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Sidewalk slam vs. side suplex
Topic Started: Jul 27 2005, 11:59 AM (1,146 Views)
Erick Von Erich
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Allright, here's something that's been bugging me for awhile. The other week I caught some current show and a guy performed Dino Bravo's old finisher. In that move, you're standing next to a guy, both facing the same direction. You reach over, in front of him, grab him around the waist and lift. He becomes perpendicular to you, with his feet to the front and head to the back. Then, you fall down and slam his back to the canvas. In the old days, this was called a "side suplex", since the guy was dropped on his head and back.

Now it's a "sidewalk slam". A "sidewalk slam" was Big Bossman's finisher-- you grab a guy with a clothesline/hug, then slam him down while he's facing you. See also: Abyss's BlackHole SLAM. Big difference between the two moves and it's annoying how a side suplex is now included as a "sidewalk slam". Am I wrong?
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Scrooge McSuck
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Logic in Wrestling? It's always bugged me when people change things around like that, for no reason more than just because people are stupid.

Here's another one recently. That retard on Heat called Tajiris buzzsaw kick a shining wizard. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought a Shinzing Wizard was a running enziguri to a nealing opponent, not just a kick to the face.
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Here's my thoughts:

Side suplex: gutwrench lift flipping opponent onto back.

Sidewalk slam: the bossman slam you mentioned.

Side slam: Bravo's 'side suplex' you mentioned

shining wizard: running up a kneeling opponent's knee and delivering a knee to the face.
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I think you can thank Tony Schiavone for that, as he called EVERYTHING a sidewalk slam
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Scrooge McSuck
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That's a lie, Swiggy. He called everything but a sidewalk slam a "sidewalk slam."
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Very true
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People also confuse a sidewalk slam with what Bossman did to what Nash sometimes did. When he would lift-up a wrestler from his feet to about his waist with one arm, the wrestler's upper-body behind Nash and lower-body infront, and then slam the wrestler's back onto the mat as he falls. Both have been called a "sidewalk slam." Not to mention when a spinebuster is sometimes called "sidewalk slam."

But, I guess I haven't heard the enziguri be called a shining wizard. Well, that I can remember.
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Scrooge McSuck
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No, Tajiris kick to the head of someone was called a Shining Wizard. What Hurricane did was more of a Shining Wizard than that!
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Perhaps I'm new school or something, but a sidewalk slam is indeed exactly what you described to open this thread. The shitty "transition" move that big lugs like Kane, Nash, etc. tend to use over and over. That, in my mind, is a sidewalk slam.

A back suplex is the move where the opponent is picked up in an atomic drop position, but then carried all the way back to the mat (and if your opponent is The Rock, he covers the back of his head, like a bitch).

A side suplex? I would never call this move were I calling a match. I suppose it could be a variation of the aforementioned back suplex, but the difference would be in the drop. Some wrestlers fall back with you in the prone position, while other tend to actually release the opponent to their side as they fall back.

As for the Bossman Slam, that shit's just always been the Bossman Slam to me. Throw off the ropes, catch them on the comeback, sometimes spin, but just smother their ass to the mat. Great finisher too.

And Shiavone took the cake when I was watching a "best of the cruiserweight title" match that I downloaded the other day. Malenko did a back suplex, and as I awaited the call of "SIDEWALK SLAM" from Tony S, he breaks out a new one...."Sidesault by Malenko". Fuckin idiot. Same broadcast featured Zbysko calling Rey Jr., "Rey Mysterious" and Dusty Rhodes trying to call a match.
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Scrooge McSuck
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How dare you call Kane a lug, you butt wiping, nose blowing, poodle cake! (cries)
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Hmmm, the debate continues. Wikipedia describes the sidewalk slam as the following:

The wrestler stands side-to-side and slightly behind with the victim, facing in the same direction, and reaches around the victim's torso with one arm across the victim's chest and under both arms and places the other arm under the victim's legs. The wrestler then lifts him/her up, bringing his/her legs off the ground and falls down to the mat in a sitting position, slamming the victim into the mat back-first. It was formerly used by the late Big Boss Man calling it the "'Bossman Slam"'.

So, I'll agree with the definition, re-iterating what I said previously. However, that definitely isn't the Bossman Slam. Unless he used a traditionally Sidewalk Slam before using his finisher. Anyone care to clarify?
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Erick Von Erich
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Wikipedia is base off of public submittals...so an idiot submitted that definition of a sidewalk slam. He also probably submitted "Turkey on a Pole was the LAST-EVER AWA match". Fartgoblin.

I'll still maintain that Bravo's move is a side suplex. Sort of the opposite of the gutwrench suplex--only difference being that the oppoent is facing a different way. A belly-to-back suplex is when you lift him up into an atomic drop position and fall back. Similar to a German suplex.

The over-the-head spinebuster, used by guys like Booker T and Hardcore Holly is also called a "sidewalk slam"...and that's also incorrect. Not sure if Booker still uses it, but in WCW in 1998 he used it and called it the "110th Street Slam". Some ding-dongs apparently thought: '"110th STREET = sidewalk".

I'll call Bossman's move a sideWALK slam...simply becuase WALKING is involved. Not necessarily the word "sidewalk"...rather the WORDS "side" and "walk".
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I'm going by what the PBP men said, and they called Bossmans finisher the "Sidewalk Slam" and Dino Bravos a "Side Suplex" back "in the day." Maybe today the rules have changed, but when describing their finishers, I stay true to lame ass history.
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Calling a Sidewalk Slam (Kane and Kevin Nash move) a Side Suplex just seems rediculous to me. It doesn't even make sense with the normal array of moves and their names. A Belly-to-Back suplex, to me, is in fact a German Suplex, which was only recently (6-8 years?) adopted into WWE announcer terminology regularly.

By the way, I am fascinated and excited by this discussion, just to let you all know.
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One theory I've heard to distinguish between "German" and "Belly-to-back" is how the arms are locked. If the guy is able to complete wrap his arms around the opponent's waist and lock hands, then it's a "German". If they put one arm around the opponent's back and the other on his leg, it's a "belly-to-back". Sometimes they'll say a "release German suplex", when it's a belly-to-back. Again, this is all a THEORY.

To add MORE fun...if you sorta' turn a belly-to-back around, it's a Northern Right suplex. Right, not "Lights". Well, at least according to TECMO World Wrestling! Sonny Siaki did a textbook Northern Right on IMPACT a few weeks back.

I think the only reason Bravo's finisher was called a side suplex was beause it was applied with a hold, rather than a scoop/pick-up. Most suplexes start with a hold, then the guy is dropped. Belly-to-belly and belly-to-back both start with a waistlock. Vertical suplex involves locking up with your opponent.

To me, any type of slam is when you scoop or catch somebody, lift them and drop them. A hold is not necessarily needed to apply a slam.

EDIT: More reason Wikipedia should be taken with SEVERAL grains of salt:
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The last match of the TCS - and the last in AWA history ever - was a match between Jake Milliman and Col. DeBeers. Instead of a standard wrestling match, it was a "Great American Turkey Hunt" match where the one who got a stuffed, uncooked turkey first would be declared the winner. The match took place in a TV studio without an audience (the announcers claimed it was in an effort to stop wrestlers interfering, but it was actually due to poor ticket sales). In the end, Milliman got the turkey, and won the TCS for Larry's Legends.

Wrongo-bongo. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's Joker: "who ya' gonna' believe...them or me? I'm giving away money!" Well, except for that money part.
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