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| darkheart17 | Jun 8 2005, 02:48 PM Post #1551 |
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Jet in regards to perspective. My art professors would smash the desk over your head if they heard that you were tracing. Tracing is good for getting an idea of how perspective works. Now in the comic world I dont know how it goes but if you really work on perspective with a ruler and a pencil and study it very well you can "fake it" later. What i mean is you work so hard on traditional perspective til the point you pretty much can free hand it without a ruler in your hand. Everything thats worth somethin is worth workin hard for !!!! I know you can do it!!! |
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| Colesif | Jun 8 2005, 03:01 PM Post #1552 |
Generally Uninterested.
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time to unveil the new lucky
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| Jettison | Jun 8 2005, 03:06 PM Post #1553 |
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Why am I so damn adament about this, you may be asking? I saw this picture, and I thought...this guy puts out a new comic every month...hes BUSY...where the hell would he find the time to draft something of this caliber?? Am I missing something? Is there a computer program out there that helps you with this stuff? Are you gonna tell me that picture was done completely by imagination? I hope everyone out there is listening, because Im putting myself on the line by even mentioning the word tracing in here...All the aart I have EVER posted has been original...It wasnt until a couple weeks ago that I got my new computer set up, and decided I wanted to begin a comic.... So I joined up on a few comic forums, and started looking at people's work...I came across that image, along with a few other from that series, and recognized a "pattern"...while the characters were designed well, the precision of the perspective of vehicles and architecture far outmatched the characters....It made me ask the question...here is the thread I began over at Image comics forum http://imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=3376 I want my comic to look cool, I want my character to be able to ride on a motorcycle that LOOKS real without dedicating years of my life studying engineering and architecture.....Am I whining? What gives....comments?? |
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| -AnTiSeAl- | Jun 8 2005, 03:20 PM Post #1554 |
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Theres a difference between refrencing and copying. Lots of people do different things for this manner. In manga, backgrounds are re used HIGHLY, or, the artist will learn to draw a single scene (I.E. a well forested area) and draw it in whenever he needs a forest in the background. As for urban places, most of it is done with referencing real photos. I mean, what better way to raw a convinging background than to reference a real one? I know that in alot of anime, like Naruto or Bleach for example. Some artists would take a little picture of thier alleyway, or down a street and bisiclly copy and alter to fit thier needs. I guess it wouldnt be copying if you took the photo, then recreated it with the same elements, adding and removing things. But hey, drawing background aint the funnest thing in the world, in fact most animated productions have artists specifically for doing backgrounds (and those take a looong time to finish too) Its kind of like a puzzle, pulling in different elements from differnt places. Im sure professionals who a indie artists trace photos because A) they dont have the time,
Just drawing a million character cells saps your working endurance and C)Its much faster than trying to think it up themselves. If i where you ide just take some pictures of interesting background, put your own "style" or spin on it, then use it. But me for one have never traced nor used a single refence in any of my drawings activly, which some say im stupid for, but i like to take pride in it becuase im stubborn like that. But hey, its alot harder that way too >.< Besides, whos gonna notice anyway, i doubt people will jump out a bush yelling "Git im'!!! ee' traces!!!!" Moral is, if it looks good, go for it. |
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| cobex | Jun 8 2005, 03:59 PM Post #1555 |
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whats that image on your desktop? |
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| Jettison | Jun 8 2005, 04:06 PM Post #1556 |
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Thats the way Im leaning AntiSeal... I see comic book covers that look like someone airbrushed over a Maxim covergirl...This IS NOT what Im talking about.....one could easily reference (eyeball, no paper to paper tracing) that photo, and stylize it to where they borrowed the elements they needed, and still succesfully stylized it so It wasnt recognizable any more...THATS NOT CHEATING (I went to art school)...And you are also right about animated movies, and the ungodly amount of time spent on those backgrounds.... From a comic book perspective...a penciller is expected to draw 25-30 pages in a month....characters, backgrounds, EVERYTHING....a lot of comic artists agree that photo referencing is acceptable, if not NECESSARY to stay on time....Certain comic artists actually TRACE photos for there backgrounds...Im talking Marvel comics here! Its a "realistic" style that is hot right now....Where I think people misunderstand me is when I talk about tracing a photo....  Take this for example, I am tracing the contours and perspective of the car....bypassing countless hours of drafting that perspective....Now if I were to print that last red outline image out, and flesh it out on my own...Is that cheating? Is that copyright infringement? Am I trampling all over 2000 years of artistice evolution and development? Or am I saving time and effort? This is the question I am tossing out there... |
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| Cave_King | Jun 8 2005, 04:26 PM Post #1557 |
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You have been throwing it out there sence the last page, ease up man. Niether NOOB or anybody else cares for how you do/draft your perspective. Do it how you want to do it my friend, whatever works best for you right. In high school we were taught perspectives and I use that to my advantage by doin' all my drawings on my own and on the finish product I can say.. "Whoa jeez I cant believe I did this". But if you werent taught perspective I understand. By the way you got skillz for a comic book artist, keep it up. |
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| thirstyforchicken | Jun 8 2005, 04:43 PM Post #1558 |
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Just as long as you're drawing it's fine in my opinion. w00000. Demon Days is magic. 
