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Daily Sketch Thread; wanna become the great artist?
Topic Started: Dec 18 2004, 07:59 PM (213,901 Views)
Bussman
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hmm the only think that looks awkword to me is the left breast

im loving those bely curves though
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Anghenfil
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Feb 8 2006, 05:45 PM
i can see the influence ;)
however, if you look at the example posted above, the fingers, though gnarly looking, still have some normal bone structure, in fact it kind of looks like he's even drawn in the structure in the dragon's right front claw.

if you look at your dragon's left claw, it's fingers are bending in an impossible way. and if you compare it to the right claw, they are unbalanced, the fingers on the left being much much longer than the fingers on the right.
The only thing that mentler seems to really get freaky with is the nails, but the proper bone structure still seems to be there.

:huh: I wasn't aware Mentler drew any dragons, so I think you must be referring to the bone structure in the Michaelangelo drawing. Most of my inspiration for the hyperextension was derrived from this picture, particularly the figure on the right:

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Second of all, it's not impossible. I know a guy back home that would make a point of touching the tops of his fingernails to the back of his wrist to gross us out, and he could rotate his fingers unassisted at or past the point I've drawn. In comparision, my boyfriend can barely rotate his fingers past parallel to the meta's without help. I can get mine almost perpendicular. There's a lot of range from individual to individual on joint rotation.

But your point is taken -- if it looks offish, I'll avoid doing it in the future.

The mismatched finger lengths are due unfortunately to my failure at foreshortening and that the left is pointing down but the the right is facing almost completely away from the figure. This is what I get for not using reference. :(

Thanks for the crits again. :wbitey:


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I think she looks pregnant cause her belly and breasts are so big...


Awesome, that was more or less my intent. :) She's supposed to be very voluptuous. I'm just worried that it doesn't look quite right (Humble's suggestion of adding more breasts for a more gradular transition in the torso was a good one).
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fuzzyillogic
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I don't think I've EVER seen a pregnant dragon before, nice work!

Here's something I did a couple of days ago in illustrator, I haven't had time to clean it up yet (that's meant to be a sunscreen bottle)

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Oh and here's something stupid


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Anghenfil
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Niiice, you have really good line flow, especially in the torso. Are you going to color it?

Few things:

-What are those squiggles in the guy's hands? They look kind of slapped on compared to everything else you have there.

-Have his goatee slightly overlap part of his chin. It seems to "float" right now.

-Is that a crab beneath him? You might want to beef up his claws. It's looking more like a steak knife right now than a claw. :P

-For some reason, my brain wants to make the poofy sleeves contiguous with his pecs, which makes him look very strange. Work on that area a bit, maybe make the sleeves thinner.

-If you "arc" his arms, you can give him a stronger and more flowy feel.

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I hope I'm not picking on you too much. I really like the humor of this piece.
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Nuclear
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Something I drew last night.. guess who : D
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fuzzyillogic
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no, no - thanks for the crits! Please pick away! How can I ever hope to improve otherwise? Advice from a genine artist is such a gift - I dunno, gives me a buzz anyone would bother really. But thanks again - and everyone, get the boot in! Call me names! Kick dirt in my eye!

(P.S. for ang):

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Anghenfil
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Love it! The eyebrows make it.

Nuclear, from looking at your picture you might want to check the following things:

-Nose looks a little too straight and small. Should be thinner at the top than the bottom and it's vice-versa right now.

-Give her more of an eyebrow ridge and a cheek bone; the whole side of her face is looking flat.

-I'm just going to guess on this one because I don't know your reference, but given the angle on the rest of the face it looks like we should juuuuust barely be able to see the opposite corner of the mouth. Maybe. Like I said, you'll need to check it on your own, just telling you what I'm seeing.

Your hair is very well-rendered, by the way. The "shine" reads well, and I like the intensity of her eyes.

... Wait, is that Michael Jackson? :worry:


VVV You mean Angelina Jolie? VVV
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Is it the girl from Mr. & Mrs. Smith? What's her name?
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Rufum Ru Sudily!
humbleego
Feb 9 2006, 04:23 PM
Is it the girl from Mr. & Mrs. Smith? What's her name?

