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Cortes de Castilla la Vieja; Toledo
Topic Started: Feb 28 2014, 10:59 AM (838 Views)
eric292

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TornadoWatch,Mar 24 2014
12:56 PM
Kind of a

Hehehe


*edit* yeah I don't know. It'll be tough for Spain now with many enemies...and a country in turmoil.

Maybe take a resort vacation to Cuba, Spain; to figure out life and stuff.
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Dragonknight2

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Lukesea,Mar 24 2014
11:45 AM
You and france want to ally poland? well i was backing away from sweden and poland... guess its time to reinforce my alliances with sweden and burgundy after all

Guess its time to form an even bigger troll coalition to destroy the evil Turk;

The Khan Rises in the East
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GrenadierSchube

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Dragonknight2,Mar 25 2014
01:45 AM
Lukesea,Mar 24 2014
11:45 AM
You and france want to ally poland? well i was backing away from sweden and poland... guess its time to reinforce my alliances with sweden and burgundy after all

Guess its time to form an even bigger troll coalition to destroy the evil Turk;

The Khan Rises in the East

yea that khan with lv 7 tech and lv 1 units.


so scary
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Dragonknight2

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GrenadierSchube,Mar 25 2014
05:30 AM
Dragonknight2,Mar 25 2014
01:45 AM
Lukesea,Mar 24 2014
11:45 AM
You and france want to ally poland? well i was backing away from sweden and poland... guess its time to reinforce my alliances with sweden and burgundy after all

Guess its time to form an even bigger troll coalition to destroy the evil Turk;

The Khan Rises in the East

yea that khan with lv 7 tech and lv 1 units.


so scary

Khan Army>British Army.
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shampoocat
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7c

There i did it....
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ileonu
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Not sure why everyone hate so much poor Spain.... anyway we expect to die fighting as any true nation whos proud of itself...
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ileonu,Mar 29 2014
09:40 PM
Not sure why everyone hate so much poor Spain.... anyway we expect to die fighting as any true nation whos proud of itself...

You know why Portugal and United Kingdom hate you.

no idea about the Muslims though
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eric292,May 6 2014
12:08 PM
I know I feel bad for discussing in Mughuls, but this is where it happened.

I think its funny in the same sentence you claim the Portuguese king needs a memory flush that you cannot recall how many wars we waged on you.

It was two.

One immediately after you betrayed me, backed by my good friend England

One immediately after you betrayed England, backed by his good friend me.

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And you know, think of it this way Spain.

You speak so much about me being a pawn? You're the one who used me as a pawn, you're going to die in fire Spain.

How?

Because, you used me to get YOUR way in a conflict between France and England.  You were using ME as that pawn.

If you did not want me to be involved in the conflict, you should have spoken to me the moment Gren invited me to the war.

Gren invited me to the war, and I waited at least ten minutes before deciding to go in.

So then I join the war, and O LOOK, MY ALLY LET MY ENEMY THROUGH HIS LANDS.

You were treacherous, like you had that planned from the start.

So don't tell me that England, who has been completely honest with me this entire time was using me.

YOU WERE.


(Again, ileonu, LOL just roleplaying here.  <3 :)

Also sorry to Naveed for shedding blood on his very beautiful embassy)


To you and your friend England you should add Morocco, Ottomans and Newfoundland... fair fight isn't?

About giving MA to France to attack you... and again.. as i told you several times...

I thought it was totally unfair to see England calling for a GM enforced peace (maybe i was wrong and it was the right call, but at that moment it looked that way to me) when it was so easy for France to end the war with me giving him military access OR with him attacking me, the last option would probably ended with France dying since probably Burgundy would have attacked him...

When i say England used you it's because he forced me to pick sides... either i backed England making France my enemy even more (i fought a couple of wars defending Burgundy) or i backed France (who i saw as one of my long term ally, and the biggest one)...

Helping England would have given him the edge even more... he already was powerful and after all what happened he was even more ahead... half of Europe was needed to defeat him...

Probably my biggest mistake was not to communicate to you what i was doing...

You losing those 400 when France sold you back your province was unfair... the war ended in a white peace as agreed between Gren and Marquis, and France selling it to you for 400 was not right...

That's why i don't accept you calling me traitor...
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ileonu
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"Liar" and "traitor" shouldn't be used so lightly....
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eric292

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I never called you a liar.

At least I do not recall doing as such.

Traitor yes, liar no.

**You had several other avenues aside from the one you chose below.

In my embassy it is blatant as day, and per our talks, I was to be your little brother, a game lasting brethren. Our friendship would transcend all other, aside from my promise to you and to England that I would not get in the middle of that feud.

I would (have) never, not in a million years, make some deal with a non-Iberian entity, that would hurt you. I don't care what the fucking reason.

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Like you call out below, you at least admit to the first critical mistake of not discussing the situation with me.

((Of course, hind-sight is always 20/20 vision! heh.))

Also, if you were so concerned with that balance of power you should have brought it to my attention during or before the war.

I would have of course assured you of my involvement and would have been like "relax, I'm just taking some islands, england is killing his navy".

If you would have pressed me hard, I would have folded and left the war.

But that never happened. You told me "Good Luck!"

And then as you call out:

When France pressured you; you should have come to me, or me and England with that.

France threatening you was a CB for you to even get involved on our side and take some power from him. I understand but disagree that you felt the status quo was the best choice.

But had you come to me with that pressure, think about how different our relationship would have been Spain!

Even if you ENDED UP DOING IT ANYWAY, had you at least approached me, then things would have been different!!!

So you know what, you are a liar. Because we were brothers.

And what you did is known as "Withholding Information" which is of course a form of lying.

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I dont give two poops about your "theory crafting of the balance of power"

That is your theory, and opinion.

But run through the situation again in your mind. Think about how you hurt your brother. Don't you feel any guilt at doing that? Think about if the shoes were reversed? How would you have felt?

FOCUS ON THAT EMOTION. NOT YOUR JUSTIFICATION.

IF A HUMAN MUST JUSTIFY THEY'RE BEHAVIOR, 99% OF THE TIME THAT BEHAVIOR IS BAD (because you're trying to justify it, duh!)
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ileonu
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What did you lose??

May i ask?

Edit: NVM we will never agree...
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eric292

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Oh I agree ileonu,

This is petty. This is dumb.

This is now far in the past.

But you broke my trust. Forget what I stood to gain, or ended up losing.

Because in the end, I got my justice against you. I got it real good.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think it can be summed up with:

**How would you have felt if you were in my shoes? hmm?

***We forever disagree that it should have never happened in the first place

****I did not lose much from what you did, nothing infact...what 400? That's nothing.

*****I gained so much from what you did, and your other mistake in Mexico

******Bucking the trend of what was presented to me, I attempted to reconcile with you,

a.) I was the only one who attempted any deals
b.) My generous offer was laughed at

*******Now we stand on the brink of a total war; considering you have no where else to be aggressive but Iberia.

*shrug* so be it I suppose ~ but I am always available to discuss and come to a meaningful reconciliation.

I have presented fresh arguments, clear complaints and what I feel is very logical debate.
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Lukesea

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The ottoman empire stands by its friend in iberia
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eric292

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Which friend is that?

We're all friends
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