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2011 MLB Season Thread
Topic Started: Mar 31 2011, 02:42 PM (8,947 Views)
Scrooge McSuck
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It seems like the Yanks didn't care about last night. They had a fucking Triple A team on the field for most of it, with A-Rod and Jeter still available to at least pinch-hit. And it still took the Sox 14 innings to finally pull one out, against a pitcher I thought stank for the Yankees the first time he was with the team 6 years ago.


I think the MLBN crew has the right idea... this 40-man roster crap is awful for a fucking playoff push. There should be some sort of limit/restriction to how many players are available for a given day. Last night was like a week 1 spring training game. Just awful to watch.
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Cashman's comments regarding Crawford and "driving up the price" is ridiculous, unnecessary, and petty. Cashman's job is to field the best team he can, not talk trash about a player having a down year and forcing the Sawx into paying more for him. I loved CC when he was a Ray, and still hope he refinds the abilities everyone knows he has, and it's just a lack of class for a GM to act like that. You don't see Theo calling Cashman a schmuck for how much he gave Posada during the twilight of his career (4 years, 50+ mil).
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Yeah Cashman looked bad there

And I think if Cliff Lee had rejected the Yankees before Crawford signed with the Red Sox (instead of after) then the Yankees may have signed Crawford themselves

All GMs no matter how good they are or how much money they have to spend will always make a FA signing or two that doesn't pan out

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Scrooge McSuck,Sep 26 2011
07:54 AM
It seems like the Yanks didn't care about last night. They had a fucking Triple A team on the field for most of it, with A-Rod and Jeter still available to at least pinch-hit. And it still took the Sox 14 innings to finally pull one out, against a pitcher I thought stank for the Yankees the first time he was with the team 6 years ago.


I think the MLBN crew has the right idea... this 40-man roster crap is awful for a fucking playoff push. There should be some sort of limit/restriction to how many players are available for a given day. Last night was like a week 1 spring training game. Just awful to watch.

I didn't watch the game (Yankees already have clinched so I was in football mode that day)

I can understand not PH Jeter or A-Rod in that case since if you really wanted to rest them, they should get the whole game off

That being said either Andruw Jones or Martin should have PH for Romine in the 9th

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Erick Von Erich,Sep 24 2011
09:39 PM

I'm sorry, but it's completely misinformed to apply a blanket statement that the Rockies were severely over-matched, talent-wise, thus causing them to get swept.

I can't believe I am defending the Red Sox who I absoultely hate

but with Schilling, Beckett, Dice-K (who was still decent then), Papelbon and the rest of the bullpen, they had much better pitching IMO than the Rockies

Both teams had good hitting.

The layoff thing, unfortunately that is what happens in the playoffs
On one hand you have more rest and are able to line-up your starters

On the other hand too much rest throws the starters off

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Erick Von Erich,Sep 24 2011
09:39 PM

I don't think the Rockies were "severely over-matched" at all. They had an MVP candidate in Matt Holliday, a Rookie of the year and MVP candidate in Troy Tulowitzki, plus two more 100 RBI/25+ HR/around .300 hitters in Brad Hawpe and Garrett Atkins. Not to mention that Todd Helton had a great year as well. Compare that offense to Boston, who had Mike Lowell and David Ortiz as their big guns.

Red Sox also had Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis. I won't count JD Drew as he has been a career underachiever. Dustin Pedroia had not become the player he is today in '07, but Jason Varitek was still a good player in 2007
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Now back to my normal Red Sox hate/bashing

Love it that they are now tied with the Rays for wild card

Hope they continue to choke and not make the playoffs

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torturedsoulv1,Sep 27 2011
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Red Sox also had Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis.    I won't count JD Drew as he has been a career underachiever.    Dustin Pedroia had not become the player  he is today in '07, but Jason Varitek was still a good player in 2007

This was also the days of "Manny being Manny", so the common assumption was that he'd cost your team in some way. As Swiggy mentioned, Dice-K was up and down.

If we want to go into details (and we are), then I should throw out the starting duo of Ubaldo Jimenez and Franklin Morales who were better than anybody expected down the stretch. Same for "closer" Manny Corpas who was unbelievable in the second half. Of all people, Yorvit Torrealba led the team in hits during the playoffs.

Kaz Matsui made a heck of difference to the offense as the lead-off man. First pitch of the tie-breaker game with the Padres, Matsui lined what would've been a single 90% of the time, but he put on the jets and legged out a double.

I'm sure you can find some interesting numbers and stats on the Rockies' 2007 team page:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/COL/2007.shtml

Note that the five "core" starters all had ERAs in the 4's, while the "core" bullpen guys all had ERA's in the 3's. Yes, they played 81 games at Coors Field (plus the bonus game).

If the Phillies had made it, we would not be having this discussion. The assumption would be: "Boston beat a pretty good Phillies team in their first year of contending".

The Rockies belonged in the World Series that year and it was not a cake-walk for Boston. It was not a case of the lucky underdog who happened to sneak in. They played the best ball of any team in the NL and were fearless.



