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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 21 2011, 11:10 AM Post #16 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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How about people who refuse to vote because of Pete Rose? People like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken (in very recent memory) were given the shaft of a 100% vote because a handful of people didn't cast votes for anyone. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 21 2011, 11:34 AM Post #17 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Yeah, they may as well have voted for Bill the Cat and Opus. Peter Parker would be pissed that they're not living up to the responsibility of their Voting power. But hey, these same fucks had a share in giving Terry Pendleton the 1991 MVP, or giving awards to guys like Jerome Walton and Pat Hentgen. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 21 2011, 02:49 PM Post #18 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I find the Pete Rose thing to be interesting. About a decade ago, public sentiment was against him and slowly over the last 5 or 6 years it's started really swinging to his side. I have no idea why but I think MLB has really lost that argument in the court of public opinion. People seem to want Rose in there now. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 21 2011, 03:02 PM Post #19 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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The cold hearted side of me says put him in once he passes away, that way he can't enjoy it. If the guy would've confessed to his gambling a lot sooner than the turn of the millennium, and for reasons other than to just sell a book, then maybe I'd be a little bit nicer. He more than definitely deserves being in, but he's dug his own grave over the last 20+ years and Bug Selig is enough of an asshole to stick to his guns. See also: Bug Selig being an asshole to the Dodgers "owner" in 2011. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Jun 22 2011, 06:26 AM Post #20 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Pete Rose should never be allowed to work in baseball again under any capacity But he absolutely deserves to be in the HOF I will give my two cents about his not coming clean about gambling, since I know something about addiction. I have been clean in Gamblers Anonymous fo almost 13 years. It is not easy for a lot of people that have a gambling addiction to first admit it to themselves and to others. I know that from when I first started in GA and the many people I have seen come into the GA rooms since July of 98. That being said, Rose repeatedly lied about it. And he bet on baseball and his team. It would have obviously been worse if he was betting against the team he was managing, but the fact that he was betting on the sport he was involved in at all is bad enough. I would think most owners would not have hired him in any capacity anyway. So I say don't allow to him ever be involved in the current product again. But he was a HOF baseball player for sure. And if he wasn't gambling back then by betting on teams he played for or against other baseball teams (And honestly who knows for sure if he was or not) the banning him for his transgressions as a manager (not a player) doesn't cut in my opinion |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 22 2011, 09:54 AM Post #21 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Tortured-- congratulations on 13 years! Keep that streak going. Damn impressive. Pete was close to being re-instated and public opinion was on his side, circa 2002. He appeared at the World Series that year in some "Greatest Moments in MLB Voted on By People Who Love Cal Ripken Too Much" and he was there with a smug grin on his face while he received a standing ovation. Pete's look seemed to say "Fuck you, Selig. The fans love me". After he had been ambushed by an NBC reporter (I forget the guy's name) the year before, it looked like the wheels would get rolling on Pete's reinstatement. Then he came out with his book "My Prison Without Bars" in which he stated his gambling was a "victimless crime". Then he went to a frickin' CASINO for his book signing. I was in Las Vegas in March 2009. We walked by one of those overpriced memorabilia stores in a mall attached to the Bellagio. Guess who was there, in the flesh, signing crap (for about 60 bucks)-- Pete Rose. I don't have an issue with a player doing an autograph signing, yet the fact that it was Pete Rose, 200 feet away from a casino in the gambling capital of North America? Gee, something's fishy. Then there's my old Pete Rose story from about May 1992. I was in high school and drove up to one of those sports cards show to spend 20 bucks to get Pete Rose's autograph (this was before I understood that autographs were available for free). The little kid in front of me was wearing an A's hat. He got up the table and Pete, noticing the A's cap, asked him: "how many homeruns do you think Mark McGwire will hit this year?" The kid was silent. Pete said: "well, I betcha' he won't even hit 50. I'll betcha' an ice cream? Deal?" Everyone around the table kinda' smirked or awkwardly giggled. Pete then said: "oh, that's right... you should never bet on anything" with a wink. I don't have a problem with Pete admitting he gambled...the problem I have is that he doesn't understand why it's bad, or that he's addicted. I say: let Pete Rose's candidacy be decided on by the Veteran's Committee (or whatever the official name is, of the body that votes in oldsters). As long as Ray Fosse has a vote, I'm cool with that. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 22 2011, 11:09 AM Post #22 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I seem to recall the, or a, Pete Rose incident. It was during the 1999 World Series. The next game, Chad Curtis hit a walk off Home Run, then snubbed the same interviewer for a post-game interview. Something like "We didn't like the way you talked to Pete, so we're not talking to you." Apparently, NO ONE backed Chad up, not even Derek Jeter, and he was traded once the thwomping of the Braves was complete. This memory is still available on the Yankees 1996-2001 DVD Collection, because they decided to use that Game (3?) as one of the highlights for the set. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 22 2011, 04:37 PM Post #23 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Yup... after looking it up, the reporter was Jim Gray. The full transcript of the Pete Rose interview is even cited on Wikipedia: Jim Gray's Pete Rose Interview The Chad Curtis bit is even referenced at the bottom. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Jun 22 2011, 11:46 PM Post #24 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Thanks. I started in GA at age 28 and single (which is not the norm as most people are older than that and married). I'm 41 now and married so I have more things in my life to lose Day by Day I hope to never go back Yes, it was Jim Gray who "blind sided" Pete Rose. But yes the casino stuff made Rose look like a hypocrite and someone in denial. Which he probably is |
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