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Topic Started: Aug 18 2014, 11:01 PM (4,492 Views)
slowzo

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Someone post a screen shot!
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eidur

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So Jack the Ripper was Polish...

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/07/identity-of-...course-4859504/


Poles making life in UK hell since 1881.
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eidur,Sep 7 2014
12:25 PM
So Jack the Ripper was Polish...

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/07/identity-of-...course-4859504/


Poles making life in UK hell since 1881.

Eh, it would be worse without them. Have you ever seen a clogged toilet (of course you have, you're Polish)? The last time we tried to do any plumbing without the Poles we got cholera.

Can't be making an empire and have cholera all at once, you know.
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Seems and issue happened with Struki in the Sunday game. We may need to make some moves. If anyone has any input feel free to post here. I would like to hear both sides of the story.

Eidur and I need to be informed.
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Struki was banned for a month after continuing a breach of the rules he was already punished severely for in the last session (stockpiling, specifically at least artillery). It's worth noting that Kristjan told all players during the session multiple times to stop stockpiling, because he could see from the prices that someone was doing it. Struki neither stopped nor acknowledged that he was doing it.

After the session, he claimed that he did not know that we didn't change his trade settings for him before the next session began... Which is not something that's ever done and is obviously something that he should check once the GM starts going "whoever is stockpiling artillery. Stop it."

The fact that he did not show a lot of regard for the rules, the players or the GM may have been contributing factors.
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Eidur and I spoke and we are going to proceed as normal for now. We have no evidence at this point that Struki has broke any rules in our campaign. I respect Kristjans decision as this is his community but at the same time we cant just replace a player based on a different game. Eidur will review the save further to make sure that everything is correct.

For diplomacy I would imagine Struki will have to conduct all affairs via steam.

Again this is an open topic and I would like to hear input from anyone who has something they would like to offer.
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Just throw him out of the game. The guy is annoying as fuck, just his voice makes me throw up..
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Endothelium,Sep 8 2014
10:04 AM
Just throw him out of the game. The guy is annoying as fuck, just his voice makes me throw up..

yes :)
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slowzo

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Given he hasn't actually broken any rules of this game, and the fact that Kristjen didn't perma ban him, only 30 days, i think he should be allowed to stay as long as he acknowledges hes on his last straw, and if he does it again it will likely result in a perma ban.
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If we are going to allow Struki to continue, he will need someone who can act as his proxy in treaties and essential communications. One of the trademarks of the WiR games is rather active forum participation, after all. Besides, he might want to make land deals and such.
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Alright so I spoke with Struki on steam.

First off as I made clear to him I will also repeat to everyone else: This is Kristjan's forum and we use it at his pleasure. Showing him the proper respect is beyond essential. I really hope to never hear something like this again.

As far as our campaign goes, Struki is officially on Zex Double Secret probation which means he is on a 1 strike and out as far as rule breaks go. Yes he did not break a rule in our campaign, but I have heard lots of our core players come to me with concerns. Concerns like this could unravel our campaign which I wont let happen. Eidur will keep his eye on the save and I ask anyone else who would like to as well to look for those market issues that caused this problem in the Sunday game.

Struki will honor the 30 day ban from Kristjan so this means no making a dummy account to be able to post or sign treaties. He will have to figure out how he wants to be kept in the loop on news. I encourage people to continue posting in the Dutch embassy but to also contact Struki on steam for any pressing issues.

Treaties that require the Dutch signature will have to go through Eidur or I to sign for Struki.

I think I covered everything but this is where I stand as of now.

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Claudius8110,Sep 8 2014
11:29 AM
Alright so I spoke with Struki on steam.

First off as I made clear to him I will also repeat to everyone else: This is Kristjan's forum and we use it at his pleasure. Showing him the proper respect is beyond essential. I really hope to never hear something like this again.

As far as our campaign goes, Struki is officially on Zex Double Secret probation which means he is on a 1 strike and out as far as rule breaks go. Yes he did not break a rule in our campaign, but I have heard lots of our core players come to me with concerns. Concerns like this could unravel our campaign which I wont let happen. Eidur will keep his eye on the save and I ask anyone else who would like to as well to look for those market issues that caused this problem in the Sunday game.

