() Not only is Peru a minor and underdeveloped south american nation with no participation in african colonization, it has also made public imperialistic intentions in the new world, plans that would vulnerate the territorial integrity of sovereign american nations which have in no way aggressed against Peru. Thus, giving Peru a diplomatic platform for its expansionist fanaticism would make no sense and would be a slight against fellow american nations such as Chile. The Kingdom of Italy considers that the USA, Mexico and Brazil have no legitimate claims on Africa, and that their current colonization efforts should be relinquished in favor of the european nation relevant in each territory. The US has imposed a viciously antieuropean doctrine in the americas, and should be given no facilities in extending its grip outside that continent. The criminal Monroe Doctrine has been embraced with perhaps even more fanaticism by Brazil; in fact, the brazilian government at some point stated that "[european countries] still have Africa, Asia and Oceania to fight over", making Brazil's claim of rightful european colonies in Africa particularly astounding. Any claim by Mexico, a pariah country known for its dishonest government and its servile relationship with the US, should not even be considered, and taken away by force if necessary. HM The King of Italy prays that european powers will show a united front on this matter. The people of Africa deserve responsible and civilized protectors, not american rogue states that would only see them as means to an end. |
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| icendoan | Nov 16 2013, 02:08 PM Post #6 |
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The United Netherlands lays claim to Katanga and Zambia only. We don't much care what happens to the rest of it, but if it comes down to us, we would prefer our Friends rather than our Rivals.
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| Faulty | Nov 16 2013, 05:43 PM Post #7 |
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Austria thanks Russia for the peaceful exchange of claims on Oman and Somalia agreed to last session and hopes similar mutually beneficial agreements can be found between participants in the Conference of Moscow. |
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| Otto of England | Nov 17 2013, 09:43 AM Post #8 |
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Japan wishes to offer its services as a neutral mediator for the upcoming conference. |
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| Magister Equitum | Nov 17 2013, 02:45 PM Post #9 |
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![]() The North German Confederation is pleased to send Herr Kauffman to attend the Conference of Moscow. We look forward to much fruitful discussion on the subject of colonial holdings in Africa. The North German Confederation has no overlapping colonial claims with delegations having hitherto arrived in Moscow. Berlin provided The Hague with an assurance that we would respect the claims made by the Netherlands in the Brussels Proclamation. The Ballhausplatz and the Ausärtiges Amt swiftly reached an understanding regarding Dahomey. (Where we freely withdrew our claim in favour of Austria) (Although the British have yet to send a delegation, the Foreign Office and the North German Diplomatic Corps also reached an amicable arrangement through discussion.) |
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| rorlegion | Nov 17 2013, 07:38 PM Post #10 |
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[align=center] USA's Disputed African Claims [/align] Dispute with Spain![]() This dispute is over the "Eastern Mali" territory (#1, above). The U.S. feels it should gain this territory because it already withdrew from West Morocco (#2, above) and Mauritania (#3, above) upon Spain's request. The U.S. did not have to withdraw these two colonial claims, but did so out of respect and fairness. Please note that Spain would not have been able to claim any African territory if it was not able to claim West Morocco or Mauritania. We ask that Spain display the same respect and fairness as the U.S. and withdraw from Eastern Mali. If we cannot come to agreement on this, I will ask for a Russia, as a neutral mediator, to offer its opinion and issue a ruling. Dispute with the Netherlands![]() The U.S. and the Netherlands previously settled an African colonial claim fairly and amicably and we propose the following deal: the U.S. wishes to transfer its North Angola territory to the Netherlands if the Netherlands's transfers its Ghana territory to the U.S. We believe both our colonial holdings alike can benefit from the efficiency of continuity. Dispute with France![]() The U.S. proposed the following deal to France via a private communication: the U.S. will withdraw from Volta (#3, above) if France withdraws from Windward Coast (#1, above). Subsequently, France proposed the following counteroffer to the U.S. via a private communication: the U.S. is to surrender the Ivory Coast (#2, above) if France withdraws from Volta (#3, above) and Windward Coast (#1, above). The U.S., at this Conference of Moscow, wishes to formally decline France's counteroffer and urges France to accept our original offer. France awarded us its colonial possession of Grand Bassam in exchange for help in a war in which several American lives were lost. Since the U.S. took possession of Grand Bassam, we have expanded deeper into the African mainland and invested in rail, military, and naval infrastructure in the Ivory Coast. This territory is vital