Anyways--- Sox and Rays are tied. If the Rays pull this off, I may make replace "pull a 1995 Angels" with "pull a 2011 Red Sox" in my lexicon.
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Erick Von Erich,Sep 27 2011
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[If we want to go into details (and we are), then I should throw out the starting duo of Ubaldo Jimenez and Franklin Morales who were better than anybody expected down the stretch. Same for "closer" Manny Corpas who was unbelievable in the second half. Of all people, Yorvit Torrealba led the team in hits during the playoffs.

Kaz Matsui made a heck of difference to the offense as the lead-off man. First pitch of the tie-breaker game with the Padres, Matsui lined what would've been a single 90% of the time, but he put on the jets and legged out a double.

I'm sure you can find some interesting numbers and stats on the Rockies' 2007 team page:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/COL/2007.shtml

Note that the five "core" starters all had ERAs in the 4's, while the "core" bullpen guys all had ERA's in the 3's. Yes, they played 81 games at Coors Field (plus the bonus game).

If the Phillies had made it, we would not be having this discussion. The assumption would be: "Boston beat a pretty good Phillies team in their first year of contending".

The Rockies belonged in the World Series that year and it was not a cake-walk for Boston. It was not a case of the lucky underdog who happened to sneak in. They played the best ball of any team in the NL and were fearless.



Anyways--- Sox and Rays are tied. If the Rays pull this off, I may make replace "pull a 1995 Angels" with "pull a 2011 Red Sox" in my lexicon.

I remember Corpas being very good that year and Yorvit Torrealba . Forgot about that being Matsui's one very good year

Never heard of Franklin Morales. Is he a future "lesser players of the game" contender?

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I think he's on the Red Sox right now as a mid-season claim or very lowkey trade. He hasn't been too bad for them, at least when I catch a Sawx game.
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There is talk AJ Burnett may actually be a starter in the playoffs, based on his game against the Red Sox this past weekend

I would think the only way Burnett makes the team let alone the rotation is if every other pitcher's arm falls off. Or has an infectous disease or both

And I mean that for both the major league team as well as every team in the minor leagues
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The Rays win, and the Sox are trying to hold onto a 8-6 lead late in the game. If that score holds up, then Game 162 it comes down to... who would've guessed?
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Scrooge McSuck,Sep 27 2011
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The Rays win, and the Sox are trying to hold onto a 8-6 lead late in the game. If that score holds up, then Game 162 it comes down to... who would've guessed?

Before the season started almost no one would have thought the Rays would make the playoffs considering they lost their whole bullpen to Free Agency as well as Crawford, Bartlett and Pena

Alot ofpeople thought the Yankees would not make it (because of their starting pitching), which I thought was ridiculous because they had plenty of hitting and a great bullpen. I will say with all the injuries the pen had as well as A-Rod missing almost half the year and Burnett and Hughes both sucking, I am surprised they won the division as easily as they did. Jeter was on the DL for a while also.



Red Sox on paper were expected to go to the WS against the Phillies.Outside of Bucholz, they have not had any major injuries to their main players. Well Youkilis has been hurt at times this year. And they only have a 50-50 chance of making it at this point

Shows that just because you win the offseason battle (trade for Gonzalez and signing Crawford) doesn't mean you will win in the regular season
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This has always been a complaint from me with the structure of the baseball post-season... why can't teams from the same division play each other in the 1st round? I can't think of one logical reason that this needs to be done. If the division winner is a 100+ game winning team, and the Wild Card team has an inferior record to everyone else, then it makes no sense for the best team to have to play the 3rd seed team that might be only a few games worse than they are, while the 2nd seed team gets the wild card.

That would be like reforming the NBA Playoffs, so that the first round has the #1 seed play the #8 seed, unless they are division rivals, then they get to play the next lowest seed of a team that isn't from their division. But only for the first round. After that, it doesn't matter. Does that make sense?
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Scrooge McSuck,Sep 28 2011
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This has always been a complaint from me with the structure of the baseball post-season... why can't teams from the same division play each other in the 1st round? I can't think of one logical reason that this needs to be done.

I agree. One thing I like about NFL playoffs (if they still do it), is that you can play a division rival in the first-round. I remember in 1993 when the Donkeys lost the final game to the Raiders, but still made the playoffs. So they got their consolation prize of getting to play the Raiders the very next week, only now it was IN the playoffs. They got their rumps split open both times.


Oh, and Franklin Morales was right there with Ubaldo Jimenez in 2007 as "young guns who could become the backbone of the rotation some day". He started two or three game in the playoffs that year. He got lit up, pretty good, by Boston in Game 2 of the World Series.

Things didn't pan out for him, as he had injuries and inconsistency in 2008. He bounced back in 2009 as a bullpen guy and actually closed for the Rockies in their stretch run to the 2009 playoffs.

More problems in 2010 and he was shipped off to Boston this summer for "future considerations". He only has four years of MLB time, at this point. He'll need at least one more year, somewhere, before he can be considered a future "(Professional) Baseballer of Lesser Note" . As long as he gets no more than one All-Star selection and never wins an award :)
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