Struki will honor the 30 day ban from Kristjan so this means no making a dummy account to be able to post or sign treaties. He will have to figure out how he wants to be kept in the loop on news. I encourage people to continue posting in the Dutch embassy but to also contact Struki on steam for any pressing issues.

Treaties that require the Dutch signature will have to go through Eidur or I to sign for Struki.

I think I covered everything but this is where I stand as of now.

Honestly, Kristjan's game should have nothing to do with ours. Whether Kristjan banned Struki from his game is his own concern. This game should be Kristjan-free. These are his forums, however, his rulings don't apply to this game.

I have had a negative experience with Kristjan before and for that reason I empathize with Struki. Regardless of our personal feelings about him, he did not violate the rules in this game and therefore should recieve no penalties.

(Yes, I'm not very fond of Kristjan, I'm only on these forums cus Magister is a good guy....when he isn't sipping pina colada :P)
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It has everything to do with our game. This is a united community and most players play across different campaigns and most everyone will know some of the other players if they join a new campaign.

Players gain a reputation for being skilled (or the opposite), underhanded, rude or cheating and this was an example of the latter.

Preferably one should 'reset' their opinion of someone who defeated and/or outplayed them diplomatically in one game, because hey, that's part of the deal too. But cheating and lying and general unsportsmanlike behavior are things that can stick.

Other than that, his absence from the forum does matter.

That said, the GMs have spoken. Let's not get too much into discussing our personal opinion about Struki or even Kristjan for that matter on the forums - if you don't like his style or rules, you don't have to join his games.
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Magister Equitum

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Is Markoni still playing the game? (I vaguely remember that he left, but am not certain.)
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eidur

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After multiple conversations with players we've decided to take more drastic measures and remove Struki as the Netherlands. It has nothing to do with his rule break from Sunday game. Players feel uncofortable playing with Struki, to the point where they dont want to conduct any diplomacy with him. Struki got his chance and he didnt impress. He was an annoyance to everybody and not active on the forums. Nearly all relevant players multiple times asked me if they could just kill and partition the Netherlands, just because they dislike Struki.

This is not how the WiR games are supposed to be like. Struki isnt a suitable player and therefore he's removed from the game.
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To note, Struki was not give his 30 days when he told me to go f**k myself in-game. He did not even get his 30 days when I audited the mid-session saves and found him repeating a same rule violation as the previous session. But he did get it when he proceeded to go on the forum hours later and blatantly lie to everyone to cover up his transgression. To those who are "empathizing" with Struki, I'll put it to you logically: Lets assume his story was true, and the GM was suddenly fixing game settings for players after loading the save, when he had never done it before. Now, 3 questions:

- Why would the GM suddenly start fixing player violations for them when previously he has told players to fix them themselves? (Multiple players busted before for violations can confirm that at the start of the next session, their settings were not corrected)
- Why would the GM leave one setting unfixed?
- Why didn't players see AI having issued orders, which it can do even if the game is not run for a day before being re-saved?

So much for that. As to Friss' vendetta of sorts against me. I recall that it was me having a bad experience with him. I recall that he was taking GM decisions favouring his allies in multiple sessions which were unwarranted. I also recall that I was a much more negative person in general at that time, and likely lost my temper over it, for which hopefully I did apologize at some point in the past. Perhaps I didn't, so I offer it now for being rude in the way I did my admin role at that time. But I still acted in the best interest of that game in question. I haven't had to do something similar since, so apparently the point was well taken. That is my side of the story, for fairness purposes. As the GMs here have ruled on the discussion being over and we've both had our say, nothing more needs be said about it.

