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Topic Started: Jan 16 2015, 02:40 PM (3,580 Views)
Crimdal

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I still think 3 speed is worth it at peace even if it causes OOS. Personally I think speed 2 is fine for pvp but I guess i'm just a Boss.
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So the allies have a total EFS score of 99 while the Axis have a total EFS score of 38. Whats the point of EFS if it only takes account of pre session data. There needs to be a recalculation of the EFS before a major war is taken into account or something. Otherwise people could just disband some units or something before the end of a session to lower the EFS and then raise it once the session starts. Giant alliances vs small alliances make the game unfair.
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Don't overestimate the power of the EFS score. In terms of pure military prowess on land, NGF fought me and Austria to a grinding halt, later aided by Scandinavia, while Ukraine kept most Russian forces busy. Then Ukraine (which has an insane army, check the save) finally peaces out, and is immediately called into the war anew with a completely refreshed army and since it's an AI, it just mobilized again.

Now it's really up in the air where this war is going, EFS be damned.
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To underscore my point:

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Summation: Just because Ukraine doesn't "count" doesn't mean it does not have 90 brigades, many completely renewed out of thin air, rampaging through Russia. Losses are about equal, yet NGF has far from lost. This is not a curb-stomp war and neither side messed up to have more than a 10% difference in losses.

(Man getting that thing to work was bothersome).
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Crimdal,Mar 2 2015
12:28 AM
I still think 3 speed is worth it at peace even if it causes OOS. Personally I think speed 2 is fine for pvp but I guess i'm just a Boss.

It's not that it causes OOS. It's that it physically is not possible because the game will force me to slow it down since someone will lag. I don't know why you don't get this.

If we could run 3 speed I'm sure we would. It just does not work.

Also I'm not sure if Ukraine was called back in because of OOS or a bug, but it is going to probably be the reason why we lose this war, since it's like all these stacks running across Russia at full org and supply and I didn't prepare for it to return into the war since I didn't think that would actually happen. Poor Russia.
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The rather strange resurgence of a Ukraine that was soundly beaten, peaced out, and then was called into war again. Using the three saves made because of rehosting.

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In the May save, Ukraine will answer a call back into war from the NGF. And according to the war analyzer, Ukraine was called back into war on the 12. of may - 4 days into the second save. Given this, I find it very hard to believe that the NGF didn't call Ukraine back into war since it happened after the date we rehosted.
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GrenadierSchube

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Silly Italy! Everyone knows those are Pro Ukraine Separatist rebels inside Russia! Simple farmers and miners who have risen up against the Russian Monarch having no affiliation with the Ukraine state or Military. *Don't mind the Ukraine army patches or weapons solely used/operated by Ukraine, they were all taken from Russian Arms depots!


(Also in all seriousness I think they were able to rejoin because a nation named UK joined the war, have had this happen before with AI Ukraine in a previous game when a new nation joined, forfeited all peace made with said AI Ukraine)
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Yenzen
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The NGF could call in Ukraine before the UK entered, and indeed it did. (UK entered in June).

Whatever. I don't think it's against the rules regardless of how abusive it is, but I'll dispute any claim that this is a uneven conflict as the losses and remaining forces on both sides tell a different tale.
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GrenadierSchube

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Was the CB for "Annex Ukraine" Added before or after it rejoined? This also could of been the reason why it rejoined (now I am just guessing)
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Yenzen
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He had no added it during the first half of the war, and he could not have before Ukraine was pulled back in.
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Slayzer,Mar 1 2015
10:59 PM
Ok, I sent a pm to Kunarian explaining what I did during the session and giving advice on what he should be doing in the current war, hope he finds time to read it.

Thank you Slayzer, it is appreciated that you came on short notice!
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am300307,Mar 2 2015
12:00 PM
So the allies have a total EFS score of 99 while the Axis have a total EFS score of 38. Whats the point of EFS if it only takes account of pre session data. There needs to be a recalculation of the EFS before a major war is taken into account or something. Otherwise people could just disband some units or something before the end of a session to lower the EFS and then raise it once the session starts. Giant alliances vs small alliances make the game unfair.

At this point, the sides are actually well-matched, A lot of NGF brigades no longer have a full-strength POP to support them. OTOH, Ukraine can throw all 90 of its brigades into occupying Russia. The Austrian alliance might have a slightly quantitative superiority if you count all of the United Kingdom's brigades. However its literally impossible for Britain to throw all of its brigades into a European war, not without leaving India wide open to attack by Japan, USA, Persia, etc. One also has to take into account that more of Britain's EFS score is made up of naval points relative to everyone else. Even though naval only weights at 65% relative to the other factors, their base naval score at 30 is equal to most of you added together.
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We had better keep sunstersun in Persia. The moment we switched him to Russia, he turned unreliable and went AWOL on us. :(

If anyone knows someone who wants to pick up Russia, have them let us know ASAP.
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GrenadierSchube,Mar 2 2015
01:56 PM
Was the CB for "Annex Ukraine" Added before or after it rejoined?  This also could of been the reason why it rejoined (now I am just guessing)

It was added after it rejoined. I figured I could reoccupy Ukraine and just eat them the second time since the first time I just wanted them out, but now it's not possible without UK investing troops there. I didn't realize they had THAT many troops.

