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| Anghenfil | Aug 15 2006, 05:09 AM Post #5601 |
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Krall, if you give me an earth-like creature on an earth-like planet, of course I'm going to give you earth-like herding advice. As for you adamant reasoning for the arms... well, you can do whatever you want. But I'm a little bored with your lack of willingness to break from the norm. Your sketches are generally nice, though. Study some animal anatomy so you can get a firmer grasp on their structure. Mal, from my understanding, kunoichi dress like that mostly in the pop culture version of them. Kunoichi were often disguised as geisha or other servants, but you're right, it's really hard to find much information on them, so you might as well be correct. :lol: |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 05:11 AM Post #5602 |
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| Krall | Aug 15 2006, 05:35 AM Post #5603 |
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How are the Gru'jal Terra-like? And all you know about their planet is that there is long yellow grass and big predators.
Just because I gave them arms doesn't mean that they're not original. I doubt there are many fictional alien races which are original, totally unlike humans, and not total cliches.
Different planets, different anatomy.  @Malakym: She's carrying a sword, sword=be on your guard. This isn't Austin Powers, where you can easily lure one inept guard into a pit of lava by showing off your breasts. If anyone sees a girl with a sword, especially a scantily clad girl with a sword, people are going to be on their guard. |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 05:42 AM Post #5604 |
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:lol: you act like this is supposed to be utterly realistic. I didnt know you were the reality nazi. I'm not making this a fucking historical notation. It's fiction. I have creative liberties. Also, There are certain ways to conceal a sword, not to mention most people in the time period armed themselves. A sword is definitley in bounds. And trust me. You can accomplish a lot by showing off your boobs.  It's sad but true.
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| Krall | Aug 15 2006, 06:50 AM Post #5605 |
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There may be certain ways to conceal a sword, but most of them involve clothing, which she... doesn't have alot of. Besides, female ninja weren't like the male ninja, they weren't infiltrating compounds, knocking out the guards, stealing vital information, and getting out. They were disguising themselves and working their way into high-up men's social lives so they could learn things from them. And they definitely never wore that kind of costume. ...Hold on, I thought you said your other ninja [or ninjaesque person] was in the 1700's not feudal Japan, is this one in the 1700's too? Edit: BTW, that four armed thingy I drew? It's now no longer a Y'ymir, it's just that I didn't have a design for the Y'ymir, the Y'ymir were meant to be insect-like and that drawing was insent-like so I thought 'let's just say it's a Y'ymir', but they seem too benevolent to be Y'ymir [before you say '7-foot tall aliens with four arms huge claws, rows of big sharp teeth isn't benevolent' it's far too benevolent for the Y'ymir, far, far too benevolent  ]. I've they're going to be a different alien race. They need a name though.P.S.: Anghenfil, I think you'll like the Y'ymirs' new design, no arms this time.
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| Ravenseye | Aug 15 2006, 07:00 AM Post #5606 |
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Holy crap krall chill out. For one thing i think it was kind as hell for Anghenfil to give you advice and crit your character. At any time i would love for anyone to do it with my work and like Hadone2many did with my last sketch i explained how i saw it i didnt get defensive and flip out on the person who was criting me cous they didnt see it like me. No one ever said you had to do anything different with your character they were just giving you advice on how to improve and its your choice if you take the advice. Malak its coming along nicely and i hope you do decided to do them eyes! I hate drawing hands but if we keep practicing we will get better! |
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| bodot | Aug 15 2006, 07:27 AM Post #5607 |
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Commercial: Buy me!  Bo |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 08:31 AM Post #5608 |
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That's a pretty strong claim to make seeing as you've never met or seen a ninja in person. Didn't I say before that ninja kept almost everything about themselves secret? It may be true that the female ninja did more undercover work, but it's a pretty big assumtion that they did nothing like their male counterparts. Also, seeing as this is fictional and based off my interpretation of ninja, Im pretty sure i could make her naked and have 10 swords if I wanted. You know why? Because this is a fictional character. I can do whatever the hell I want. If you can make up aliens, I can decide what my ninja characters wear. I'm willing to accept crits. But i dont like being told what I can or cannot draw because it doesnt add up to someone elses opinion. And yes. She, too, is in the 1700's. |
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| Ravenseye | Aug 15 2006, 09:09 AM Post #5609 |
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Haha go malakym! Whats the point of drawing a fictional character if its not fictional!
I looked at your shading and such on the one you posted in finished art. Your pritty good at doing some shading in flash.
