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B525 Announcement; Bigger and Better in v2
Topic Started: May 21 2005, 01:02 AM (1,289 Views)
chluaid
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I'm about to release V2 of B525. While there are a few words you'll need to unlearn, there's no need to worry... everything is basically the same with improvements that make it much easier to learn and much more effective to communicate.

[size=7]The first major change[/size] is the name. Now it's called [size=7]Sarus[/size].

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[size=7]The second major change[/size] is to the 2-syllable words. The 2-syll words starting with R no longer belong to the D group.. remember this is how it was:

dr = me - - rd = mine
dm = you - - rm = yours
df = him - - rf = his
ds = her - - rs = hers
etc..

The problem with that, was that it completely messed up the backwards/opposite concept for the 2-syll words. The backwards/opposite concept has always made it easier to learn and remember the language, so it's something I've fought hard to make consistent. So now it's like this:

dr = me - - rd = mine
dm = you - - md = mine
df = him - - fd = his
ds = her - - sd = hers
etc..

Now, any Sarus word up to three syllables spoken backwards will either mean the opposite, or it will be closely related.

It's worth mentioning here that the backwards/opposite rule only applies to words of 2 and 3 syllables only. It will not apply to 4 syllable words.

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[size=7]The third major change[/size] is that there are no longer any verbs in the 2-syllable words (in the current version there are four 2-syll verbs: do, have, come, go). Well, these four rogues are now 3 syllable words.

Apart from a few new rules to broaden the scope of the language, the remainder of the change is in the vocabulary. I have removed a whole bunch of useless words that are just not used in day-to-day communication, such as toe, elbow, knee, hip and all that crap. I have replaced them with practical words based on the request list in this forum, as well as other highly useful words that weren't in B525.

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[size=7]Next[/size], there are a few new rules of grammar. Some of you may have noticed in the Naming thread that I've used some 4-syllable words that can't possibly be plurals... well that's for the simple reason that plurals only apply to nouns. i.e., house, houses... tooth, teeth... person, people... etc.

When a similar rule is applied to verbs, the verb is changed to become the 'doer' of the verb. This differs from the plurals rule in that, where you would use the next syllable to make a plural, for example:

drs = person
drsl = people

..you would apply this to verbs by using the previous syllable. Therefore, if a three syllable verb ends in 'm', then you'd make the doer of the verb by adding 'r'. Like this:

tlm = hunt
tlmr = hunter

mdt = walk
mdtl = walker

Some of you might be saying 'why not just use consecutives for both plurals and 'doer's? Well the reason is because some words have dual meanings.. like the word 'FOOL'. It can be a verb 'I can fool anyone', or it can be a noun 'He's a fool'.

So we have different rules for the different variations on the word:

dlr = fool, trick
mdtl = trickster (one who tricks/fools people)
mdtd = fools (more than one fool)

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[size=7]Next[/size], as you probably know, using dd, rr and mm is how we say present and future tense for verbs.. such as

rrm = do
dd rrm = does (present)
rr rrm = did (past)
mm rrm = will do (future)

These three tenses can be used in the following ways:

dd = current
rr = previous
mm = next

therefore:

dd dms = today
rr dms = yesterday
mm dms = tomorrow

rr smd = last night
mm smd = tomorrow night

etc..
Note: to say 'today' it's not necessary to say dd dms... it will work in context to say:
dms dr mm drr dmt
[size=1](today I will go to work)[/size]

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[size=7]Finally[/size], superlatives. How do you say good, better, best? I'll post an in-depth thing later, but right now it's after midnight so here's a quick run-down. Basically, you use the doubles dd, rr, mm, ff, ss, etc to indicate degrees.

good = ms

here is the scale of degrees. You can see at the middle of the scale is ff ms. This is not a degree, but it's the name of the scale.

tt ms = best (most good)
ll ms = even better (even more good)
ss ms = better (more good)
ff ms = goodness
mm ms = less good
rr ms = even less good
dd ms = least good.

While this is a scale of goodness, you could say that dd ms is the same as saying tt sm:

dd ms = least good
tt sm = most bad (worst)

Other examples of scale names (using ff) are:

ff ltt = beauty
ff mrf = strangeness
ff dmm = happiness
ff dlm = speed
ff mrf = size
ff flm = frequency
ff mtf = intelligence
ff rlm = strength
ff ftm = stupidity

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[size=7]Summary[/size]: So as you can see, with a few additions and changes to the rules, the vocabulary has probably more than doubled, as there are now several degrees or grammatical variations on any given Sarus word.

In a few days, I'll update the online dictionaries.. until then, you can learn the new vocabulary through The TRANSLATOR, The EXAMINER and The MATCHMAKER. These all have the new 2 and 3 syll dictionary in them.
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chluaid
May 20 2005, 06:02 PM
So now it's like this:

dr = me - - rd = mine
dm = you - - md = yours
df = him - - fd = his
ds = her - - sd = hers
etc..

shouldn't it be

rd = yours ? :huh:
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Dryad62686
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glad I haven't started on listing the verbs in all their forms! would you still like me to work on that? (now including noun tenses, adjective degrees, etc.)
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Damnit... now I have to relearn some stuff... Oh well, I knew it was coming :fpbls:

*bangs head against wall*

There... alllll forgotten ^_^
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I feel your pain Vec...... just as I was getting comfortable with not having to run to the dictionary every other word.... and now changes!! :(

Is learning Sarus what made Bing Bong look like this??? :bing:
:lol:
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chluaid
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well like I said in the other thread, only a few meanings have changed. And I mean less than 5% of the entire dictionary. In fact I'll highlight the new bits when I update the dictionary today.
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Well, at least I don't have to relearn anything because I never really got fluent in v1. :lol:

Where does the new name come from?
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MiG
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Yeh, same here. But familiar enough with it that the new version kinda rocks. I dunno.. I think that even if I really knew soreso I'd still take to sarus just fine.

er.. did I get that right? Sarus? I guess SRS by any other name would smell as sweet. :P <_<

At any rate it does seem slightly easier (mebbe that's just me) and I'm hoping to be able to pick it up well enough to actually use. I suck at languages tho.

MiG

*Edit: Btw, Happy Belated Birfday, TheEye! I was on that day but held off on offering any greetings 'cause it wasn't "that day" in Alta yet. And then I didn't get back on until after. Anyway many happy returns old man! ;)
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chluaid
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Yep, like I said in the other thread, if you were really fluent with B525, then you'll need to unlearn a few words and learn a few others. But then if you were fluent with B525 then you'll have no trouble adapting to Sarus (yep it's SRS but with vowels in it :D)

Here's the new dictionary.. there's not much different but I've highlighted the changes so you can see exactly where they are.

English-Sarus Dictionary
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TheEYE
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Thanks for the belated wishes Mig! Appreciate it man! :D
And Adam, thanks for completing the new dictionary so quickly..... I think the general concept of a change in SRS freaked me out a bit. Looking at the new dictionary now though it's obvious that the changes arent near as dramatic as what I first envisioned.

And for the record.... the Sarus poetry comp sounds great man! ;)
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crumb
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i haven't been able to learn it caus i'm busy, i might learn it when i get back from england, how long did the dictionary take you?
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lol Adam you are going to have to change this whole forum-section name! :bing:
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chluaid
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done :D
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The Crysalis
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Hey Adam I can just see frantic mums and dads trying to help kids learn the language when Brackenwood becomes popular
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