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When Do You Expect Nests On Santa Rosa Island?; Are the older eagles old enough to breed
Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 09:50 AM (645 Views)
Patti
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Peter, do you think there could be nests as early as 2007 on Santa Rosa?

Hello! I bumped this up because it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. Still curious about your opinion on this. Thank you!
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Patti
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Bumped and edited original question. Some deletion.
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Eagle Guy
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Sorry, I missed this question before. We are planning on monitoring Santa Rosa Island next spring, because we know there are some older birds over there that could easily have nests next year.
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Hulabird
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Will we have cameras if they do?
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Patti
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Thanks, Peter! I was sorta thinking it was time for some breeding. The good news is, and I trust what Dr. Vail left on my voice mail: his people have been using steel bullets for the past several years with the culling. They've suggested steel bullets to the MUM hunters for the 2006 season, but it's still a voluntary thing right now.

Next year, NEST YEAR, steel bullets will be mandatory for the MUM hunters. I have mixed feelings on the hunting and see it as the lesser of the evils as a temporary issue. Left over meat from safe kills provides food for the young eagles. The island is safer for them to hang around on, it would seem to me, anyway. On a long term basis beyond the original agreement, continued hunting stinks!

So that rumor you heard about steel bullets is based on reality--partial. The Vail & Vickers people do use them. MUM will begin next year.

I'm still working on it, but have been distracted lately. Back to bird chores. Running late. Boo hoo.
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Congratulations on your victory Patti. The word "culling" seriously makes me sick though. I guess they have to come up with a PC word for murder being's how they're from California and all. I don't think I could talk to those people the way you do Patti. Thanks for being our Nestavist!
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Patti
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HulaB--for decades my dad was a serious pigeon breeder/racer. He used to cull. They're a different breed; pigeon racers. When my poor dad was starting the death process, but still getting around, he showed up at my gate with a green plastic bag with that heavy look. He missed trash day at his house--and I said, "Bad karma, you have to take them to Dick's house." He left with his green bag.

Normally I would be freaked out over culling the Santa Rosa elk/deer, but they're messing up the environment over there. Somehow I'm able to somewhat detach. I've read that the cattle did more harm than the deer/elk--and they're gone. Plus, this is awful, but the carrion feeds our eagles---and they use safe ammunition to cull. I wonder if they cull the smaller animals so the hunters can take down the "big" ones.
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That was going to be my question....do they selectively "cull" the weaker animals or by culling do they mean just reducing the size of the herd? They seemed pretty proud of themselves in those photos....made me sick....like hunting at a zoo.
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PPatti, my dad culled for both reasons; when he had too many birds and to weed out the weaker flyers. Racing pigeons are lovely docile birds. They didn't make a mess all over the yard, only in the loft. Their wing flapping made a wonderful soft hum when they flew overhead in flock formation. A soft flapping in unison. Wow, to hear an eagle do this would be incredible.
As for the Santa Rosa Island elk/deer, I suspect it would be along the same lines. They have to thin them out because I doubt they have any natural enemy over there that allows nature to assist. They would also, I suspect, want to create an attractive hunting ground and leave the big guys for the hunters to show off as a trophy kill. Plus, they're making BIG BUCKS off of it. Weird scene!!!!

Safely killed animals are a good source of food for our eagles. I am really conflicted on this one. If I were a biologist, as long as this meat was safe for the eagles, I would like it there to help establish the bald eagle population. I don't know how biologists think, but.....survival is the bottom line. I stay focused on this point. Just some thoughts.
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peppermint,Oct 25 2006
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That was going to be my question....do they selectively "cull" the weaker animals or by culling do they mean just reducing the size of the herd?  They seemed pretty proud of themselves in those photos....made me sick....like hunting at a zoo.

It's not culling, what's needed is total eradication of the non-native deer and elk and that's why so many people are upset and lawsuits are filed. They can't be relocated to the mainland, cost-prohibative. They have to be shot dead, just like the wild pigs.

There was an NPR (KCLU) radio article on this Friday (Oct27), Lance (award winning journalist) was interviewing the pros & cons. The V&V guys are trying to justify keeping the elk & deer on the island as they are uncontaminated by disease and they should be kept as "replacement stock" in case a disease wipes out the mainland population. There is no shortage of deer in the United States. It's just so ludicrous what these Santa Rosa island ranchers will do to continue their trophy hunts. And to deny us our right to visit the island year-round.
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Patti
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Karen, I was hoping to find the article you mentioned and am having trouble. Do you see it on this weblink? There are lots of shows and I can't figure out which one Lance was on. Thanks!

http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rund...gDate=27-Oct-06
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Try kclu.org...Lance Orosco. I listen to that station all the time...realllly sorry I missed it Friday!
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Patti
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Thanks, Patti, I'll try it now. Very curious. If I find it, I'll post it here.
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Patti: I was JUST over at kclu.org looking for it...couldn't find it so I emailed Lance Orosco asking if there is a link or a way to hear the interview....also suggested he might want to do a followup story of our baby, Cruz, since it is their website that took me to the nest from the beginning....and THEIR fault I am now....an Eagleholic!
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P-Patti!!! Good, cause I did the same, so that means it's a topic. :lol: Our radio "broke" in the living room, thanks to hubby fooling around with wiring, but I think I sometimes listen to this station in the office--not enough to know who is who.

http://www.kclu.org/events.html

http://www.kclu.org/about.html <----Click for live links to below addresses

NPR's Morning Edition: Morning@npr.org
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Fresh Air: FreshAir@whyy.org

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On-Air Studio Line - (805) 493-9200
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E-mail KCLU General Manager Mary Olson.
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