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Is Johnny Damon a Hall of Famer?
Topic Started: Jun 20 2011, 12:28 PM (1,371 Views)
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The Rays broadcasters have spent a lot of time talking about Damon's numbers and his overall consistant play over the years.


Knocking on 2,700 hits (with life still in him to possibly play enough for 3,000), over 1,500 runs scored, more than 1,000 RBI, more than 200 HR, 500 doubles, nearly 400 stolen bases, and a member of 2 World Series Champions.

The problem is he's never been a "league leader" type despite his total numbers, and he only has 2 career All-Star appearances (1 a vote in by fans as the last man).

If he can reach 3,000 hits, he can get in, but his lack of individual hardware makes it hard to believe he will otherwise.
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Very good player for many years and very good at most facets of the game (his throwing arm the one glaring exception as it was weak

No way is he a HOFer if he retired today. If he hangs out long enough to get 3,000 hits, I am sure he will get in
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One of the arguments for HOF is "was he the best at his position for a number of years"? Damon came on the scene around 1996 (I think) and I would not have put him in my top 3 outfielders at any time in that span.

But that's only ONE of the arguments. Numbers are another. By the time Damon retires, I don't think too many active guys will be near 3,000 hits. If Damon hits that mark, I think he'll eventually get in.

I see this as somewhat similar to Craig Biggio's candidacy. I don't think Biggio led the league in anything (aside from getting plunked), but he got 3,000 hits. Like Damon, during his playing career you rarely thought: "he's a Hall of Famer". But when his days were over, you looked up and said: "huh. I guess he is".

(If I had to pick between the two, I'd go with Biggio over Damon)
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I was thinking the same with Biggio in a similarity case. I never really thought of Biggio as the greatest at his position(s) or thought of him as an elite player, but when he retired, it was like (reads stats) woah, he did all this pretty quietly. I also agree, Biggio over Damon if it was head to head.
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No. He's in that group right under the HoF. He'll probably get in because Sox/Yankee players get additional votes due to media obsession.

I also don't think Biggio was on.

I will use this forum to mention that all the voters that didn't vote for Bagwell are assfucks and should have their votes revoked. There's no evidence that he was roiding and he was one of the few guys that just made pitchers change their approach at the plate. Bagwell deserves to be in the Hall!
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Agreed on Bagwell. I'm still shocked that Barry Larkin wasn't voted in first ballot. I know, or guess, that voters don't like letting too many guys in for a given year, but didn't they have another year left to tell Bert Blylevyn (sp?) to fuck himself and give Larkin enough votes instead of playing these weird games with their votes?
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Larkin should've gotten in but the voters are self important jizzbags and take that first ballot shit too seriously.
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The voters and their logic still baffles me. Lee Smith isn't in the Hall, but Goose is. Whatever. I know they hate relief pitchers, but that's just horrible logic.

Not baseball, but since we're on the subject of hall of fame voting...

How did Reggie Miller not only get snubbed for the Basketball Hall of Fame, but snubbed for CONSIDERATION FOR THE FINAL BALLOT TO DETERMINE WHO GETS IN?!
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I don't think Reggie is a Hall kind of guy. Stats were pretty meh, no real awards to speak of and overall just kind of an above average player all around.
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What he did to the Knicks and us fans is enough to send him hate mail and letter bombs for life. He always seemed to come up big in clutch situations, at least in those games. Everyone without a a ring in the 90's that was one of the best can thank not being a Bull. That decade was cruel to a lot of guys. By the time the Pacers were a good enough team to reach the Finals, Reggie was in decline, and they never gave him much of a supporting cast once his prime kicked in.
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Mad Dog,Jun 20 2011
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I will use this forum to mention that all the voters that didn't vote for Bagwell are assfucks and should have their votes revoked. There's no evidence that he was roiding and he was one of the few guys that just made pitchers change their approach at the plate. Bagwell deserves to be in the Hall!

I'm with you on this. There have already been stories published about Bagwell's snub, last year. They made similar points to what you mention. So I'm pretty sure he'll be in the Hall within the next three or four years.

Guy was essentially an All-Star from his first full year (1991) and definitely one of the top 3 first basemen of the 90's.
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I think it's the fact that Caminiti played on the same team for a few years and they're obsessed with keeping out anyone that ever was within 500 ft. of a steroid needle. Though, they'll look like fools when they take this hard line stance on everyone from that era and then fall over themselves to vote for Jeter first ballot.

Bagwell: .297, 449 HR and 1529 RBI.
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I'd like to see Fred McGriff get in, as well. I'd probably rank him, Frank Thomas and Bagwell as the top 3 first basemen of the 90's. Even though Thomas was primarily a DH from about '97 on.
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Fred McGriff definitely doesn't get any love. I try not to use this argument because it's so much of a egg shell topic, but with certain players basically black listed from getting in for their admission or heavy accusations of using steroids, do voters retract their opinions and start giving love to guys like McGriff, or do they continue to be assholes because they have such a holy blessing as being able to determine who gets into their precious Hall?
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Scrooge McSuck,Jun 20 2011
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... or do they continue to be assholes because they have such a holy blessing as being able to determine who gets into their precious Hall?

I remember the asshole writer from Denver (who had a Hall of Fame vote) who continually thought he was being cute by always voting for Pete Rose. I think it was Bernie Lincicome. A total hack and it infuriated me that he could've been doing something with his vote, but was instead trying to be funny. He would constantly brag about it, like he was leading the Charge of the Pete Brigade.

Last I heard, the douche was unemployed when the Rocky Mountain News went belly-up. I suppose he has a "blog" or some shit out there. Without a doubt, he was the worst columnist I've ever read. I'd skim his stuff and think: "THIS dumbshit has a Hall of Fame vote?!"
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