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| humbleego | Apr 5 2006, 02:26 AM Post #1351 |
Adam's Illegitimate Son
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faux = fake I just meant that it the shadow didn't have to be caused by something in frame, just make it up.  BTW, what's the URL of your CG thread for this? |
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| Comlock | Apr 5 2006, 02:33 AM Post #1352 |
These are my leafs:
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oh, thanx. My URL for the CGthread: http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/jo...hallenger=10887 And thanx to you to Riannon=) and also for the way you defended Sensei Arthur ^^ I'll start some quick paintovers on the ant area, and post it later here |
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| TheEYE | Apr 5 2006, 03:01 AM Post #1353 |
Lurys Fey Daemyt
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I stopped in and checked out your thread last night Arthur, as well as your competition.... Keep at it man, I'm thinking you are doing far better then you think! There are so many people that have entered that only have the initial concept sketch up, while very few are at the point of even beggining coloring. I also managed to learn a few things by following your WIP progression from the start. So thanks for the indirect assistance in that! :lol: You really have me following this project with sincere interest Arthur! Looking forward to seeing how you combat your ant situation! 
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| NOOB! | Apr 5 2006, 04:39 AM Post #1354 |
The Token Black Guy
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:rolleyes: good luck with the cgchallenge com. just remember that your up against me :rolleyes: mwuahahah. dhahaha |
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| Comlock | Apr 5 2006, 05:04 AM Post #1355 |
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Thanx Eye and Noob=) here's the new rough paintover (exept for that last ant, I'll save it for later^^) I did some SSS on the two grasstraws aswell.  old  btw, ugly tangent on the females right foot hitting the tree trunk. Fix that later.. |
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| Pillow | Apr 5 2006, 05:07 AM Post #1356 |
SEX RED!!!
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nice! but the back right leg on the ant holding the rolled up canvas doesnt look quite right compared to how the body is turned... i think...either that or edit how the bottom pointy thing is pointing...i think |
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| humbleego | Apr 5 2006, 07:22 AM Post #1357 |
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Adam's Illegitimate Son
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I gotta be honest, Commie. Something has been itching me for bit now about this tree root and I've not said anything because I can't put my finger on it. It's got something to do with the distance between the ants and the girl. I've tried figuring out whether it's closeness in value or the shape of the root, but alas I've no solution. But, something just does not look right with that root. I don't feel it's receeding back in space to her at all. Am I the only one? Perhaps I'm just crazy. :wacko: |
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| Comlock | Apr 5 2006, 07:38 AM Post #1358 |
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No, it's not just you. If you compare the thickness of the log where the girl is, and where the ants are ( wich should be the same with) You,ll realise that the ants are realy HUGE! That wasnt what I planed tough. I also think I want to change the arc on that log too. Pillow: it could be that the leg is to short probably. Ill try to fix it. EDIT: Maby I could change the structure of that tree (But to something more betterlooking, than what I designed on the sketch)  But the original idea should work too I think, since the trunk gets thinner at the end:  (But It looks wrong on the painting) |
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| juggleballz | Apr 5 2006, 07:41 AM Post #1359 |
I'm loose, full of juice and ready for use!
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i didnt actually notice a problem from a distance Himble, but up close and after u mentioning it it does seem a a little off. It sorta looks like the trunk of the tree gets radically thick too soon from the roots and makes the distance shorter making the ants look bigger. [edit] looks like com got there first... (so yeah what Commie said) |
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| Conger | Apr 5 2006, 09:51 AM Post #1360 |
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Uhm... as many as it takes lol... i'm basically looking at the color in the photo, and trying to pick one as close as possible... Thanks to everyone else that commented... Here's an update, with reference  More crits, please! 
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| kib | Apr 5 2006, 09:54 AM Post #1361 |
Brackenwood Heavyweight
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Hey Comlock, I always thought that the people were supposed to be tiny, similar to the ants and that there was some relationship between them, like they were using the ants as pack animals or something. Now that I understand they are meant to be regular human:ant scale, perhaps there are some things that can help push that log back in space and show the scale more clearly. The most efficient, reliable ways to show depth are (as you know) contrast, saturation, overlap, repetition and line. You have high contrast close the viewer and low further away. Same with saturation of colour. Overlap is obvious and you could make use of it a bit more here by putting one or two objects (ants, branches, etc) in front of others behind them. The repetition and line are really going to help you out on the log. You can add branches at regular intervals going back into space, reducing them in size as they go. That will set up a framework in the viewers' mind telling them how far away things are. Bark patterns on the log will help you create lines that push away into the canvas, getting narrower, fainter and less saturated as they go. The ants are also a good opportunity for overlap and line. They are famous for marching in line, so why not take advantage of that (whether it is true or not) and have them, if not in a military parade, at least receding in an orderly fashion. The way the woman is sitting on the log was always a bit confusing to me. I get it now that I have seen your quick sketches above. Perhaps altering her pose a bit to fit against a big, straight tree will place her more understandably. Here's a quick sketch with some of these ideas:  Hope this helps. kib |
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| juggleballz | Apr 5 2006, 10:11 AM Post #1362 |
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I'm loose, full of juice and ready for use!
