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Septaglyphs; how to use and read them
Topic Started: Apr 17 2005, 04:41 PM (12,041 Views)
chluaid
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A couple of months ago I came up with a new way of writing B525 that involves just one symbol per word. After some time in development, I believe it's quite solid and will work well. Here's how it works:

Imagine a 7-sided figure with a centre point, and with d, r, m, etc going clockwise around the outside points:

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This is the basis for b525 septaglyphs.

Now every word in b525 starts from the centre, and the direction of that first line will show the first syllable in the word.

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Single syllable words such as 'd' (above) are capped, to indicate that it's a 1syllable word.

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Later you won't need the septagon as a guide, so the cap on the end serves as an indication of where the line starts and finishes (so you don't confuse it with others).

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Two syllable words are written by making the line from the centre to the first syllable, then drawing another line to the next syllable. There are a few rules for these lines:

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There should only be one straight line in the word, and that is for the first syllable. All other lines are curved, and again, this helps to identify the start of the word when you're not using the septagon frame as a guide.

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When skipping one letter, always curve the line inwards. As shown above, this makes it clear that the only two syllables in this word are D and M.

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When skipping two letters as with 'df' (above), the line should have a slender 'S' shape that first curves away from the first syllable.

So here are some further examples of two syllable words:

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Now double syllables are indicated with a little circle. Like this:

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mms - roof, ceiling. The circle is on the M point, meaning that there's a double 'm' followed by 's'

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tmm - claw, nail. The first syllable above is 't' followed by a double 'm'.

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llr - skin. Double 'l' followed by 'r'.

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In 3-syllable words, going back to a syllable is indicated by a little line along that of the second syllable. For example, in lrl, the first line goes from the centre to 'L', then the s-shape line to 'R'. To indicate going back to 'L', draw a smaller line along the 'r' line, like this:

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lrl - know, understand.

Here are some other examples of this:

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rsr - each, every.

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With 3-syllable words of other configurations, it's just a matter of drawing lines from the first syllable then to the others. The only thing you really need to be careful of is the curves. From now on, we'll see the 3-syllable words without the help of the coloured syllables around the outside:

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lrt - between.

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lsl - swim.

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trd - kill, destroy.

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mrm - gender.

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lsr - sister.

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Finally, now that you know how they work, look at the following words and see how easy it is to recognise and read them:

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Enjoy!








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Chr!st Muff!n
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What a great idea. I love the concept. Not only is it easy, but looks like cool ancient glyph kinda stuff.
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cool way of b525, very creative :bing: [size=1](<--scary face)[/size]
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omg! thats what they were on about! :lol:
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demented_yam
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:o

i wish i had seen this before i wasted a half an hour on that new chase of yours

<_<
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haha, yeah lucky me getting back into solesol the same day as The Chase
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Lol i still dont get it :(
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um wer do i find the #dictionary??? :blink: :(
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chluaid
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I could just post the link here for you.. but it's in this very forum, so I think you should have a look around ;)
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Okay. far be it from me to suggest changes. :rolleyes: But, during this hunt I personally found one aspect of Septaglyphs troublesome. This is when you have a word in which you use 3 letters that are adjacent, such as DTL.

Everything else works beautifully without the shape aid except this. I was wondering if you'd consider making a distinction in line or mark to make the difference between words like DT and DTL clearer. When I tried to complete the last task of the hunt, I had to redo it because:
A. I'm stupid
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B. Because the difference between the two is fairly subtle.

That said, I love the simplicity of the characters and wouldn't want to muck that up. I think they'll work great with say doing them with a calligraphy pen. All said and done, I messed around with ideas and though I'd share.

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I thought this way, you could have messy writing and still be clear in these cases. Not a sermon, just a thought. :bfoot:
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chluaid
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yeah man, those are good ideas and as I said in another thread here somewhere, B525 is great because when you want to embrace the language and come up with your own ways of doing/communicating stuff, it allows you to do that. Personally I think it's easy to differentiate dr from drm because the curve is either short or long. However, I don't see a problem with using a dot or a dash to help you to recognise the lines.. just like there are dialects of various languages, I think there's no harm in creating your own dialect.

