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Topic Started: Aug 18 2014, 11:01 PM (4,484 Views)
eidur

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SchFerreira
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So I take it that we're starting on September 5th at the earliest?

Do we know how Brazil and Portugal will be working?
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Claudius8110
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Just wanted to check in and let everyone know that signups will be very soon. Eidur and I have been talking and to not fear, we are going to top this last campaign.

Mark my words.
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Slayzer
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I got one important question, what's gonna happen with Japan?(mod-wise) Are there gonna be some changes?
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Otto of England
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Claudius8110,Aug 19 2014
04:59 PM
Just wanted to check in and let everyone know that signups will be very soon. Eidur and I have been talking and to not fear, we are going to top this last campaign.

Mark my words.

Brazil is going to be #7 gp?

Or or or is Otto going to take an equally shitty country and make it #7 gp?

Find out on the next episode of Otto plays Victoria 2
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eidur

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Slayzer,Aug 20 2014
12:13 AM
I got one important question, what's gonna happen with Japan?(mod-wise) Are there gonna be some changes?

I didn't really get to modding yet but I dont think so, I fixed uncivs keeping the reform techs after westernizing for PUIR mod for kristjan and It'll be implemented here as well.
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I don't really like that westernization takes an absolute minimum of 20 years because of limitations on the speed of reform. Then again, I'm not signing up for an unciv.
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slowzo

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Acutally its possible to westernise much faster than 20 years, im confused where you got this from.
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slowzo,Aug 20 2014
08:05 AM
Acutally its possible to westernise much faster than 20 years, im confused where you got this from.

My bad, forget it. I Didn't pay attention to differences between mods(was talking about Age of Empire one).
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Otto of England,Aug 19 2014
10:07 PM
Claudius8110,Aug 19 2014
04:59 PM
Just wanted to check in and let everyone know that signups will be very soon.  Eidur and I have been talking and to not fear, we are going to top this last campaign.

Mark my words.

Brazil is going to be #7 gp?

Or or or is Otto going to take an equally shitty country and make it #7 gp?

Find out on the next episode of Otto plays Victoria 2

What are you talking about? Brazil is a strong nation, as was Austria-Hungary.

Get Sikkim or Jan Mayen to #7, and I'll be impressed.
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icendoan,Aug 20 2014
01:24 PM
Otto of England,Aug 19 2014
10:07 PM
Claudius8110,Aug 19 2014
04:59 PM
Just wanted to check in and let everyone know that signups will be very soon.  Eidur and I have been talking and to not fear, we are going to top this last campaign.

Mark my words.

Brazil is going to be #7 gp?

Or or or is Otto going to take an equally shitty country and make it #7 gp?

Find out on the next episode of Otto plays Victoria 2

What are you talking about? Brazil is a strong nation, as was Austria-Hungary.

Get Sikkim or Jan Mayen to #7, and I'll be impressed.

No Brazil is a shitty county as it has low pop and poor resources, Jan Mayen is a god country, as it has no pop and no resources. lol. This is my classification.
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Yenzen
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Brazil, like Mexico, is a fairly decent nation in itself that can reach GP status, if it utterly disregards internal development in favor of cultural prestige whoring.
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eidur

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Bam, shots fired. What say you Otto? :ph43r:
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Otto of England
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Yenzen,Aug 20 2014
05:37 PM
Brazil, like Mexico, is a fairly decent nation in itself that can reach GP status, if it utterly disregards internal development in favor of cultural prestige whoring.

I believe it was my industry score+military that GP'd me not prestige whoring.

I also consider Mexico as a superior nation for score as you have a better industrial resources so that if you get enough immigrants you should have a good score. This game as Brazil I just managed to gain a tonne of immigrants giving me a large population for industrializing and made 35% or so of everyone into factory workers.

Anyways, I've never seen a Brazil GP so I feel I have bragging right's until someone takes a worse country and gps or takes a same tier country and gets a higher score. If this has already happened, I take back the bragging rights but, damn I can be proud if I want :P.
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Otto, you were also allowed to annex Portugal. Rarely does Brazil get that privilege.
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SchFerreira,Aug 20 2014
09:49 PM
Otto, you were also allowed to annex Portugal. Rarely does Brazil get that privilege.

That was diplomacy :P If other Brazils diplo'd hard enough I bet they could.

