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Topic Started: Feb 25 2014, 01:46 PM (3,608 Views)
eric292

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oh noes ileonu!! lol...I've been there before!

Its not too much to ask of the wifey for five to six hours of game time on a Saturday though! Make sure she knows this is what you like to do!

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ileonu
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Not even the Bowmaster will save me....
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eric292

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Portugal wants banter!

Do I have to start shit in an embassy to get some drama going on around here!?!?!

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Naveed

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Crud, wont' be able to make it to Saturday's game. Should be fine for the next session though.
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GrenadierSchube

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better find a sub
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Dragonknight2

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Naveed,Apr 17 2014
05:37 AM
Crud, wont' be able to make it to Saturday's game. Should be fine for the next session though.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=....64764171,d.dGI
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eric292

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Naveed,Apr 17 2014
05:37 AM
Crud, wont' be able to make it to Saturday's game. Should be fine for the next session though.

How are you going to miss the single most important session of your nation?

Easter is fucking Sunday, tell your wife that you're doing enough shit for her and that Saturday is YOUR day!

(woahhhh!!!!) lolol

Naveed! Where you been btw? I've been wondering how shit's been going.
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eric292

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Papacy
And finally, as a little extra to those who buy Wealth of Nations, you will now be able to automate cardinal influence, by using a checkbox next to each cardinal. With that checked the game will automatically assign enough influence to selected cardinals to keep your guy ahead in the competition. This is mostly to avoid the busy work of fighting to add +5 here and there to keep France out of the Throne of Peter.

~~~~

Looks like WoN has something you asked for Naveed :)
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GrenadierSchube

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At the moment we have yet to find subs for BB and for Mughals. I am inclined to postpone this session as Mughals are in a major war with the Qing Empire and will ultimately determine the fate of the Asian Dominance question. I also am iffy on making the session this week as well, with 3 projects coming up and quizzes/tests right around the corner it might even be smarter to just wait a week.
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Mark0628

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id be up for not playing on Easter, i mean holiday and all :P
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Naveed

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@Eric, been retardedly busy with work and job hunt.

A postponement sounds nice, I'm going to be away from home this weekend that's why I can't be here.
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eric292

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I am fine with postponing the session.

Holiday weekend afterall.
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GrenadierSchube

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Game is postponed then, we will reconvene next weekend
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Inquiring minds want to know: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Blut_und_Eisen/...?showtopic=2768
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eric292

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This bums me out, but I think its for the best.

Let us make sure that it is only a one week postponment!

See yall soon! Happy Bunny Rabbit day!
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ileonu
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So God's son died only to let us postpone this game.... :blink:

Baby Jesus is crying in heaven right now...
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shampoocat
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Speaking of Baby Jesus... anyone up for some Red Dragon related gameplay tonight?
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GrenadierSchube

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shampoocat,Apr 19 2014
01:12 AM
Speaking of Baby Jesus... anyone up for some Red Dragon related gameplay tonight?

with a traitorous backstabbing maniacal tard dutchman like you?

Nope.
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ileonu
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I think i won't make it this weekend...=(

Not sure if a sub can be found.... there is not much to sub for...=P
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GrenadierSchube

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Alright I can tell a few people are upset over marauder wanting to rejoin the war.

Luke and myself are both biased on this matter, I asked dragon during the game how this should be ruled, he did agree with me that Marauder should not have to abide by any dealings the sub does for him...especially ones he does not agree with.

should he be punished? How would any of you feel is a sub made a deal you did not agree with? no idea, in any case Dragon will have to decide what should be done.
