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The Congress of Stockholm
Topic Started: May 6 2014, 10:32 AM (721 Views)
TornadoWatch
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To the Kings and Princes of Europe, ordained by God, rightful rulers of their respective realms, as well as the Grand Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, a friend of Sweden and ally for centuries,

Following the Great Northern War, the time has come to settle the Prussian question - It is obvious that the Black Eagle is unable to function after its fall. Reports of usurpers attempting to seize the throne, civil war, and even rumors of radical liberals attempting to institute dangerous Republican governments - This is the news from Prussia.

It is obvious that Prussia has become unstable, and allowing the currently standing regime to collapse will severely destabilize the entire region. Thusly, the following countries are invited personally by the Emperor and King of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, Czar of Russia, Duke of Finland and Livonia, to send dignitaries to discuss the issue in the city of Stockholm.

The Margraviate of Brandenburg
The Ottoman Empire
The Archduchy of Austria

In addition, the following countries are also invited to come due to their outstanding relations and contributions to the Swedish Empire:

The Kingdom of France
The Mughal Empire

It is also appropriate that the British may come if they wish, due to their ties to Prussia and to repair Swedo British relations.
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goro

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The king of brandenburg doesn't agree with this map.Lots of land goes to austria for no reason.If it is to avoid unrest prussians are closer to saxons than to austrians.With that logic brandenburg should get land as well.
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GrenadierSchube

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The Austrians should be getting the majority, as they have stayed loyal and fought with the Prussians the entire game, as BB has been back and forth between his loyalties. But the king of BB is right and deserves a portion.

Removed because of super secret cd key
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eric292

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Roberto, the Portuguese spy, sneaks out of the congress with guile.

"I HAVE IT AT LAST" he exclaims

"what, the partition map?"

NO!

"England's super secret EU IV product key. With it we can unlock untold riches!!!!"
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GrenadierSchube

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eric292,May 6 2014
02:00 PM
Roberto, the Portuguese spy, sneaks out of the congress with guile.

"I HAVE IT AT LAST" he exclaims

"what, the partition map?"

NO!

"England's super secret EU IV product key. With it we can unlock untold riches!!!!"

(OOC: ugh if I cant play eu4 in the coming weeks because of these photos….)
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eric292

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Awww come on, I was just kidding around! of course I didn't write it down or w/e.

And 100% doubt anyone can do anything with it. just being cheeky
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TornadoWatch
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millions of hours in photoshop
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Lukesea

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Let us see a provisional partition map! The swedish should be recieving little or no land having recently taken all of northern prussia.. some provinces also should go to brandenburg for no reason other than pity.

Finally the sultan wishes that the majority be split equally between the glorious nation of austria and the Ottoman Empire
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TornadoWatch
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Sweden sees little to no reason for Austria to be given much aside from some of western Prussia, but supports giant portions being given to Brandenburg and the Ottomans.

Swedish ambitions go no further south than Kiev.
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GrenadierSchube

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The sultan has no claims on having the majority portion of prussia….
If anything they should adhere to their agreement with coastal provinces along the black sea.

They are neither an accepted culture NOR the same religion. If anything the majority should go to Brandenburg and Austria, as they both have accepted prussia as a culture and are protestant.

Austria is also the only true and loyal friend to the now dead prussian king, the rest have been at constant war or betrayed him at one point.
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TornadoWatch
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To summarize opinions:

Sweden - Wishes for an even split between Sweden, Brandenburg, and the Ottoman Empire, with the Austrians being given some.

Britain - Supports land being given mostly to Austria and Brandenburg, with little going to Sweden and the Ottomans

Ottoman Empire - Supports land being given to themselves and Austria, with some scraps going to Brandenburg and Sweden.

It seems the Congress is divided, input from the French would be wonderful, whoever they may be.
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GrenadierSchube

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The British offer the following map, we based the borders off of current nation size and tax base.

The nations who should be receiving the most of Prussian land are protestants, not Muslims. The King of England believes that Christians should be ruled by Christians, but the sultan does have a strong claim on the black sea and the Balkans, which should be returned to said party.

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Lukesea

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I can see why you believe your allies should get the lions share.. but lets not forget they were defeated in battle.. and no-one is rewarded for defeat.

Again i did not demand for a majority i offered a fair split with austria.

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TornadoWatch
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Sweden finds itself supporting the British plan.