(On a serious note, that was helpful but, I think I might have had a chance at GPing anyways if I just build more dreadnoughts.)
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Anyways, I've never seen a Brazil GP so I feel I have bragging right's until someone takes a worse country and gps or takes a same tier country and gets a higher score. If this has already happened, I take back the bragging rights but, damn I can be proud if I want :P.


http://www10.pic-upload.de/23.06.13/zgpjlrrgow1z.jpg

Does this count? :D
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Otto of England,Aug 20 2014
05:10 PM
I believe it was my industry score+military that GP'd me not prestige whoring.

I also consider Mexico as a superior nation for score as you have a better industrial resources so that if you get enough immigrants you should have a good score. This game as Brazil I just managed to gain a tonne of immigrants giving me a large population for industrializing and made 35% or so of everyone into factory workers.

Anyways, I've never seen a Brazil GP so I feel I have bragging right's until someone takes a worse country and gps or takes a same tier country and gets a higher score. If this has already happened, I take back the bragging rights but, damn I can be proud if I want :P.

Not entirely true. It was a combination of all three and you would not have been a GP without the solid reserve of prestige points, that you focused on building up for the first half of the game.

However for the first half of the game you completely ignored almost all industrial and commerce and, to a certain degree, military advances, in order to focus on prestige technology. If I had had as much prestige as you, I could have been a GP too, however it would have made Mexico much weaker for for first half of the game.

I'm not really saying it was a bad choice, since you were in an isolated position and nobody was going to conquer you anyway, but you can't deny that you sacrificed technology that would have improved your industry and RGO's and empowered your military in exchange for prestige.

As far as I was concerned, throwing away so much for being a GP simply isn't worth it in this mod, when there is no technology boost from it. The only thing I ever had a scarcity of was silk for luxury clothes and that just meant I had to use Dragoons instead of Hussars.
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Maybe he had some master strategy based around grabbing all the rare resources, putting them through his 1836 era tech factories and then selling the horrifically inefficient output at an inflated price.

The Indian gambit I call it. :P
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slowzo

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You guys should have just formed some alliances and duked it out to see who was better..... oh wait didnt that happen?
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Yenzen,Aug 21 2014
06:20 AM
Otto of England,Aug 20 2014
05:10 PM
I believe it was my industry score+military that GP'd me not prestige whoring.

I also consider Mexico as a superior nation for score as you have a better industrial resources so that if you get enough immigrants you should have a good score. This game as Brazil I just managed to gain a tonne of immigrants giving me a large population for industrializing and made 35% or so of everyone into factory workers.

Anyways, I've never seen a Brazil GP so I feel I have bragging right's until someone takes a worse country and gps or takes a same tier country and gets a higher score. If this has already happened, I take back the bragging rights but, damn I can be proud if I want :P.

Not entirely true. It was a combination of all three and you would not have been a GP without the solid reserve of prestige points, that you focused on building up for the first half of the game.

However for the first half of the game you completely ignored almost all industrial and commerce and, to a certain degree, military advances, in order to focus on prestige technology. If I had had as much prestige as you, I could have been a GP too, however it would have made Mexico much weaker for for first half of the game.

I'm not really saying it was a bad choice, since you were in an isolated position and nobody was going to conquer you anyway, but you can't deny that you sacrificed technology that would have improved your industry and RGO's and empowered your military in exchange for prestige.

As far as I was concerned, throwing away so much for being a GP simply isn't worth it in this mod, when there is no technology boost from it. The only thing I ever had a scarcity of was silk for luxury clothes and that just meant I had to use Dragoons instead of Hussars.

My research plan was as follows:
If at war or war is imminent and military tech a available reasearch that,
If research tech available research that,
If education efficiency techs avilable research that,
If pop growth tech available research that,
If colonial tech available research that,
If useful industry or commerce tech available research that,
If prestige tech available research that,
If military tech available research that.

Using this research scheme and the game experience I only started really going hard prestige techs after 1870s.

Anyways if we played 1 more session and I had time to de occupy the rebels territory i could survive with -200 prestige (from my current total) and still be a GP by a good margin after all of the craftsmen got back to work (1 million I think, haven't looked at the save in awhile may be 500k). So I think it safe to say it was mostly industry + army score and only army score because everyone and their mom builds dreadnoughts so I had too as well, otherwise my army score was fairly low only mid 500 (compared to 1200-1400ish industry score)

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Maggix if that was an Mp game you win, lol.
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Your research in 1869:

Industry techs: 4 - you only researched medicine. No practical steam engine or mechanical production which would give huge boosts to RGO's.