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| Cave_King | Jun 8 2005, 04:46 PM Post #1559 |
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Maybe a younger version of 2D? |
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| Jemooky | Jun 8 2005, 04:55 PM Post #1560 |
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You raise some interesting points with the tracing, but I don't think it's justified most of the time. So you can trace a car or a building, woopie. You can't make it from another angle, because you don't have a picture for that. Check this car out. Fairly slick looking, but could it have been done without tracing? No way, not without more practice. What a time saver that is. But can it be made when the angle is titled 3 degrees? Not likely. Was anything learned from tracing the car? Nope. I think if you want to trace, that's groovy, but it's not art, and you're not helping yourself. THat's just my point of view. Go ahead and argue it, but I'll just say now that not only do I already know your point of view, but I respect it. I'm not trying to change your mind. Colesif- I don't see too much difference between the old and new lucky, but I really like that stance he's in. Edit: TFC, 2D is the greatest. |
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| Jettison | Jun 8 2005, 05:35 PM Post #1561 |
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No. I am not trying to argue, only make my point clear (you got my point), and to hear what people's opinions are regarding it...thats all.... |
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| dawhat | Jun 8 2005, 06:05 PM Post #1562 |
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Yup, gonna try to do a sketch or two a day all summer if not more! I know the hair and the ear suck major ass but other then that. how's it look? 
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| NOOB! | Jun 8 2005, 06:26 PM Post #1563 |
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:lol: wow i'm a legend? lol nah its cool.wasn't really an arguement,more of a debate. com looking good!! nice desktop wall paper,i've seen that pic before of the rock man,are u tryin to mislead people so they think u did it?? lol can't wait for the short. ........................ jet,cave is right,i don't care,i gave out sum advice,what u choose to do with it after is up 2 u.i'm just dissapointed that u say u depend on money to become a better artists *these dudes get paid do it etc etc.*and like my dad always told me,don't put all ur eggs in one basket,u shud be open to learn everything.thats the last thing i'll say on the matter.good luck  ...... dawhawt thats a great attempt!! just keep in mind the structure of the skull too,it looks like he has several broken bones *cheeks etc* keep at it. |
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| Comlock | Jun 8 2005, 08:30 PM Post #1564 |
These are my leafs:
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So you would have something to ask about.
Yes, Kinda  But No, I didnt draw it. I have it there as an inspiration, while im doing my new golem painting. Link to image(my wallpaper at the moment) Jason Chan's incredible art homepage |
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| cobex | Jun 8 2005, 08:38 PM Post #1565 |
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waaa, wat do you mean __________ that guys page is sick |
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| crumb | Jun 8 2005, 08:40 PM Post #1566 |
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nice drawing of Damon (2d!) (well IT looks like!!)  i love blur... .....so much.. not so much Gorillaz. Nice drawing :rolleyes:
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| NOOB! | Jun 8 2005, 08:49 PM Post #1567 |
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yeh man,i've been a fan of jasons work for a while now,first saw his work summer last year i think.and i was actually gunna show u that pic a while back,cos i saw it and thought of u.*this was when u sed u where leavin*but glad ur inspired yet again! TFC i missed that,great work on 2d! |
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| juggleballz | Jun 8 2005, 09:02 PM Post #1568 |
I'm loose, full of juice and ready for use!
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i have to agree with jettison on this. if a comic artists aint getting paid enought to painsakingly draw some really intricate, weird angled, slow processed piece of art, why not frigging trace it. AS LONG AS HE/SHE KNOWS DEEP DOWN THAT IF THEY HAD TO, THAT THEY COULD DRAW IT FROM IMAGINATION AS WELL. but i also agree with NOOB at the same time. everyone should be open to learning new shit. from the stuff ive seen of jettison, this dude knows how to draw well. and also noob is as good as jettison (if not a lil bit better (only cuz ive seen more his stuff)) so its obvious that a conflict can arise cuz 2 great artists dont like to accept advice from one another, like as if they are scoring points. another example of this if me. im more of a clay modelling type of dude, so if someone i barely know starts telling me how to do something i feel i can do without help, id get pissed off too. lol ya getme? [/my2cents] to HungryforChickenSoup: great gorillaz pic man. looks good. is that supposed to be goRIllAz? to Jettison: Spiffing dawhat: keep it up man, more ya practice more ya better. looking fine. working from reference is actually a good way to start off man, or whip out a mirror and strike a pose. VOGUE! |
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| NOOB! | Jun 8 2005, 09:12 PM Post #1569 |
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that debate is over jugz,leave it. Just keep at it guys,and if u don't want crits and ur the defensive type,there really isn't any point in u posting here.If u want to show off ur stuff,post it in look at my stuff this is more of an in depth critting thread than a showcasing thread. thanks. |
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| crumb | Jun 8 2005, 09:13 PM Post #1570 |
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i like him, but hes cool small.... be cool to see lucky vs munch (both small!!)
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| juggleballz | Jun 8 2005, 09:17 PM Post #1571 |
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lol, no worries man, i wasnt trying to start it back up again. its just im always late for shizney like this, and im also a peacekeeper (until pissed off) so i just wanted to pitch in my 2 cents. (as always lol) any arguments should be settles through sketch battling .. (does anyone even use it anymore? i dont have time)
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| Cave_King | Jun 8 2005, 09:29 PM Post #1572 |
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Heres a lil somethin. Playin around with cracks and viens.. theres somethin about them cracks that smels funny. 
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| NOOB! | Jun 8 2005, 09:55 PM Post #1573 |
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the cracks look like viens. u seem to have white highlights on the viens,which works..but with the cracks u don't need em highlights,becuase cracks go in,they don't stick out like viens. so just use dark lines. the hand is a bit off too *but not majorly*,ur best bet wud be to use ur own hand in the mirror as a guide. great job overall cave. |
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| Cave_King | Jun 8 2005, 10:16 PM Post #1574 |
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Thanks NOOB Ill have another shot at them cracks. Yeah the hands off, wasnt to worried about that. |
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| Bussman | Jun 8 2005, 10:17 PM Post #1575 |
FLASH GENIUS (I wish...)
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sweeeet action!!! Man what a great artist Jason is... |
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