The only point on which we disagree is the amount of land being given to Austria. If we are basing this partition on tax income, then Austria certainly should not receive so much, given their riches.

We propose the following amendments:

Kiev and Poltava to Sweden.
Krakow and the province west of it to Brandenburg
Several southern provinces to Ottomans

We were originally in favor of a plan that gave most of the highlighted Austrian land to out Turkish friends, but after seeing how the Ottomans wish to take so much land that Sweden have ambitions on, we are mildly disappointed. We still support such a plan, but do not want to upset our British friends and are thusly willing to make compromises.
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Naveed

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Lukesea,May 7 2014
03:58 AM
I can see why you believe your allies should get the lions share.. but lets not forget they were defeated in battle.. and no-one is rewarded for defeat.

Again i did not demand for a majority i offered a fair split with austria.

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The elusive and mythical Gerrymander.

The Mughals propose that this looks like a fair deal except these changes. All land earmarked for Austria shall go to the OE except Ratibor, Krakow, Zemplen, Maramaros, Maros, and Hunyad.
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Basically, the land that Sweden wants should be given to the Swedes, and most of Austria's claims be given to our Ottoman friends.

The map proposed by the Mughals, while certainly respectable, gives the Ottomans more. They are already taking our claims.
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Lukesea

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I cant say im surprised that sweden is using his new found allies to suddenly press strong claims on another large share of the prussian spoils.. not like he hasnt gotten anything already...

(you can talk on here but you arent on steam!)
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We're only pressing our legitimate claims.

I wouldn't worry about it, goyim.

[[Ill be home in a few hours. Like, five. Posting from phone.]]
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GrenadierSchube

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The british are not surprised that the ottomans and mughals are trying to convert and kidnap more Christians to supplement their population.

The previous war has NOTHING to do with the current "partition" of Prussia, we are simply saving the country from chaos and civil war. Nations that have the right religion should be given the majority share, Austria and Brandenburg have Prussian as an accepted culture. Christians should be ruled by christians.

With Kiev being a 17 base tax province we believe that it should go to Brandenburg, the poorest and smallest nation in this partition.

Every other nation is large and powerful, and do not need such large partitions of land
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Lukesea

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The ottoman empire will make a christian safe zone in its new lands Where all christians in the empire can gather and worship freely. We will even escort them there ourselves for their own protection!

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Sweden would like to note that Prussian is only an accepted culture in Brandenburg and Sweden

It is NOT accepted in Austria.
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GrenadierSchube

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TornadoWatch,May 7 2014
07:38 AM
Sweden would like to note that Prussian is only an accepted culture in Brandenburg and Sweden

It is NOT accepted in Austria.

same culture group (Germanic)

may not be accepted in Austria, but they are the only ally and true friend of Prussia.

and sweden you already got 1/3rd of his country….dont be greedy.
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Mark0628

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All USA has to say is we are insulted we were not invited to this conference, Sweden shall rue this day.
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Lukesea

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The ottomans would like to invite the U.S.A to the conference under the guise of being an ottoman advisor due to their knowledge of western ways and thinking
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GrenadierSchube

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The United Kingdom offers once more a compromising map

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The ottoman zone is slightly expanded, as is the swedish zone.

Brandenburg still retains a large portion, and Austria recieves a generous portion for being the only true friend of the Prussians here at this council.
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Expanded? Certainly not.

Not only has Swedish claims been given to the Ottomans, but even MORE has been given to Austria - Including Kiev, which was taken from Brandenburg.

Krakow and Kiev to Austria? Inconceivable.

Sweden supports the map that Britain presented earlier and thinks it is the best out of these options.
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Naveed

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There's that ugly gerrymander again.
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GrenadierSchube

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Then UK refers to the original model if sweden supports it, i am sure Brandenburg will support it as well. That is 2 of the major parties involved, I am sure Austria will agree also with the map once their diplomat is located….a majority will be consented and signed upon.

The only difference is 3 provinces go to Austria from the original swedish zone, as sweden has already taken 1/3rd of the great nation of prussia in a previous war should not be entitled to too much land gain.

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Mark0628

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His most humble Ottoman adviser supports a larger Austria and a smaller Sweden.

:BITUR: :BIUSA: :BITUR:
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Lukesea

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How dare the British ambassador present a map like this! Intentionally making the austrian land appear to be a penis inserting itself into the rectum of swedish and ottoman lands... it is ironic as that is the exact same thing as what the british are attempting to do here top the ottomans.
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