to the security of our entire African holdings as it is the main port and military base, currently housing ~30,000 troops. Further, we seek to have a contiguous colony in Africa and wish to border our neighbor, Mexico. If we were to accept France's offer and surrender this territory, we will have a much less defensible position and expose our possessions to attack from several more angles. In addition, we would not even have access to our colonial possession in Ghana and your offering of Volta. Again, we urge France to accept our original offer. If we cannot come to an agreement, I will ask Russia, as a neutral mediator, to offer its opinion and issue a ruling. Dispute with the UK![]() In an effort to rebuild positive relations with the UK, the U.S. proposes the following deal: the U.S. will withdraw completely from Western South Africa (Namaqualand and Hereroland). In exchange, the U.S. wishes to take possession of British Ghana and ask that the UK withdraw from Micronesia. We feel this deal is very much in the UK's favor, as the UK is gaining significantly more land and resources. We hope to put our past behind us and move forward to forge a friendship once again. |
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| Seleukos | Nov 17 2013, 09:38 PM Post #11 |
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With the recent statement from the American Imperialist state in the Spanish Embassy, Spain shall not withdraw from Mali, as the Spanish Foreign Office was willing to revoke our claim on the region once a statement could be made, but with death threats to his majesty Juan III we will continue our colonial push in the region. We shall also warn the American bastards to not claim and try to use blackmail to take land from superior powers of Europe (in this case France and Britain) as we can mold a policy in the Concert of Europe to kick those of the West out of Africa. Do not underestimate our diplomatic prowess, and the threat to our king in a personal attack, have now made sure Spain will cut diplomatic ties, and request many on the continent of Europe do the same, as the Americans have no honor or respect for rulers or nations, and then try to take what is rightfully ours. Signed, Spanish Diplomatic Corps |
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| SchFerreira | Nov 17 2013, 10:27 PM Post #12 |
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The US government would do well to remember that The Russian Empire is merely the host of this conference, and has not been granted any arbitrating responsibilities. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 17 2013, 10:30 PM Post #13 |
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As expected, Spanish diplomats are unreasonable in their demands, continuing a decades-long practice. Further, no "death threats" were made against the Spanish king - these are lies propagated by backward Spanish slaveowners and imperialists. To the Spanish delegation, it is you with whom ties should be cut with European powers, as you endorse the terrible and barbaric practice of slavery, against honest Christians no less!!
The Italian delegation is indeed wrong on this account. Russia was nominated and selected as host because it did not hold conflicting territorial claims with any other nation and can be trusted to rule neutrally in these matters. Perhaps the Italian delegation should reflect on why their country was not nominated for such a responsibility. We ask Russia to offer an opinion and ruling regarding the U.S. territorial dispute with Spain. We humbly ask that the Russian mediator rule on the matter at hand, basing the ruling on the fairness the U.S. has shown Spain in its colonial gains in Africa, the potential for the spread of Spanish slavery into Africa, and we ask the mediator not to base his ruling on external factors such as form of government or foreign relations. We will abide by and respect your ruling as the host of this conference, and hope Spain does as well - for if they do not, they mock all of the international community that was invited here this week and do not respect Russian legitimacy as a world power. |
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| icendoan | Nov 17 2013, 11:12 PM Post #14 |
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We are happy to exchange our Ghanian province for a North Angolan one, as soon as that province is as well developed as our Ghanian one. If the American engineers are not at the forefront of their field, then monetary compensation will suffice. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 17 2013, 11:16 PM Post #15 |
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Thank you for accepting our proposal. We are currently developing level one rail, naval, and military infrastructure in our North Angola hold. We would be happy to compensate you monetarily for your infrastructural investments in your Ghana colony - we feel you are in the best position to put forward a reasonable estimate of the cost. |
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| LotosSlayer | Nov 17 2013, 11:22 PM Post #16 |
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France will join the conference. To the US - Our deal depends on Spain giving up Eastern Mali, like we said, so Ghana/Volta WOULD be connected to the sea. We plead with the US to reconsider(if we get Spain to agree to give up Eastern Mali). France also does not appreciate the US making private French diplomatic messages public, it was private for a reason. France also has disputed colonies with the NGF currently that we'd like to discuss.
