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Philosophy; ...What's in your mind
Topic Started: Aug 29 2004, 07:03 PM (2,402 Views)
Nodron Simpleton
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Things like this are being discussed like ...everywhere. Every single person has his own thoughts of the existance of life, the universe, other dimensions.
The purpose of this tread is making each other getting headaches, and learn new interesting theories...there might be a new einstein or mendlejev amongst us.
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MindlessPhilosophy
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Okay I got a good one. :D

How can you tell that this universe, this universe of rocks and sticks and cars and trees, is an entity seperate from your brain. In other words, if you died.. your brain ceased to function.. wout the rest of the universe continue to go on. Or is this all, everything.. just created by your mind.. living through the amazing power that the imagination carries.

And can you prove it one way or another. I bet you caaaant... :P
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Nodron Simpleton
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There are reason why I think it isn't that way. The possibility that this all has been 'made' by my mind does not exist. There is simply no way that a simple human mind can invent such a diversity of life, and other things., as there is here, on this ...everything. Another thing I think is true, is that our mind can't create thing that it can't grasp, like the word 'nothing' , or the infinity of the universe.
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Sigfried
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interesting you mention mendelieiev, meyer made a periodic table too, indenpendent of mendelieiev, bu he showed his table a year later than mendelieiev :rolleyes: , so sad...
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Nodron Simpleton
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hehe lol, yeah chemistry, biology and physics are my main courses in school...together with mathematics. It seems like I can remember some of these thing we have learned.

Anyone has great thought about life on other planets?
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Sigfried
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i think carl sagan has good theories, even if he contradicted himself in the begginng, but he admited his guilt later
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Do virusses and other small entities count? otherwise I'm sure there's life out there!
But one things for sure: if there is human-like life on other planets, it would have a totally different look than what we can imagine! If gravity for example would be 5times as big as on earth, the creatures would be like verry short and flat, and when there's a lot of swamps you can expect smiley creatures, etc etc... A nice thing to let you imagination loose on :)
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Nodron Simpleton
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When the gravity is different, I think you're right, but when the gravity is the same as here, or at least close to it, I think the creatures there look quite the same as here.
I mean , look at al creatures on earth, they all have certain things in commonn. some of them, like dogs, cats, bunnies, horses, pigs, cows,... they all have the same body structure... I think it isn't that different on other planets.
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30th years ago, the northamerican goverment prepared a project called "operation lure", they build a strange looking building with glass walls, and some video anc camera devices in the basement, they wantd to attract inteligent life without hunting them (the air force were hunting UFOs since the end of the WW2), they wanted to prepare a bunch of proffesionals, biologist, exobiologist, language scholars, etc. the curiosity of the UFOs about the human buildings could be attracted by that building and perhaps they could make a contact. B)
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Nodron Simpleton
Aug 30 2004, 01:15 AM
There are reason why I think it isn't that way. The possibility that this all has been 'made' by my mind does not exist. There is simply no way that a simple human mind can invent such a diversity of life, and other things., as there is here, on this ...everything. Another thing I think is true, is that our mind can't create thing that it can't grasp, like the word 'nothing' , or the infinity of the universe.

Maybe you are not the human you think you are.. Your mind could be playing this great trick on itself as some sort of amusement through the eons you have existed.. hey its possible
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and, again, I think that's not true.
Everything happens for a purpose. Every single creature is here for a reason. Everything happens for a reason.
And there is no reason why nature would do that...because there is no reason.
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Yes.. I know its very unlikely. But still, you cannot prove it to be untrue can you? Thats whats great about it. :D
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Nodron Simpleton
Aug 29 2004, 11:54 AM
and, again, I think that's not true.
Everything happens for a purpose. Every single creature is here for a reason. Everything happens for a reason.
And there is no reason why nature would do that...because there is no reason.

the fact that everything has a purpose is even more reason to believe that either your mind or something else is creating this illusion.. Why must everything have a purpose?? why must we do the things we do?? We live in a socitey where you have to fight and work to survive.. where you have to earn your life.. why must things be like so? it only leads to the possibility that there are a select few that are controling the world.. what we do, who we talk to, what we eat. these people are dumbing us down with these comertials, and junk.. we suffer so the select few can rejoice.. now you might be saying " if there was an all powerfull being of people or otherwise why would they let you say this?" they want us to talk.. cause people like me are considered radicals, and loons... there just makeing the idea of their existance more implausible..
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yeah! Head-ache time started
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like suckin down a reality smoothie.. :bing:
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Reality is an illusion
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Nodron Simpleton
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Aug 29 2004, 10:09 PM
Reality is an illusion

you really wanted to post that didn't you? :D
Anyway, I'm going to set some rules online tomorrow...chluaid suggested I'd do that...there is one problem..inventing rules is hard.

now back to the topic: philosophy
Any more interesting theories?...time travelling, is it possible?
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Heh, you read my mind :P

Ah time travel, I love that topic. I'll post whenever I wake up.
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Time travel is possible, in different forms. Many people believe death to be an ability of time travel. Such as reincarnation which goes beyond space and time, being reborn in a life that could be before, or far in the future of when you died.
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Rubberhead has a scientific magazine in which an article about time travelling is written. I'll try to steal it and post the text.

But what I can say now, is that Ifyou could get to the centerpoint of a black hole, you'll be able to travel trough time.
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Theres an article I read at some time... in a different forum I was in, someone had a time travel thread and there was this article of a man who came online and went to certain chats and spoke of himself as going through time, posted images and designs of his vessel... He didn't come on often, but every time he did he kept giving more evidence, eventually he stopped coming back, theres a rumor that some heads in high places got word of him and the next time he came on they were going to try and trace where he was and that's why he never returned...
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yeah things like this are weird.
You don't accidentally have a link to that forum?

I once read about a man who won a lot of money by gambling...because he knew what would happen. the question ofcourse is, is it possible. Not to my oppinion. I'll post the reason why when I've read that article again.
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I'll try and find the article... It was a long time ago..... Let me search for it...

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Dunlavy
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I'm not having alot of luck.... Dang.... it was like 2 years ago that I read it...
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Here's an interesting theory on time travel...
I think that black holes are a natural means of acheving the speed of light due to the theory that a black hole is a puncture in the space/time continuum. If you look at a y=1/x graph, you'd notice that at x=0, y would be an infinite variable. According to Einstien, as you get closer to the speed of light, the greater your mass gets therefore requiring an infinite mass at the speed of light. Now when you take the graph and make the y-axis mass and the x-axis velocity (0 representing the speed of light) we get a good representation of the change in mass (you could also replace mass with energy, since speed of light has te same effect on that too) as you get closer to the speed of light. Now if you look to the right of the center, you'd notice that as you go faster, the whole graph is flipped around. When something goes into a black hole, the gravity causes an acceleration. Since black holes never end, you could in theory accelerate up to and past the speed of light. You would then have a negative mass, and a negative energy the faster you get after the speed of light.

Interdimetional and/or time travel could be possible through black holes, though the most probable thing that would happen if you went into one would be that you would appear out a 'white hole' in a parrallel universe. Since energy is never destroyed, the energy sucked into a black hole would have to go somewhere, so it's possible that there'd be a white hole that regurgitates everything that is sucked into a black hole. I actually have a few pages that I wrote about the theory. This is about a third of it all.

My brain hurts after regurgitating that... anyone get what I'm saying?

[edit] Hey, I just realized that what Nordon said was very close to my theory! What article is that? I want to check it out!
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