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To be fair it was a "we go easy on you and you stay out of the war" sorta deal, we could have just occupied him for the duration of the war to prevent him from doing anything but fucking up his nation in the process, not to mention makeing it a realy booring session for King.

It would be nice if this gesture of fair play could be returned form you guys.



2 cents
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Dragonknight2

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shampoocat,Apr 28 2014
01:57 AM
To be fair it was a "we go easy on you and you stay out of the war" sorta deal, we could have just occupied him for the duration of the war to prevent him from doing anything but fucking up his nation in the process, not to mention makeing it a realy booring session for King.

It would be nice if this gesture of fair play could be returned form you guys.



2 cents

Actually you cant just mass occupy and troll people, if he surrendered you siege what you want and no more.

I'll talk with King and hopefully make a ruling tomorrow.
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Dragonknight2,Apr 28 2014
03:03 PM
shampoocat,Apr 28 2014
01:57 AM
To be fair it was a "we go easy on you and you stay out of the war" sorta deal, we could have just occupied him for the duration of the war to prevent him from doing anything but fucking up his nation in the process, not to mention makeing it a realy booring session for King.

It would be nice if this gesture of fair play could be returned form you guys.



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Actually you cant just mass occupy and troll people, if he surrendered you siege what you want and no more.

I'll talk with King and hopefully make a ruling tomorrow.

Can´t find that in the rules, always considered that more of a courtesy.
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eric292

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All we can do is live and learn. Two points:

Due to the nature of subbing, and the aspect that this is "just a game" yeah it seems kind of absurd that a Perm would have to adhere to the policies set forth by a sub.

1.)

Don't make peace treaties that do not consider that the player is a substitute! Any diplomacy should be highly aware of this attribute.

Considering that diplomacy is at best a face-value "trust" there cannot be any mechanical in game consequences for breaking a truce.

There are several, and we know them, consequences for breaking a truce made between players.

**BTW** ~ it may not have been noticed but I was actually very interested in hearing what King (Austria) had to adhere too.

I took it upon myself to be that truce cop, had King disobeyed the truce he put forth I would have outed that behavior in a professional and kind manner in any MP game he is currently playing in.

I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt King wasn't going to do that, but I did keep it in mind.

(THANKS FOR SUBBING KING!!!! YOU ROCK!)

2.)

Feelings get hurt, people get butthurt. People get over it.

As humans we all have to grieve when we lose things we do not want to lose.

Point being. DO NOT FUCKING GO EASY ON PEOPLE. JEEZUZ.

Specially the more ruthless of us in the group, I don't care if its a sub, a perm, your old ally, or your friggon grandma playing.

Play to win and don't make kind arrangements expecting the same in return.
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Lukesea

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"Its unfair if he should be bound by things a sub did" well dont be absent then! if you are absent for whatever reason, be it good or bad you are trusting your country in the hands of another person and yes you should abide by what he did.. We could of wrecked his country and chose not to because he offered us a deal, i dont know about you guys but the un-enforceable treaty rules have made this game far less fun diplomatically and just a war every 5 years till their dead or they will come for you. Also i find using the "it was a sub" excuse to excuse you from not adhering to anything is bull, austria was fully occupied by us.. marauder would have surrendered in that instance too.
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Dragonknight2,Apr 28 2014
06:03 AM
shampoocat,Apr 28 2014
01:57 AM
To be fair it was a "we go easy on you and you stay out of the war" sorta deal, we could have just occupied him for the duration of the war to prevent him from doing anything but fucking up his nation in the process, not to mention makeing it a realy booring session for King.

It would be nice if this gesture of fair play could be returned form you guys.



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Actually you cant just mass occupy and troll people, if he surrendered you siege what you want and no more.

I'll talk with King and hopefully make a ruling tomorrow.

This is really inconsistent, then.

What is stopping someone from temporarily surrendering in a war to get the occupation to stop, as a surrender means that terms must be sent... Then proceeding to re enter the war when it is convenient?

Highly exploitable.

Gren has said that Shampoo broke the terms of the treaty, but lemme point a few things out:

The terms were that neither side would give military access. This term was dependent on Austria giving neither side access. This was a term dependent on AUSTRIA'S actions.

It isn't our fault he got embroiled in a PU and we were able to walk through him. After this wa the case, I told King that he was free to grant Prussia access and it was no big deal.

We haven't broken our treaty terms whatsoever.