I also think that in the beginning of learning any language, you're going to find stumbling blocks like this... after you've familiarised yourself with it, I'm pretty sure you'll look at it in a month and go "why did I ever think I needed dots or dashes?" (possibly :P )
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True, this was my first go with it. I'm surprised there weren't more blocks. I like doing the Septaglyphs alot, it's sort of like a more organized (or predictable) Chinese. I think if a set of flash cards were developed, one could probably memorize just the characters and be set.

It's wierd though, I found these easier to use than the individual letters like DTL, DM, etc. After about a hour of messing with that translation, I could tell a few characters without need of breaking them down. I think it might have to do with the fact the glyphs appear completely foriegn, so there are no double associations.

This is making me want to learn Chinese or Japanese... or better yet, Sanskrit! :D
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chluaid
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yep that was my sole intention for developing these, i.e. to give a visual cue for remembering individual words. I'm finding them to be very helpful in that way... glad you think so too :D
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I am pretty confused with the language of the yu-yu's. :wacko:
I will learn though. I need to!
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Conger
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yeah.... i'll never be able to learn this. :(
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chluaid
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there's plenty of resources in this forum to help you learn... or at least make it easier. Just remember a new word each day and you'll be fluent within a very short time

mff dr!
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Oh wow...I found this thread only after I had gone and deciphered it, lol. This was pretty simple looking...it was like...seven points..and that thing has three lines that rotate around and hit every point...and I knew there were seven syllable things to choose from so I was like...duh haha...I love this Adam. This will help me learn SolReSol, cos I'm a visual learner type. I just have to wait for this summer break to start so I can get time on my hands to learn(only cos I won't do a word a day...I will sit and do everything all day and everyday hahaha)
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hahah cool .. I think I'm becoming obsessed. I started learning a word a day, and now I'm learning a phrase a day. I've really started to internalise the language and I'm starting to think in it... now that's weird. The septaglyphs are great for visual reminders of the words too, and when I'm having trouble remembering a word, I'll write the septaglyph and then it's pretty hard to forget it :++:
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Okay I have just gotta ask.....
As you are learning the phrases and words, are you learning to speak them too?
The idea that in the near future there may be people fluent enough to actually converse in SoReSo is fascinating to say the least!
Especially when you start considering what sorts of "regional" dialects we could end up with......
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Damn Adam..... there arent very many people who create thier own language man! I'm not sure if I should follow through with the Brackenwood Cult and idolize you, or if I should be totally freaked out by you! :P
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be freaked out man.. it makes me feel more interesting :fpbls:

and yep I'm learning to speak them which I consider to be the core skill for the language (along with recognition of the words and syllables).. I'm leaving musical notes, colours, numbers, hand signals, etc, until later. The plan is to become fluent and very familiar with the basics before starting on another area. It's heaps of fun creating this language and seeing it in action on this forum.. I'm the only one I know of who can actually say stuff pretty fluently though, so I expect I'll be kinda lonely in that regard... (at least until the next Brackenwood movie comes out!).
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I'm learning to say a few basic 2 syllable words. It's a little tougher than I thought it would be.
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chluaid
May 4 2005, 07:45 AM
be freaked out man.. it makes me feel more interesting :fpbls:

and yep I'm learning to speak them which I consider to be the core skill for the language (along with recognition of the words and syllables).. I'm leaving musical notes, colours, numbers, hand signals, etc, until later. The plan is to become fluent and very familiar with the basics before starting on another area. It's heaps of fun creating this language and seeing it in action on this forum.. I'm the only one I know of who can actually say stuff pretty fluently though, so I expect I'll be kinda lonely in that regard... (at least until the next Brackenwood movie comes out!).

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Oh my lord..... a clue about the movie at long last!!! (Even though it is such a small one.....) :lol:
Well I may have to record the spoken bits so I can replay them 50 times and decipher them.... but recognition will come eventually! That will actually be a very good way to start learning the spoken form of the language. Just as the glyph sytem aided me in learning the start of SoReSo itself.

And dont worry Adam.... I think Im over being freaked out by you..... although I still have no clue what you will come up with next! :P
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Ugh, I don't know what to respond to the secret question... I tried translating it and that won't work! Aiyee!
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