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| rorlegion | Nov 17 2013, 11:32 PM Post #17 |
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We apologize if we offended the French delegation. It did not appear to us that our communication at this Conference contained sensitive information detrimental to French interests, but we will not disclose any future communication as you wish. It appears Spain is not willing to withdraw from Eastern Mali. We wish only to stop the further spread of slavery, especially so close to Liberia, home to many freed U.S. slaves. However, even if we were to gain Eastern Mali, and take your deal, our colonial holdings would be open to attack from both Spain and Italy with no choke point to fend them off, should they attack - which seems likely due to the decades-long hostility they have shown to U.S. diplomats. |
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| LotosSlayer | Nov 17 2013, 11:55 PM Post #18 |
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Whether you have Ivory Coast or Windward coast affects nothing against Italy/Spain. It doesn't make much of a difference. Again, the US will be getting more prestige and more pops, it's a generous offer. We will ask again, if Spain would give up Eastern Mali, would the US make the deal? It would be really appreciated by the French government.
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| Magister Equitum | Nov 18 2013, 02:34 AM Post #19 |
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![]() The North German Confederation maintains the greatest respect for our Russian hosts. The close relationship between Berlin and St. Petersburg is not simply premised on common interests, but rooted in close family ties. His Imperial Majesty Tsar Alexander II is cousin to our monarch, Wilhelm I. The purpose of this conference, as we understand it, is to hold a meeting of nations to negotiate overlapping territorial claims in Africa. Delegations, by virtue of attendance, did not consent to arbitration by Russia. Of course, states may upon mutual agreement seek the arbitration of a third-party and agree to abide by the final determination. While we have every confidence that our Russian hosts would make fine arbiters, we reiterate our belief that there is no obligation for any state in attendance to consent to arbitration. |
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| Erthel | Nov 18 2013, 07:36 AM Post #20 |
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OOC: All the land tranfers, I think, should be made at the end of next session, to avoid the mess of prestige and infamy otherwise. I'll make an exhaustive list of changes for GM ease. Another option is to make them at the start of the session, and then do an edit and reload, to allow for wars and crisis to arise for that session. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 18 2013, 08:05 AM Post #21 |
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We ask, then, what was the purpose of taking great care in selecting a neutral party to host? (ooc: in the general discussion thread, we talked, albeit a few of us, about the purpose of creating this thread - to settle these claims so that they do not develop into war. We spoke of why a neutral party should be selected. This thread serves no purpose otherwise because disputed claims could merely have been posted on each others' embassies.) |
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| Erthel | Nov 18 2013, 08:19 AM Post #22 |
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Russia will act as moderator, but in no way we can enforce any of Russian advices. We hope for all parties to get to peaceful solutions. |
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| icendoan | Nov 18 2013, 08:21 AM Post #23 |
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OOC: I don't see why it can't just be deferred until such a time it's best for both players. I mean, it's not like the AI is going to DoW you if you go over 25 infamy, because of false wars. If the GM agrees to just keep a mental note that someone might go over 25, and that's fine, then I think we'll all be good. Certainly, there's the question of truces, as well. |
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| rorlegion | Nov 18 2013, 08:26 AM Post #24 |
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Thank you for the clarification, delegation from Russia. We wrote a previous post and will patiently await your opinion:
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| Erthel | Nov 18 2013, 08:54 AM Post #25 |
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We'll wait for a Spanish declaration before giving our opinion. We know negotiations are taking place. |
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| Erthel | Nov 18 2013, 09:35 PM Post #26 |
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While the territorial explanations made by USA seem reasonable, Russia finds incoherent the position of USA with the Monroe Doctrine in the Americas, against colonial powers, and USAs colonial claims over Africa and Asia. So, we consider such claims an effect of the previous alliance with France and the fruitful war against the British. USA is on Africa on behalf of France, and should then discuss borders straight with France, where France has a rightful claim. As France has no claim on Mali, our solution would imply to cede it for Spain, and discuss with France an exit to the sea for the other American concessions. |
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| SchFerreira | Nov 26 2013, 12:15 PM Post #27 |
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The italian delegation wishes to inquire if the USA is prepared to assure [OOC: before friday] its withdrawal from the territories disputed with Spain, in accordance with the russian suggestion, which the american delegation had stated they intended on following. |
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