Andrew Johnnys?
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Angelina Jolie
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ah, ok. yup... sorry.. ok, thanks :P
Angenfil loving those skethes :D
edit: woah, do i have a lisp or something :P sketches
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NOOB!
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Anghen i really enjoyed those animal n dragons *eeww..enjoyed*

Please make a short tutorial on how to contstruct the four legged wonders.

[/OMG NOOB ASKED FOR HELP]
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Anghenfil
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Sure. Do you mean just how to draw them or what's my process for coming up with them?
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i haven't a clue,i only just discovered that i have never attempted animals,except a horse :lol:

so a bit of both would be great :)
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Anghenfil
Feb 9 2006, 04:57 AM
Sure. Do you mean just how to draw them or what's my process for coming up with them?

Perhaps a lesson in quadraped autonamy?
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Neo_uk
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Hey

Heres a few pencil sketches... Its a shame that a lot of the detailed work was lost during the scanning :(.

Heres a 2 pictures:


I wanted to give the idea of a sort of Greek citizen.. I know i over-worked the Solar-plexus (???) bit.. (the bit underneath the chest) :(

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Wood-elf style.. the backhand with the staff has been lost due to scanning *sigh*

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Crits pleaaaaaase :D *cough* humble, Anghenfil, juggles, comlock *cough cough* ;)
-Jack


*EDIT* And NOOB! ur in the list too! haha :D
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Alistair
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its really quite a nice bit of work must of taken some time
but the first picture his face doesnt have that much detail (shading texture etc.)
but is an amazing piece
picture 2 only the face needs a bit of shading and stuff personally but thats just me :lol:
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great shading jack. the first one is great. nice pose. the chest seems a little flat and rather than making him look lean it sorta makes him look too skinny. I kinda agree with u on the solar plexus area. the defined ribs again make him look starved rather than lean.and rather than the ribs running diagonally/vertically, i feel they shud be more rounded around the body. plus the solar plexus area is a little too low. it tends to be just below the chest area.

The arms are quite well done. makes him look buff. (how gay am i sounding). I think the top of his right arm/ bicep, just below the arm pit, is a little off to me.

The left sholder, there seems to be a flat area just below the ball of the shoulder. im being picky here, but i think it looks okay. his ear cud be moved forward a little.

BTW, humans are definately NOT my strong area, but i hope what i have said is ok. im always worried incase im talking shite lol, but i think ang, and comlock and the noob, can sort this one out for ya. ;)
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Feb 10 2006, 06:44 AM
great shading jack. the first one is great. nice pose. the chest seems a little flat and rather than making him look lean it sorta makes him look too skinny. I kinda agree with u on the solar plexus area. the defined ribs again make him look starved rather than lean.and rather than the ribs running diagonally/vertically, i feel they shud be more rounded around the body. plus the solar plexus area is a little too low. it tends to be just below the chest area.

The arms are quite well done. makes him look buff. (how gay am i sounding). I think the top of his right arm/ bicep, just below the arm pit, is a little off to me.

The left sholder, there seems to be a flat area just below the ball of the shoulder. im being picky here, but i think it looks okay. his ear cud be moved forward a little.

BTW, humans are definately NOT my strong area, but i hope what i have said is ok. im always worried incase im talking shite lol, but i think ang, and comlock and the noob, can sort this one out for ya. ;)

Thanks juggys.

I agree with u on the ribs.. I was kinda aiming for defining the muscles and ribs together in that area.. but it turned out wrong haha :P. Thanks for the diagram too.

The chest muscles bit is also a good point! ...When drawing it, i tried to make them more.. plump but it looked slightly wrong. I had a moment of confusion between the two and i chose that version... and then fixed it with fixitive haha.. <_< .. but yeah, i really should of just tried getting somewhere in the middle.

And your right, the middle joint of the ribs should be higher *i just had a grope of my rib cage haha*

Lol, dont worry about sounding gay.. ur not the one who has drawn a half-naked man wearing only a loyn (sp?) cloth, hehe.

Thanks!
-Jack
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A word about scanning:

It is really frustrating when you scan your recent pencil work for posting and it comes out all faded and lacking the detail or contrast you worked so hard to include.

If you aren't going to post-process your image with Curves or Levels in PS after scanning (where most of that data can be recovered), then take a look at your scanner settings.

Most scanners automate the process for the Lowest Common Denominator user, and we all know that doesn't include anyone in this forum :) The automation tries to guess what you want by what it sees, and since it thinks you are an office worker scanning pics for a monthly report, that usually isn't good enough.