Struki is off the forum for 30 days. In reply to a PM I got from Magister asking to clarify the situation for you guys, the forum will automatically unsuspend his account in '30 days time and he will be back to full posting privileges. If anyone doubts that the players booted from AoE4 are actually guilty of breaking the rules I say they did, you can ask the current players, even those who have been my in-character opponents. I'll make all the audited saves available (some already are) and you can see for yourself that these people were as bad as myself and others say they were.
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Definitely don't dismantle The Netherlands. Get a sub instead.
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Kristjan-alt,Sep 8 2014
02:38 PM
To note, Struki was not give his 30 days when he told me to go f**k myself in-game. He did not even get his 30 days when I audited the mid-session saves and found him repeating a same rule violation as the previous session. But he did get it when he proceeded to go on the forum hours later and blatantly lie to everyone to cover up his transgression. To those who are "empathizing" with Struki, I'll put it to you logically: Lets assume his story was true, and the GM was suddenly fixing game settings for players after loading the save, when he had never done it before. Now, 3 questions:

- Why would the GM suddenly start fixing player violations for them when previously he has told players to fix them themselves? (Multiple players busted before for violations can confirm that at the start of the next session, their settings were not corrected)
- Why would the GM leave one setting unfixed?
- Why didn't players see AI having issued orders, which it can do even if the game is not run for a day before being re-saved?

So much for that. As to Friss' vendetta of sorts against me. I recall that it was me having a bad experience with him. I recall that he was taking GM decisions favouring his allies in multiple sessions which were unwarranted. I also recall that I was a much more negative person in general at that time, and likely lost my temper over it, for which hopefully I did apologize at some point in the past. Perhaps I didn't, so I offer it now for being rude in the way I did my admin role at that time. But I still acted in the best interest of that game in question. I haven't had to do something similar since, so apparently the point was well taken. That is my side of the story, for fairness purposes. As the GMs here have ruled on the discussion being over and we've both had our say, nothing more needs be said about it.

Struki is off the forum for 30 days. In reply to a PM I got from Magister asking to clarify the situation for you guys, the forum will automatically unsuspend his account in '30 days time and he will be back to full posting privileges. If anyone doubts that the players booted from AoE4 are actually guilty of breaking the rules I say they did, you can ask the current players, even those who have been my in-character opponents. I'll make all the audited saves available (some already are) and you can see for yourself that these people were as bad as myself and others say they were.

That's all I've ever wanted bb. I may not agree with your decision, but an apology was all i was ever after :).
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Eldernash expressed interest in taking over the Netherlands.
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Sweet prophet-but-not-son-of-God Jesus, these religious conversion rates are a little crazy.

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Kristjan-alt,Sep 8 2014
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To note, Struki was not give his 30 days when he told me to go f**k myself in-game. He did not even get his 30 days when I audited the mid-session saves and found him repeating a same rule violation as the previous session. But he did get it when he proceeded to go on the forum hours later and blatantly lie to everyone to cover up his transgression. To those who are "empathizing" with Struki, I'll put it to you logically: Lets assume his story was true, and the GM was suddenly fixing game settings for players after loading the save, when he had never done it before. Now, 3 questions:

- Why would the GM suddenly start fixing player violations for them when previously he has told players to fix them themselves? (Multiple players busted before for violations can confirm that at the start of the next session, their settings were not corrected)
- Why would the GM leave one setting unfixed?
- Why didn't players see AI having issued orders, which it can do even if the game is not run for a day before being re-saved?

So much for that. As to Friss' vendetta of sorts against me. I recall that it was me having a bad experience with him. I recall that he was taking GM decisions favouring his allies in multiple sessions which were unwarranted. I also recall that I was a much more negative person in general at that time, and likely lost my temper over it, for which hopefully I did apologize at some point in the past. Perhaps I didn't, so I offer it now for being rude in the way I did my admin role at that time. But I still acted in the best interest of that game in question. I haven't had to do something similar since, so apparently the point was well taken. That is my side of the story, for fairness purposes. As the GMs here have ruled on the discussion being over and we've both had our say, nothing more needs be said about it.

Struki is off the forum for 30 days. In reply to a PM I got from Magister asking to clarify the situation for you guys, the forum will automatically unsuspend his account in '30 days time and he will be back to full posting privileges. If anyone doubts that the players booted from AoE4 are actually guilty of breaking the rules I say they did, you can ask the current players, even those who have been my in-character opponents. I'll make all the audited saves available (some already are) and you can see for yourself that these people were as bad as myself and others say they were.

