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Discussion of other Raptor species; their anatomy, biology, ecology, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 16 2007, 11:04 AM (18,130 Views)
Patti
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Bill & Ostrich...I'm wrong so much that I have no trouble admitting it anymore. :lol:

I have to correct myself again...as a matter of fact, but it's a positive. The Eagles, Hawks and Falcons of the World book IS available at Amazon.com with more copies than I stated earlier. I missed that altogether. The problem is, many of these dealers have to be selling only ONE of the volumes or a newer edition that was possibly ONLY one volume? One or two dealers state WHICH volume they have for sale, but the majority don't---except for the obvious big price tags toward the end--which is the whole package.

I sure do understand the high price, Bill. I guess I was hoping for a quality paperback edition! I've actually emailed all the dealers to see which volumes they have for sale. Possibly some of these items are BOTH volumes, but one would have no way of knowing. The price seems too low for that...and of course, you don't know what you're ordering.

With the Red-T's, Ostrich, when they're above my house, they often CALL and I dash out of the house with the binocs in hand. They really have a fabulous call. I have to admit: when we're out driving and I see hawks, I can't get the binocs out in time and think I'm seeing Red-t's, but don't know--unless I see the "orange" tail.

I think, at times, I'm confusing the JUVENILE Red-t call with the Red-shouldered normal call. Dr. Sharpe once said juvie Red-t's make a lot of racket--and in the spring, I really notice a lot of constant fussing up here. But...there is a Red-shouldered over Bea's way....I do see it clearly on poles and flying low.
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I can't say I heard any vocalizations from any of the birds seen today, but they were mostly at quite a distance. I did hear a RT on one occasion on the property at work, where there are at least a couple of nests in the immediate area during the summer. The call was identical to the classic RT call that you always hear in the movies (and I saw the bird overhead at close range).
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Bill, one day I saw a "showdown" type activity--mainly a Red-t going after what I think may have been a Red-shoulder. It was a smaller hawk, let's say.

I was able to get the 1989 one volume edition of Eagles, Hawks & Falcons of the World--used--for a pretty good price. Not the 2-volume collector set... :lol: Probably won't receive it for several weeks.

About 20 minutes ago, saw a bird ringing up and disappear into low clouds, but don't know what it was. Bottom side was primarily light all over, from what I could see without my binocs. When I got the binocs, it was already pretty high up, still looking mainly light, with maybe one dark tail bar toward the end--and a longish narrow tail, for sure. I'll get my Sibley's out. The wings were straight, no bumps showing in the outline.
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For interest, here are the raptor numbers which were recorded for High Park this Sunday and were posted on the Ontario birds email list:

Turkey Vulture - 21
Osprey - 0
Bald Eagle - 1
Northern Harrier - 2
Sharp-shinned Hawk - 13
Cooper's Hawk - 6
Northern Goshawk - 0
Red-shouldered Hawk - 26
Broad-winged Hawk - 0
Red-tailed Hawk - 508
Rough-legged Hawk - 1
Golden Eagle - 4
American Kestrel - 2
Merlin - 0
Peregrine Falcon - 0

It sounds like it's worth staying for a longer period next time and hopefully catch sight of a wider range of species.

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Bill, I DID hear a Red-t late this afternoon, for sure. The famous call...

Actually, I'm getting the 1969 issue of two-volumes in the (1989) edition of ONE book. I guess in 1969, the 2-volume set came out; then in 1989, a one volume edition was printed that is 945 pages, consisting of both 1969 volumes.

It's confusing, for sure, and I would not have understood this had I not emailed some of the dealers. There definitely appear to be both...collectible 2-volume sets (which are expensive) and the 1989 reissue in one volume/book that I'm getting.

Are we confused yet? :lol:
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ostrich2,Oct 29 2007
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For interest,  here are the raptor numbers which were recorded for High Park this Sunday and were posted on the Ontario birds email list:

Turkey Vulture - 21
Osprey - 0
Bald Eagle - 1
Northern Harrier - 2
Sharp-shinned Hawk - 13
Cooper's Hawk - 6
Northern Goshawk - 0
Red-shouldered Hawk - 26
Broad-winged Hawk - 0
Red-tailed Hawk - 508
Rough-legged Hawk - 1
Golden Eagle - 4
American Kestrel - 2
Merlin - 0
Peregrine Falcon - 0

  It sounds like it's worth staying for a longer period next time and hopefully catch sight of a wider range of species.

Ostrich2 - That list is amazing. I never realized that Ontario had those species. By the way, I never did see that bald eagle that was spotted on Toronto Island last year.
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Checking in to say goodnight! Did you see that Kris saw a golden eagle today, I think it was...very recent sighting anyway? It is in Chat.

I heard hawks today and the call was confusing. It DOES take a lot to I.D.--and I could never see the hawk, but saw a flock of 15 or crows heading east. I'd say a squabble?
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Naturegal,Oct 30 2007
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That list is amazing. I never realized that Ontario had those species. By the way, I never did see that bald eagle that was spotted on Toronto Island last year.

I had never seen a turkey vulture before, and I too didn't know some of these species are around. Some of them, like the northern harrier, the broad-winged hawk, and the merlin I'm not familiar with at all. I didn't post the numbers for the whole week or the year to date, but all the species in the list have been seen. Now I think many of these species come through on the migration, but don't necessarily reside in the area. And I can't recall whether it's some of the IWS data or some of David Hancock's research, or possibly both, that's shown that some birds make a surprising amount of west-east travel or vice versa.

Do you know if those balds on Toronto Island were ever seen at all during the summer? I wondered if they might try to nest there.
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For those of us here in the US, a little bit of information on High Park in Toronto.

High Park, Toronto ~~ Ontario
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Bill, have you seen any goldens out there? The one time I have seen a golden eagle was in Alberta, although it really was out in the middle of nowhere.
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