If you have a sub on your nation, you have no right to complain regarding the actions of the sub. By having a sub, you grant that sub your powers. If I had a sub and he attacked Brandenburg, I would have to deal with the consequences. In a similar way, if a sub makes a treaty then it is reasonable that these actions be followed.

Complaining about the actions of a sub and trying to invalidate them is ludicrous. Being able to peace out in a war by surrendering and then coming back in is even worse - We could be accused of nation destroying by keeping Austria occupied, and its a common rule that surrender = offer terms... I can link several games on the Paradox forums where this is the case.

The saddest thing of all is that your persistent clinging to Prussia and your never ending dedication to fighting me, Marauder, has gained you nothing. Comrade throws you scraps from Brandenburg every war. You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy by lying to me. By focusing on fighting me all the time, you have allowed a France that will eventually be Revolutionary to mindlessly blob on your doorstep without doing anything. If you "win" this
war, it'll be pyrrhic at best - We'll just be back. A victory would prove that the coalition that has been assembled is even more valid; if it wasn't, you would've lost.

Perhaps you should consider your nation first above Comrade's... But that's hardly the point. If you did, you would realize that I'm far from being your natural rival, and that fighting me is a waste of your time.

Also, would like to point out: Comrade actually broke the rules. Brandenburg was under AI protection due to Goro's absence. Technically, his DOW on BB (which I got a call to arms for) was breaking the rules. No big deal, but if we are going to nitpick treaty terms than I can nitpick game rules...
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GrenadierSchube

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TornadoWatch,Apr 28 2014
09:27 AM
Dragonknight2,Apr 28 2014
06:03 AM
shampoocat,Apr 28 2014
01:57 AM
To be fair it was a "we go easy on you and you stay out of the war" sorta deal, we could have just occupied him for the duration of the war to prevent him from doing anything but fucking up his nation in the process, not to mention makeing it a realy booring session for King.

It would be nice if this gesture of fair play could be returned form you guys.



2 cents

Actually you cant just mass occupy and troll people, if he surrendered you siege what you want and no more.

I'll talk with King and hopefully make a ruling tomorrow.

This is really inconsistent, then.

What is stopping someone from temporarily surrendering in a war to get the occupation to stop, as a surrender means that terms must be sent... Then proceeding to re enter the war when it is convenient?

Highly exploitable.

Gren has said that Shampoo broke the terms of the treaty, but lemme point a few things out:

The terms were that neither side would give military access. This term was dependent on Austria giving neither side access. This was a term dependent on AUSTRIA'S actions.

It isn't our fault he got embroiled in a PU and we were able to walk through him. After this wa the case, I told King that he was free to grant Prussia access and it was no big deal.

We haven't broken our treaty terms whatsoever.

If you have a sub on your nation, you have no right to complain regarding the actions of the sub. By having a sub, you grant that sub your powers. If I had a sub and he attacked Brandenburg, I would have to deal with the consequences. In a similar way, if a sub makes a treaty then it is reasonable that these actions be followed.

Complaining about the actions of a sub and trying to invalidate them is ludicrous. Being able to peace out in a war by surrendering and then coming back in is even worse - We could be accused of nation destroying by keeping Austria occupied, and its a common rule that surrender = offer terms... I can link several games on the Paradox forums where this is the case.

The saddest thing of all is that your persistent clinging to Prussia and your never ending dedication to fighting me, Marauder, has gained you nothing. Comrade throws you scraps from Brandenburg every war. You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy by lying to me. By focusing on fighting me all the time, you have allowed a France that will eventually be Revolutionary to mindlessly blob on your doorstep without doing anything. If you "win" this
war, it'll be pyrrhic at best - We'll just be back. A victory would prove that the coalition that has been assembled is even more valid; if it wasn't, you would've lost.

Perhaps you should consider your nation first above Comrade's... But that's hardly the point. If you did, you would realize that I'm far from being your natural rival, and that fighting me is a waste of your time.

Also, would like to point out: Comrade actually broke the rules. Brandenburg was under AI protection due to Goro's absence. Technically, his DOW on BB (which I got a call to arms for) was breaking the rules. No big deal, but if we are going to nitpick treaty terms than I can nitpick game rules...

should take a look at the new pact just signed before you start with more threats….

>.>
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TornadoWatch
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I don't get Luke sometimes.

We agreed that NAP's aren't enforceable by GM's, anyway.
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GrenadierSchube

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both players asked me to enforce it, i don't see a problem doing that. no1 else has come forward to asking to enforce their treaties this is the first one.
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Mutually agreed upon treaty with Austria ----> Not enforceable

Mutually agreed upon treaty with Prussia and Ottos ----> Enforceable

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