1 thing that i dont understand, struki maybe did break a rule but he didnt gain anything from it. You do realize that in your game market is broken and his country is dead. So he cant get anything he stockpiled. And one thing that is really sad is that you check if people had their navy budget or stockpiles.
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Alright lets put this issue to bed. Lets take it to the IC forums gentlemen.
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Hello. I do not play this game, but I was contacted by Struki. He asked me to copy paste this message for you, which he has written himself. I have no opinion on this, I'm just messenger.

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@Kristjan

I told you repeatedly to fu*k yourself and for that,i agree with you 100% that i should have been banned,no discussion there
I was rude and inappropriate and just kept saying it and for that i do sincerely apologize.

Choose what you want to believe,but i will say this once again,i DIDN'T touch the stockpiles the whole game.Me saying that
you set me up was sarcastic,i was referencing a youtube video,but oh well.
I didn't even enter the trade screen (to avoid temptation of stockpiling stuff) .

Again i apologize for being an ass to you the whole game,but i didn't touch the stockpiles at all.

You can choose to believe what you want,but now you know my point of view.


@Eidur

I think you saying that me being removed from the game doesn't have anything to do with what happened on sunday is not really
true. However you have every right to do so,but,for every person that would want me removed,i think you can find another
that has no problem with me being in the game.

If you choose to change your opinion i promise you that i will tone myself down and refrain from insulting anyone/spitting
racial slurs.
Claudius told me he would put me on probation and if i did anything rule breaking - i'd be done.

That's all i can say,ball is in your court mate.
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Claudius8110,Sep 9 2014
01:22 PM
Alright lets put this issue to bed.  Lets take it to the IC forums gentlemen.

Alright lets put this issue to bed. Lets take it to the IC forums gentlemen.
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I injured my right wrist.

Today has been a bad day for wrists. First, after failing miserably at trying to play Don't Cry for me Argentina, went golfing with my brother and made a complete mess of the technique. Now my wrist is throbbing like crazy!

At any rate, my right wrist is in a near constant state of shock ever since a fellow shook my hand rather vigorously at a conference some years ago; I should probably have it checked by a doctor one of these days. (Since it always makes a popping sound when anyone shakes my hand.)

I may have to write shorter posts than usual. Apologies. [I will still be typing though. Fingers are working fine.]
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Ive heard rumblings that mexico mobilized twice during the recent war. Anyone shed any light on this?
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Claudius8110,Sep 10 2014
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Ive heard rumblings that mexico mobilized twice during the recent war. Anyone shed any light on this?

Perhaps Rosy should tell us more about the subject?
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07:46 PM
I injured my right wrist.

Today has been a bad day for wrists. First, after failing miserably at trying to play Don't Cry for me Argentina, went golfing with my brother and made a complete mess of the technique. Now my wrist is throbbing like crazy!

At any rate, my right wrist is in a near constant state of shock ever since a fellow shook my hand rather vigorously at a conference some years ago; I should probably have it checked by a doctor one of these days. (Since it always makes a popping sound when anyone shakes my hand.)

I may have to write shorter posts than usual. Apologies. [I will still be typing though. Fingers are working fine.]

Ive heard hand shaking in Canada is #2 most common cause of hand injurys. The #1 is burns from dipping tim hortons donuts to deep in coffee.
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what the hell is that place
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I am not even a coffee drinker, but Tim Hortons is a nice place [even if they don't offer soy or almond milk, even if they have degraded tea-making to simply dipping a teabag in hot water and even if their gluten-free coconut macaroons are incredibly dry...]

When ever I had to do a presentation for a course, I'd bring Tim Bits for the class. Can't go wrong with Tim Bits. For example, for a presentation on NAFTA & the Canadian Judiciary, I brought a crab dip, and a spinach dip, and tim bits. I was surprised to see people prefer sweet over savoury in the afternoon.

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These are Tim Bits[/align]

It is experiences like these that make Tim Hortons a place to remember.
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