Culture techs: 14 - including the three first "hard prestige" techs.

Commerce techs: 6 - Only researched tax efficiency + techs.

Navy techs: 6 - To gain ironclads.

Military techs: 9 - In order to prepare for colonial adventures and the + morale line.




Notably, you had only 17 brigades while I had 61. I had 8 commerce and 7 industry techs, focused around RGO+ lines, while having somewhat lesser cultural and naval tech.

In other words, I focused on internal infrastructure, RGO's and my military while you spent research on prestige tech and stuff that would give you colonial power - and also things that is more productive in terms of becoming a GP later on.
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eidur

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Yenzen,Aug 21 2014
07:42 PM
Your research in 1869:

Industry techs: 4 - you only researched medicine. No practical steam engine or mechanical production which would give huge boosts to RGO's.

Culture techs: 14 - including the three first "hard prestige" techs.

Commerce techs: 6 - Only researched tax efficiency + techs.

Navy techs: 6 - To gain ironclads.

Military techs: 9 - In order to prepare for colonial adventures and the + morale line.




Notably, you had only 17 brigades while I had 61. I had 8 commerce and 7 industry techs, focused around RGO+ lines, while having somewhat lesser cultural and naval tech.

In other words, I focused on internal infrastructure, RGO's and my military while you spent research on prestige tech and stuff that would give you colonial power - and also things that is more productive in terms of becoming a GP later on.

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slowzo

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That show just started last week in poland
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He had mighty Chile on his side!:D

(Although we might have had same techs not sure dont have saves anymore:) )
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Claudius8110
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Hey everyone my mother did pass away yesterday morning. It was her time and she was at peace.

I have things to handle in the next few days but I do believe we will be able to get our start by September 5.

Thanks everyone for the support in this hard time.
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Sorry to hear about your mother Claudius, she's in a better place now :)
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Yenzen,Aug 21 2014
12:42 PM
Your research in 1869:

Industry techs: 4 - you only researched medicine. No practical steam engine or mechanical production which would give huge boosts to RGO's.

Culture techs: 14 - including the three first "hard prestige" techs.

Commerce techs: 6 - Only researched tax efficiency + techs.

Navy techs: 6 - To gain ironclads.

Military techs: 9 - In order to prepare for colonial adventures and the + morale line.




Notably, you had only 17 brigades while I had 61. I had 8 commerce and 7 industry techs, focused around RGO+ lines, while having somewhat lesser cultural and naval tech.

In other words, I focused on internal infrastructure, RGO's and my military while you spent research on prestige tech and stuff that would give you colonial power - and also things that is more productive in terms of becoming a GP later on.

I researched a total of (from games start to 1869)

5 military techs
5 naval techs
4(basicly 5) commerce techs
10 culture techs (notable only 2 hard prestige techs)
2 industry techs

This fits my model I posted perfectly so I don't know why you brought it up.

Contrary to what you thought my nation wasnt teched to become a GP, it was teched to industry whore. My national focuses were set up to industry whore (5/5 on promoting craftsmen). My whole game was set up to industrial whore as Brazil to bring me into GP status. This was successful in my book as I gp'ed with 1,015,051 unemployed craftsmen due to rebel occupation. Theoretically speaking, 1,015,051 crafts directly results in 406 industry points, so if you removed 400 prestige from me leaving 100 I would still be a GP as soon as I de-occupied the rebel territory. As it was once I de-occupied myself I had a total score of 2249, compared to your score of 1699.5(including your 1,116,308 unemployed craftsmen) So if I removed all 500 of my prestige I would still be above you and a GP.

If you think GP'ing as Brazil is easy, play Brazil next game and by 1906 get a score of 2249(You can count craftsmen unemployed due to occupation) or greater or serious stop belittling my achievement, I have the right to be proud. While I may not have done something as amazing as some people have, in a 20 person MP game with a super UK and few European wars, I think I did a lot better then anyone could have expected. I was a European power for crying out loud :P lol. Brazil STRONK!
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I just wished Nigeria existed at start so I could play them and then spam you all with messages of how the Ngerian bank is gonna give you money :D
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slowzo

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Just send a ship with 50k on it as a deposit and they wil forward you your inheritance worth 1 million!

http://youtu.be/JAH43TZYGt4
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