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Discussion of other Raptor species; their anatomy, biology, ecology, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 16 2007, 11:04 AM (18,104 Views)
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Bea--I think it looks like a Cooper's too--although I also thought a Sharp-shinned at the very beginning. I don't know if the Sharp-shinned has that much white on the wings, the mottled appearance.

That little white edge on the coverts shows on the immature Cooper's in my Brown and Amadon book, page 529, Plate 81. The same white edge shows in your pix really well!

Bill--just saw the keep away from falcons! :P I dropped my big Brown and glad it didn't plop on my bare foot.

Edit--was thinking the same thing about Turkey vultures, Bill, but I've made so many goofs today, I didn't suggest the Condor. I think I possibly saw one in 2006, was it, during those fires in Santa Paula. It was too high up to see a WB, but it just didn't feel like a TV. Have to admit, not sure I had my binocs that day. But maybe Bea saw the underside really well on her bird.
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Patti: Stay away from the falcons :lol: and no falcon has red eyes.

Bea: Are you sure it was a T.V.? Why I ask is they tag Condors and that would be very cool if that is what you saw. I really look forward to that photo. I'm not sure why anyone would be tagging T.V. Bill :D

Well, Bill, I was hopin' you'd say something like that, cause that's the first thing I thought. I had seen a television program once about the Sespe condors, and thought I'd remember that they used yellow tags. I do still think it's a T.V., but I am hoping hard that I'm wrong :D
I will post the pic (there is only 1 :'( ) tonight (for sure!)
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Hey, look what I just found! This area is not far from us, as the eagles fly!

Have You Seen A Wing-tagged-Turkey Vulture?


Also shows a pix with BLUE wing-tags on this site.
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"When one or more of the tagged vultures is sighted, email bvsbird@sbcglobal.net or call 821-5303. These reports will be forwarded to the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary researchers in Orwigsburg, Pa. When completed, results of the study will be sent to those who reported. Thanks to all in advance, and good birding."

Note: I don't know what the area code is on this--but probably on the website, Bea. Don't think it's 805 anymore.
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Hey thanks Patti!!! I'll check it out when I get home! :)^
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Unfortunately Bill, in my pic you can't even tell what color the tag is :( . The sun reflected off it. But it looked yellow/maybe orange. Definetly not blue or red.
Going home in a few minutes. Will post pic asap.
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Here is the picture of the tagged T.V.

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Working on the other Hawk pictures now. :rolleyes:
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Bea, I found some yellow wing-tagged Turkey vultures, but the migration patterns would not seem right to me. East/west is not a migration pattern, is it? North/south is all that ever sticks in my mind.

Here's some sites to check out---yellow-tagged included, but I'm leaning toward that's a red tag with a glare--on your bird. It appears to be a warm color, almost slightly pinkish. Could be red?

http://vulturesociety.homestead.com/Sightings.html

http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/JFO/v051n04/p0309-p0314.pdf

http://www.ibiblio.org/pardo/birds/archive...2/msg00542.html

"Greetings,

We are conducting research evaluating the movements of 100 YELLOW or =
WHITE wing-tagged vultures. Each tagged bird has a cattle ear tag in =
its RIGHT wing and each tag has a letter and number (ie. F47 or C20). =
The yellow tagged birds were marked and released in North Florida and =
the tags may be visible from below while the birds soar. White tagged =
birds were marked and released in Virginia. =20"


(That's the wrong side for your bird, Bea--for the last link.)

Bea, maybe there is a newer study, but I'm only finding Florida, Texas (I think), Virginia, and Wisconsin--for yellow wing-tagged. Could they come this way? Bill? Or more likely a red or blue marker on Bea's TV? Saw a site north of us reporting a tagged TV--but did not specify color. Not too terribly north of us--north of the Santa Barbara area.
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Bill and Patti, thanks for the hints and links. I was pretty sure it was a Turkey Vulture. Was just surprised to see a tagged one. But, as Patti proved to us, never be surprised what the bird world may come up with :D . Tagging them doesn't seem to be as rare as we thought.

Here are the other pictures of ...."Coop"?????
I'm only posting the one here to click on. I do believe once you are in the gallery, you can just click on "next" to go to the next pic? Please let me know if that's not the case. There are 8 or 9. The last pic is for size reference.
The little carved birds on the bath are 3 inches high and 4 inches long. The diameter of the birdbath is about 24 inches.

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Ralph says "Thanks for the nice words".
We have a Canon EOS 10D with a couple of different lenses. Neither one of us knows much at all about them, but I will find out from my boss what they are. He gave us the camera when he upgaded his to the EOS 20D.
The big long lense that Ralph used says SIGMA 70-300mm on it. Does that tell you anything? :blink: Also, all these pics were taken thru a double glass window from inside the house. (Alot of pics did not turn out)

Yes, I've been missing Ian today also. Hope he's okay!

Okay, now to the reason why I believe this is a juvenile Cooper's Hawk.
Actually, after looking at all the pics, I'm not so sure it's not a juvenile Sharpie after all (as Patti suggested) :lol: . Seriously, I keep checking my birdbooks :huh: .

I noticed the yellowish eyes. The fine streaks on the breast getting lighter towards the belly. The undertail coverts are completely white.
The Tail actually looks squarish and kinda short to me now in some of the pics, like it would for a juvenile Sharpie? Except it looks kinda long on the pic where he's sitting on the carved bird? I just dont know :hair: :8O: :hair:
I'm not good with size estimation, so I'll just skip that tonight and will sleep on it and consult my bird books again :hair:

Good night all!
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I got way side-tracked today and have been ready to post for hours! Bea, your photos are great! I think it's a juvie Cooper's because of the dark streaks and the tail..and there is something else, but now I can't remember from hours ago. If it isn't the size, that's something else to add. The size seems right.

Is Ian not feeling well? I hope he's better.

Edit: Another reason for Cooper's (juvie) -- but then again, it's a comparison thing and a gues here. In one of your album photos, Bea, the tail tip is prominent and the white band at the tip/end shows well, more than the Sharpie's so-called thinner band of white at the tip.

But, I may not be understanding Sibley's correctly with the broad and narrow tip. I'm thinking the thickness of the white tip color, not how far the entire wing tip spreads out in flight. Page 112; Sibley's
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