If NGF actually did call them back in, I would appreciate him actually saying so so I know what happened and can not make that mistake in the future. Based on the saves he definitely could have as Yenzen says above so I would just say it's kind of a poor show for him to lie if he did do that. It's just for my own knowledge of why that happened, not so I can be a rules stickler.

Had I known that was possible (they wouldn't get a truce) then I would have just kept them occupied the entire war, or added restore order and eaten them then and there.
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Indeed, Russia could easily have occupied all of Ukraine and demanded anything from the AI. But he didn't, because there was every reason to expect that it would have a truce and none that it wouldn't.

It can't be helped now, but it's very frustrating to know that one can release nations and recall them into wars for infinite troops, or suffer the knowledge that you simply cannot peace out assisting AI nations after defeating them.
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Ryeassassin

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Kristjan,Mar 2 2015
02:10 PM

At this point, the sides are actually well-matched, A lot of NGF brigades no longer have a full-strength POP to support them. OTOH, Ukraine can throw all 90 of its brigades into occupying Russia. The Austrian alliance might have a slightly quantitative superiority if you count all of the United Kingdom's brigades. However its literally impossible for Britain to throw all of its brigades into a European war, not without leaving India wide open to attack by Japan, USA, Persia, etc. One also has to take into account that more of Britain's EFS score is made up of naval points relative to everyone else. Even though naval only weights at 65% relative to the other factors, their base naval score at 30 is equal to most of you added together.

I though other nations couldn't attack UK until they were done with the war due to the consecutive war rule
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Ryeassassin,Mar 2 2015
05:04 PM
Kristjan,Mar 2 2015
02:10 PM

At this point, the sides are actually well-matched, A lot of NGF brigades no longer have a full-strength POP to support them. OTOH, Ukraine can throw all 90 of its brigades into occupying Russia. The Austrian alliance might have a slightly quantitative superiority if you count all of the United Kingdom's brigades. However its literally impossible for Britain to throw all of its brigades into a European war, not without leaving India wide open to attack by Japan, USA, Persia, etc. One also has to take into account that more of Britain's EFS score is made up of naval points relative to everyone else. Even though naval only weights at 65% relative to the other factors, their base naval score at 30 is equal to most of you added together.

I though other nations couldn't attack UK until they were done with the war due to the consecutive war rule

But if the war ends and none of his troops are in India.. well, it's a much easier target.
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Ryeassassin

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It amusing you think any nation (or coalition) other then France has the forces to be able successfully win war against the UK and its allies. And we all know how close France and the UK are...
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Crimdal

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I still think I should take over Russia, because honestly who wants Russia, and although I am a big complainer I am a generally punctual and don't mind a challenge. Then Rye can move to America and if Sunstersun shows up we can keep him as Persia.
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Ryeassassin,Mar 2 2015
05:32 PM
It amusing you think any nation (or coalition) other then France has the forces to be able successfully win war against the UK and its allies. And we all know how close France and the UK are...

I've seen crazy things in the past. Pure numbers don't always mean everything.
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Otto of England
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Felicity,Mar 2 2015
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Ryeassassin,Mar 2 2015
05:32 PM
It amusing you think any nation (or coalition) other then France has the forces to be able successfully win war against the UK and its allies.  And we all know how close France and the UK are...

I've seen crazy things in the past. Pure numbers don't always mean everything.

One time Brazil + Chile almost defeated UK+Belgium+Netherlands in taking Nava...
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Erthel
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:BIRUS2:

Time for a coup.

I'll take over Russia, extend the wings and finger german holes.

If you don't mind, of course.
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Kristjan
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Erthel will be officially added to the roster once he puts up a proper embassy. ;)
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Since I didn't request for the transfer of 200,000 GBP to Spain in time for the upcoming session, I have dishonored my obligations under the treaty that handled the 'Sale of Guam and Saipan'. The penalty for that under the terms of the treaty is a 20% prestige penalty. Just pointing this out, so Spain can't say I tried to avoid the penalty.


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KevinG

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Just a heads up, I've been extremely sick the past few days. Don't know if I will feel well enough to play tomorrow, which kinda sucks considering the state my country is in. Is my country protected at all during the current war if I'm not there tomorrow?
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Nobody's going to demand anything from you, even if we win.
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KevinG,Mar 7 2015
12:52 PM
Just a heads up, I've been extremely sick the past few days. Don't know if I will feel well enough to play tomorrow, which kinda sucks considering the state my country is in. Is my country protected at all during the current war if I'm not there tomorrow?

Your enemies are allowed to fight your AI if there is no substitute. However, you will then be under protection the moment peace is signed. Since the other side is not pursuing wargoals against you, you should be alright on that front. I would advise trying to find a sub, and at the very least leaving instructions with the GMs or your allies to give out in case there is a sub.
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It seems that neither GM actually opened the edits thread this week, so it shall be open for a few hours as compensation.
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Otto of England
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Just to check the game starts in 2 hours? or is it 3? We just had the time change last night and I want to make sure I'm not late.
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The game starts in one and a half hours. It is currently 1300EST.
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