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wholy shitepipes kib nice bit of info there! great rough demo too. personally i prefer the arched trunk as i find it more dynamic and Kibs version (to me) sorta drags the eye to the ants moreso than to the characters, as it seems more dominant. but saying that, i wud probably need to see it altogether rather than the woman faded out with big red ants in the forground and the log being centralized. as an entire piece it probably wudnt be as dominating, so in other words, ignore this post lol. yeap, just looked at kibs again and i have to say i disagree with myself lol, the entire pic wud still look great either way with more attention on the characters. great bit of info there from Kib that ill have to remember.
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| sharkcellar | Apr 5 2006, 10:19 AM Post #1363 |
"l'enfer, c'est les autres" -Sartre
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I retract my critique because I hadn't looked at the rest of this thread. I didn't realize that I was looking at a detail and not the whole picture. Sorry Comlock. |
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| humbleego | Apr 5 2006, 10:46 AM Post #1364 |
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Adam's Illegitimate Son
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Wow, Commie, I never realized it was a bent tree like that. I thought we were seeing the base root of some tree behind the camera: I think Kib has some good ideas to get it to read better. |
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| ElectricGnort | Apr 5 2006, 11:06 AM Post #1365 |
Sargeant Dubious
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Woah, i thought the bottom half of the drawing was still a picture for awhile  Nice work! |
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| sharkcellar | Apr 5 2006, 11:20 AM Post #1366 |
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"l'enfer, c'est les autres" -Sartre
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Here is something I started recently. I really am pretty new to painting in PS. The amazing stuff I've seen from everyone else inspired me. I'm having trouble with the perspective in this. I can't seem to get the kid on the right side to be in scale correctly. I eyeballed the perspex so that's where my problem starts. |
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| C0mBineD | Apr 5 2006, 11:15 PM Post #1367 |
my name is written with a zero not an o
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I think the perspective looks fine on the kid. I like the drawing allready. please work on it a little more
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| Comlock | Apr 6 2006, 12:09 AM Post #1368 |
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Ah, yes! thanks for the crit Kib=) That realy gives a great depth to the picture. So Ill just let it be a thick branch sticking out of the tree then. Something like this:  Looks nice Sharkcellar=) Very intresting and fun composition. Maby you could make it better by folowing the "rule of the 3rd" (By letting the boy hit that far right vertical line and so on. I dont think it would look so nice on this picture though. unless you redraw everything in a new cam-angle)  I just reasently found out you can easily make those lines in ps by clicking: view, new guide (as shown on pic) Then when it asks about the distance you type 66,66% on horisontal and vertical. and 33,33% on horisontal/vertical. |
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| sharkcellar | Apr 6 2006, 12:59 AM Post #1369 |
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"l'enfer, c'est les autres" -Sartre
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Comlock, Thanks for the hints. You're talking about using the "golden mean", or "golden section". The "dog" (at the boy's right foot almost falls on one of those points.) Good call!  Bela Bartok's "Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste" is also supposedly based on this idea. About 2/3 of the way into the piece, the orchestra climaxes on a tritone. This piece is also a palindrome. You can hear it effectively used in Kubrick's "The Shining". I love the spiral. Ooh UZUMAKI!!Hey I'm trying to do your guides trick and it ain't working. This is what I see: 
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| humbleego | Apr 6 2006, 03:53 AM Post #1370 |
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Adam's Illegitimate Son
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Just replace "in" with "%" |
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| sharkcellar | Apr 6 2006, 04:09 AM Post #1371 |
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"l'enfer, c'est les autres" -Sartre
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Now I know!
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| Comlock | Apr 6 2006, 05:50 AM Post #1372 |
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Yes, now you know!  update: any crits before I make any more details? (the one ant is reading a map if it's not clear enough on the orange sketch)   Highres version |
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| Neyals | Apr 6 2006, 06:17 AM Post #1373 |
Brackenwood Deadbeat
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i think i like the one before better. Only because she has this massive backpack on and the branch she is sitting on is quite high up and she doesnt look very muscular so i just seems confusing how she got up there... lol sorry... |
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| Comlock | Apr 6 2006, 06:21 AM Post #1374 |
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Don't be sorry. That acctually made some sence^^ I think I could try to curve the branch more.. Or maby I should just make it into a root like Bleego thought it looked like in the first place. EDIT: No, wait. How about this?  I could make it into an old tree that has fallen over? (a log) That way I can also keep the straight shape like KIB showed wich gives a better depth to the image. |
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| Pillow | Apr 6 2006, 06:51 AM Post #1375 |
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SEX RED!!!
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wow the complications of trees! I like the idea of a fallen over tree but to show that it is actually a fallen tree you'll have to include more tree which in the process means you'll have to make the confused couple smaller to make them look futher away...wont you? |
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