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Discussion of other Raptor species; their anatomy, biology, ecology, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 16 2007, 11:04 AM (18,115 Views)
ostrich2
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I love the photos Bea! Well worth waiting for, and I certainly don't see anything wrong with the last ones :D

It is too bad you couldn't get any shots of the bird in flight, as that would be useful for identification too, but there are some very good shots of the plumage. I'm going to give my first impression based on our previous practice, I'm not sure whether Bill wants to give us the id right away or wait until we try ourselves.

- this bird you can definitely see has a long narrow squarish tail. The tail extends it looks to me roughly the length of the body (or a little less).

- you can see quite clearly in picture #7 that the bird has quite short wings, that stop well short of the tail when held folded.

- he/she has very clear light and dark bands along the tail, and the last picture when the tail is fanned out you can really see the bands.

With the tail and wings, I certainly think this is some type of accipiter. Since you mentioned that this bird seems relatively small, I would think that would tend to suggest not the goshawk, as it's larger than either the Coopers or the sharp-shinned.

I'm still trying to decide which of these is more likely - unfortunately you don't really see the top of the head, and the Coopers is supposed to have a more squarish head than the sharp-shinned, but I don't think we can really see that.

The other thing my field guide says is that the sharp-shinned has a thin white band at the end of the tail as opposed to the Coopers which has a much thicker one. So based on that I'm going to guess sharp-shinned hawk :D
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Good for you Barbara, to have the courage to come to this thread and say what needed to be said. It is one thing to pretend to be a teacher and quite another to criticize those that are doing what they do as best they can and, obviously, bringing pleasure to the rest of us on the forum. I say amen and bravo to your comments.
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Thanks, Bill. I guess there is still room to try and learn...and change old thought patterns.

I've got my Sibley's out and am also reading Ostrich's good descriptions, plus Bea says it's on the small side, so I'm guessing a juvenile Sharp-shinned hawk--the white tips on the tail.

Edit: If it is a Sharp-shinned, Sibley's says they're agile in capturing small birds. Oh, I hope they don't mean as small as Cordon Bleu's. Another thumbnail for sizing.

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Forgot to add, they are great photos, Bea. They're always so good and thank you!
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Here is a video I recently found that shows a towhee and some starlings in the Saanich nest. These types of birds are almost constant visitors, especially now that the eagles aren't currently resident in the nest. I'm not sure about within the nest, but the starlings have been identified as nesting in the Saanich nest tree below the nest bowl.

Towhee and Starlings In The Saanich Nest
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Bee,Dec 15 2007
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  Good for you Barbara, to have the courage to come to this thread and say what needed to be said.  It is one thing to pretend to be a teacher and quite another to criticize those that are doing what they do as best they can and, obviously, bringing pleasure to the rest of us on the forum.  I say amen and bravo to your comments.

Thank you Bea, a teacher is not always an educator, just to spark an interest in something is educating and the information made interesting plus easy to understand and fun works best. Yes we are guest on this site but I think most teachers have the common sense to check any information they find on any forum before giving it to their students. No drama just my opinion.

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The Eaglepedia thread was created because people asked that the information be stored in one place to be viewed. It is not open for discussion because that would make it cluttered and unwieldy. The daily tidbits which make up the Eaglepedia are put in Chat and can be commented on there. If corrections or expansions were submitted to Harpo they could be included by the moderators.

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Thank You.
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Well, we have been calling him "Sharpie" , hoping we wouldn't have to change his name after this :lol:

First off I noticed the overall size which seemed rather smallish. I had definetly seen much bigger Hawks than this one before. Then the reddish eyes (I added another pic to better show the eye color - red or red/orange?) I see the long square looking tail with wide and straight white & dark bands and with a thin white band at the end. And I see what my Bird book calls "the hood" on his head. I included another pic that shows the mask nicely. Coopers have more of a "cap" than a mask.

So, I agree with Ostrich and Patti and say it's a Sharp-Shinned Hawk. I'll further venture a guess and say it's an adult female. The eye-color appears to me more orange-red (female) than deep red (male). Juveniles have pale yellow eyes and white spots on the wing coverts and I do not see that here.

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silveregal,Dec 15 2007
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  Thank you Bea, a teacher is not always an educator, just to spark an interest in something is educating and the information made interesting plus easy to understand and fun works best. Yes we are guest on this site but I think most teachers have the common sense to check any information they find on any forum before giving it to their students.  No drama just my opinion.

Barb

Barb, it was Bee that commented on your post :D
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