So here are some steps to better scans:

-scan at a higher DPI (75 is for screen, but doesn't get much data on the scan pass, so set it for 150 and then reduce your image size 50% in PS. Higher DPI settings will result in very large files, so consider what you want to work with before you decide.)

-do a preview scan first and then use the bounding box to select only the area you want to scan. If that area is just a tiny part of the whole pic, you can then set the DPI very high (600 or more) to get as much data out of that area as possible.

-set it to Greyscale instead of colour (for greyscale pics, natch)

-UNcheck any Descreen or Unsharp Mask options (these are for cleaning up CMYK print dots and sharpening up blurry images. You don't want the machine deciding if your careful detail needs to be "fixed")

-check to see if you have the latest updates for your scanner. If not then DL the latest drivers/firmware/etc from your scanner manufacturer's site).

-open up your Advanced options (they must be in there somewhere so look around or consult your manual/help files). Use the Histogram and/or Curve panels, experimenting to get a better scan.

-Histogram crunches the blacks or whites to a max/min value and is data "lossy". It is fine for most uses, but if you want to get a high-res print of your scan later then stick with Curves.

-Curves uses algorithms to recalculate the image and so doesn't lose the data. Try a nice S curve pushing the whites up and bringing the blacks down to increase contrast. For thin, faint pencil lines, bring the blacks down without pushing up the white. Maybe try putting a central point in the curve and adjusting that.

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You can get quick improvements by using the black and white eyedrop/sample tool that comes with most scanner software. Just zoom in and sample the darkest pixel in your image for black and then sample empty paper for white (if applicable). Make adjustments after sampling for better results.

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*And yes, I know I have simplified these explanations, but not to the LCD :)

kib
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Malakym
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kib, were you sent by the gods to save this forum? because that is what you're doing.

i just reconfigured my scanner. things look much better now. :P
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kib
Feb 10 2006, 08:25 AM
A word about scanning:

It is really frustrating when you scan your recent pencil work for posting and it comes out all faded and lacking the detail or contrast you worked so hard to include.

If you aren't going to post-process your image with Curves or Levels in PS after scanning (where most of that data can be recovered), then take a look at your scanner settings.

Most scanners automate the process for the Lowest Common Denominator user, and we all know that doesn't include anyone in this forum :) The automation tries to guess what you want by what it sees, and since it thinks you are an office worker scanning pics for a monthly report, that usually isn't good enough.

So here are some steps to better scans:

-scan at a higher DPI (75 is for screen, but doesn't get much data on the scan pass, so set it for 150 and then reduce your image size 50% in PS)

-set it to Greyscale instead of colour (for greyscale pics, natch)

-UNcheck any Descreen or Unsharp Mask options (these are for cleaning up CMYK print dots and sharpening up blurry images. You don't want the machine deciding if your careful detail needs to be "fixed")

-open up your Advanced options (they must be in there somewhere, if not DL the latest drivers/firmware/etc for your scanner) and use the Histogram and Curve panels, experimenting to get a better scan

-Histogram crunches the blacks or whites to a max/min value and is data "lossy" so don't use this if you want to get a high-res print of your scan later

-Curves uses algorithms to recalculate the image and so doesn't lose the data. Try a nice S curve pushing the whites up and bringing the blacks down to increase contrast


*And yes, I know I have simplified these explanations, but not to the LCD :)

kib

omg! kib, u should be in the list too! hehe

ANd yes, i think kib is a human(maybe) shaped ball of Knowledge.. as he knows everything this side of Israel (which if u think about it.. is everything... coz the world is continueus... think about it).

I scanned the pictures at 600dpi haha :P.

Thanks for the advice!

I think that maybe kib is a bot that was installed in the forum, with huge databases of knowledge from every book/training in existence................... or your just insanely useful :)

-Jack
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Neo_uk
Feb 10 2006, 06:21 AM

Wood-elf style.. the backhand with the staff has been lost due to scanning *sigh*
*Image..

The clothes.... that's really nice :D
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Neeeoooo!! have u had an interview yet,if not,try and find a life drawing class,those interviewers will get a boner over that sorta stuff.

if not keep at it,i can't say more than has already been said,anatomy is difficult unless u see from all angles *hence life drawing* this way u can see where everything goes.

keep at it man,great improvement!
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