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 09:11 AM Post #5610 |
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i did the shading in photoshop. the only thing i did in flash was trace over my sketch with the brush tool. This achieves smoother lines. I then exported it to photoshop where i colored and shaded it. |
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| HadOne2Many | Aug 15 2006, 09:16 AM Post #5611 |
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I've been looking for a way to make my lines cleaner. I havent quite nailed it in Photoshop. I'm gonna give this (Flash) a try, any suggestions for brush, size, etc? I'm new to Flash, and the only version I have is MX, will this be an issue? |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 09:18 AM Post #5612 |
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MX is probably much better than what I have. For brush sizes, it all depends on how thick you want them. keep in mind that ass you zoom in, the brush size will apply in it's current size, so zooming in will make the brush smaller anyways. Also, you should definitley have a wacom tablet when doing this technique. put the pressure sensitivity on for the brush, and you'll be fine. You wont nail it right away unless you're pretty damn good, so just keep practicing. |
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| HadOne2Many | Aug 15 2006, 09:24 AM Post #5613 |
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Thanks, I've got a wacom but I've been hesitant on having to learn a new program. The cleanliness of your lines is motivating me though :). |
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| Anghenfil | Aug 15 2006, 09:33 AM Post #5614 |
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Getting really clean lines in Photoshop is just lots of patience and a a solid brush with 100% opacity and flow. It also helps to zoom in. A lot. But learning in flash is more efficient in the long run. |
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| Ravenseye | Aug 15 2006, 09:42 AM Post #5615 |
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This time around i started off with just doing a spider. Then i felt like ya know what im going to try giving it a little bit of texture so i looked at some spider pictures and saw one with bright orange hair and i figured i would try giving the spider i drew some of that so here they are. (without hair)  (with hair)  Crits away as always. |
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| HadOne2Many | Aug 15 2006, 10:28 AM Post #5616 |
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I've been using the zoom in photoshop but I find that I don't have the endurance to keep it up. It takes me a very long time to produce results as good as what you just posted. Here's a (still very rough) sketch I just started. I'm gonna make 2 clean pics of it, one in photoshop and the other in flash and compare the results vs time spent. Any crits before I get started? Oh, the thing in her hand will be a staff.  Ravenseye, by adding the hair I think the picture improved tenfold, keep it up! EDIT: sorry the first pic is a little large, anyway here's my attempt with flash. I don't think its half bad for a first attempt, but I need much more practice. 
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 12:16 PM Post #5617 |
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Very good. Reminds me of the linework TheEye used for his first photoshop experiment. The only problem i can point out at the moment is her stomach/abs. in the sketch they are fine, but it the lined version, they look a little weird. try to lose the lower verticle line, or make it a little more subtle. |
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| Krall | Aug 15 2006, 04:19 PM Post #5618 |
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If you'd have said that earlier I would have shut up. Sorry. I still don't see why she has to be such a slut though... @HadOne2Many: She does eat, doesn't she? Better not let her do any heavy lifting or she might snap in two... But apart from that, it's a very good drawing. |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 04:46 PM Post #5619 |
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Well, since kunoichi sometimes disguised themselves as prostitutes, I think showing some skin is justified, dont you? Not once did I say she slept around. She's just dressed that way to help her seductive tactics. And what does time period have to do with anything? Is there some official law that says I cant a draw a girl with a short skirt that takes place in fuedel times, but if it takes place in the 1700's, well then everyone's damn skippy about it? Ah do what ah want!
Dude. Look at her legs. They're definitley meaty. I think she eats. Judging from that weapon in her hands, I'd say she gets quite a work out. Her arms aint to skinny either. It's a good sketch nonetheless. |
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| Krall | Aug 15 2006, 04:51 PM Post #5620 |
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Well, if it's in the 1700's it's not a ninja. Or, at least, it can't be ninja in this world, you can create an alternate world where the ninja just kept on going if you want.
Apparently, all the food went to her legs and bust, and none to her middle. Edit: Also, all the fingers on her right hand, are the same length as her thumb. |
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| Malakym | Aug 15 2006, 04:56 PM Post #5621 |
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Of course. I guess I forgot about that meteor that wiped out the ninjas a few hundred years ago. Too bad they're extinct in "this world". It's very kind of you to tell me what I can and cannot do with my drawings. I really appreciate it. <_< |
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| Rubberhead | Aug 15 2006, 05:01 PM Post #5622 |
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Her left hand thumb is too long, or her fingers start too low. BTW I'm allways interested in learning about ways to ink in Photoshop, like Riannon said it's just allot of patience, I once spend a week in PS on just the lines of a drawing, the result was a supercrisp and smooth line, but considering the effort is was just not worth it. The best way I think is to learn how to do it with a single sweep in Photoshop, but I find it very hard. Maybe programs such a Sketchbook or Painter where you can smooth out lines are the best way... |
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| Krall | Aug 15 2006, 11:09 PM Post #5623 |
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I think you'll find that's her RIGHT hand. This is the new design for the Y'ymir. It's meant to look... EVIL.  No arms this time.
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| KiWi | Aug 16 2006, 01:38 AM Post #5624 |
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Looks fluint Krall.
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| HadOne2Many | Aug 16 2006, 04:14 AM Post #5625 |
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 Malakym, I reworked the stomach a bit, does it look better now? Krall, I changed the hand slightly too. I think I fixed that problem. As far as her being too skinny, most of my characters have slightly exaggerated proportions. Similar to what you would find when picking up just about any comic book. No, it's not realistic, but its cool! Rubberhead, seems like you have the same type of problem as I do. Time spent vs quality. I have a design I've been working on off and on for about 6 months now. It is basically all lineart. It's a Tigers head done in a tribal tattoo style (Maybe I'll post it in the What are you working on thread). I have put no less than 60 hours into this and it is still less than half complete. The finished sections are amazingly crisp but I don't have the time or energy to do that on every drawing. I have sketchbook and have mainly used it just for sketches. I justed watched Comlock's Lineart tutorial last night and I really didn't see anything that would speed up the process or couldn't be done in Photoshop. I think I have painter somewhere, I've seen a Corel box on a shelf but it may be something else (my company gives me all these wonderful programs) Kiwi,  do you have some pent up agression?
It took me a minute to understand what was happening. Is that a political commentary?
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