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Chat - Saturday, August 1st, 2009; Dust if you must....
Topic Started: Aug 1 2009, 03:52 AM (1,478 Views)
Artsy Mom
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More live observations of Hope by Doug Carrick on Friday

12:30 pm - Hope perched high in the Babysitting Tree, constantly reminding her parents that they have certain obligations which must be met - although I haven't seen either parent for two hours.

1:05 pm - It became so quiet I looked up, and noticed an eagle soaring higher up. It was Hope, soaring round and round, with no cheating (no wing-flapping), completely under control as if she had been doing this for years. This may have been her first time. We have a 15 mph wind at this time, which may be conducive to soaring.

1:20 pm - Back to the starting place - near top of Babysitting Tree

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Dinner is Served (2:06)

Turn down your sound...Carole
is so right about how noisy Hope is :lol:

"It is my guess that the eagles will not go on migration for another two weeks.

So far (10 days after fledging) the nest is still being used as a feeding platform." - Doug

Doug Carrick waves a towel from his porch.

(watch on full screen - he's at the tiny house top right)
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ojailala
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Thanks everyone again, will pass your feelings on to Barbara and her kids... My sister lost her first husband years ago to a brain tumor... she's been down this road before.... Cynthia and her brother were teenagers at the time... life does give you a second and hopefully a third go round with love.....

Hiker loved the hot air balloons.. was thinking how fun to photograph them.... and Zoey ??? <3 <3 what can I say.... meals of wheels ???
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Penny - Sonsie is so beautiful, a perfect specimen for educational outings. :wub: Hope is such a screecher but then again she is always so close to the microphone. She has actually woken Alan up in the morning when I turn the computer on rofl , I say it's better than an alarm clock. :lol: Isn't Doug adorable to wave his towel, what a great guy!
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<::: Panda News - Are Two better than One?

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We have been excited to discover that Bai Yun is pregnant with twins! Our veterinarians confirmed via ultrasound that there is a fetus in each of her uterine horns (the panda has a bifurcated uterus, shaped like a Y). When they were first discovered, vets could see that one fetus was well developed, with a robust heartbeat, and the other was smaller with a well-developed placenta but no heartbeat yet detected. A subsequent ultrasound revealed a fetal heartbeat on both sides. This morning, only the more developed cub could be seen. Does this mean that the other embryo is lost? Or was it just hidden from view? We can’t say for sure either way.

This is not the first time Bai Yun has been pregnant with twins. Veterinarians also saw two fetuses when looking in 2003, the year of Mei Sheng’s birth. Amazingly, they were also able to document the reabsorption of one fetus prior to birth. We were left to wonder if that fetus was somehow less viable than the other, and therefore died prematurely, or if Bai Yun’s body selectively pruned her litter of two down to one. Although Bai Yun herself was a twin, she has never given birth to twins. Will she prune her litter again this year?

Why would a female prune her litter? We know that raising one panda cub is an extremely difficult and labor-intensive task for a female. She invests a lot of energy in holding, suckling, cleaning, and protecting her young. We know from our comparative studies with other bear species that pandas are far more attentive mothers than American black bears or brown bears, and even the active sun bear isn’t quite as diligent as a panda. As demanding as raising a panda cub is, rearing twins is even more of a feat, so much so that it has been very rarely documented that a female might rear more than one cub in a natural setting. To save energy, it may be a good evolutionary strategy for a female panda to avoid putting herself in this position in the first place, and so she might have natural biological mechanisms in place that ensure a singleton birth.

Even in the event of a twin birth, panda mothers routinely make choices about how to rear their litter. In birth centers in China, females sometimes reject one of their cubs immediately upon their birth, deciding from the get-go that she will only raise one of the offspring. Others may choose to attempt to rear two for a few hours, but ultimately set one cub down to attend to the other. We don’t yet know what factors go into making the choice between cubs, but we are actively looking at this as a research project and hope to have the answers soon.

In the final analysis, a panda mother seems incapable of rearing twins on her own. There have been a few spotty reports of wild twins located in tree nests or wandering about in China. This suggests there might be a possibility of a panda caring for two cubs from birth. Certainly this is possible with most other bear species. However, to my knowledge there has been no confirmed case of a panda that gave birth to and successfully reared twins without support.

What would Bai Yun do if she did give birth to two? We don’t know. She’s never been put in that position before, and we aren’t sure how she might react. Bai Yun is an excellent, skilled, experienced mother; perhaps if she feels she’s up to the job of handling twins, she would try to raise both. She is also well-seasoned and knows just what’s involved in caring for the cubs, and splitting her efforts between two means neither one gets her full attention. For that reason she may reject the demands of rearing two in order to ensure the survival of one of her offspring. We’ll have to wait and see.

In a future update I will describe some of the conditions and considerations our staff will contend with in dealing with a twin birth. Stay tuned!

Suzanne Hall is a senior research technician for the San Diego Zoo’s Institute for Conservation Research.

Here is an ultra sound of Bai Yun at the San Diego Zoo who was expecting twins

Bai Yun's Ultrasound

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Oh George :}^ .... Lookie what I found :)^ Looks like a regular hat until you flip the switch.

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Since the :*: is shining here now, I'm going to take full advantage of it starting with taking Siobhan out for her first walk in days :D

Yesterday it poured with a vengeance the entire day :o We have a long weekend here now but it is supposed to :rn: on both Sunday and Monday when we were planning on going to the Icelandic Festival in Gimli

:unsure: now whether we wil actually go. BBL Peeps :}^

Enjoy your Saturday wherever you are :ok:
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<::: SORRY PEEPS BUT EAGLELAND WON'T BE AVAILABLE TOMORROW. DH AND I ARE IN A GOLF TOURNAMENT AND HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE BY 7:30 A.M. THE NESTS ARE STILL DARK AT THAT TIME SO NO CAPTURES ARE AVAILABLE................EAGLELAND WILL RETURN ON MONDAY.
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I was out this am and into philly to see if i could find a pair of pants in my size. Alas they didnt but they had alot more for those who are girth impared and vertically challanged, so that means ill have to buy on line instead.

While I was there i scouted out the surroundings and did not see where the helicopter was to or had hoisted the 14,000lb air conditioner to the top of one building.

I stopped by city hall to see if i could see any of the adult falcons who had fledged some falconettes to no avail. Only thing flying about were the art critics who tend to poo poo any artwork that is on display at any outside gallery. (pigeons)

I did shoot some eagles alas not live ones

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and our states founder William Penn atop City hall which is the largest municipal building in the world. These were Sculpted by the Artist Alexander Calder at the turn of the 20th Century. For those who are into "Art" his son also alexander calder was or is considered the father of the "mobile" in the mid 20th centuryy

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Street Scene looking south on Broad Street from City Hall showing Liberty Place the first building to rise above the hat of william penn on the previous statue atop city hall

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Marti, I like your upside down garden. The bougainvillea is quite lovely. I also like the Hoya.

Penny, The little pest - rofl rofl rofl such patience!

George, as always, I enjoyed your photos.
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I wonder how Deb and ES are doing :<::
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Hi everyone! I'm home - dirty - muddy - tired - but had great fun! It rained Sun night just as we went to bed - wait -it didn't rain - IT POURED! Then heavy rains on Wednesday and more on Friday! but the boys earned a lot of badges - did a lot of program and we had a super time! I got to skeet shoot again this year - WOO HOO!

Here's a few of the cell phone photos - haven't seen the camera since home - probably still buried in my trunk (with the nasty dirty clothes)!

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Line up (every meal but only full uniform at dinner!) - took a walk along one of the back roads

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A mom and cub - black bears - live in our camp - not near my site but not really far away so of course we had to take a walk back there and found tracks!

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saw Mr. Frog (at bottom of green moss) - part of our camp site looking back over fire pit - lean-to and latrine! LOL - on one of the rainy days!

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and speaking of rain - we had our own in site water fall off the tarp! - some of my scouts at rifle range!
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Thurs night campfire in site - Wild Cat Falls on the property - with all the rain it was running so Dan and I of course had to go see and on our way back .....

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we stopped by the beaver dam which had been opened (again) to let the water flow thru to the lake! Didn't see the beaver family though :( We began our hike back up to the site at the top of the mountain and it began to pour - oh my gosh - I was soaked thru and thru - oh well :)

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at our table in the dining hall - 2 of my scouts this morning finishing a merit badge which couldn't be done on Fri due to the rain! they built model rockes for space exploration and one of the requirements - shoot them off! and so they did!
Get ready ......
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Fire - and there it is up in the sky!

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Welcome back, Deb! Great photos.
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as to ES - WELLLLLLLLL - we had gone to bed on Monday night -just fallen asleep - my phone was in locker at dining hall being charged so he couldn't get thru - he calls my other adult leader who stumbles to my tent - of course my heart is racing - he says:

Hi - we were watching the sunset at Mt. Phillips and just wanted to say HI when we discovered the phones worked! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

He called yesterday when they came off the trail - one scout got sick the last day - dehydration and maybe a bug! Medics came to the top of the mountain where they were and treated him - left him on the trail so he could do the last day of hiking and come in with the crew. He then went to medical - more treatments - then back with the crew. But after campfire, he was down again ----- but this AM way better and as a matter of fact - they are at the airport ready to begin their journey home - back in NY around 10PM! :**:
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Welcome home, Deb! We missed you but thankfully, Jann kept us in your loop, so to speak..:lol: Looks like ya had a great time! I so wish I could have seen those bear tracks with ya! Wow! How awesome!
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