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Topic Started: Oct 25 2011, 05:12 PM (68,374 Views)
torturedsoulv1
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What mid card acts from ECW besides Zack Ryder, Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger would you consider being over ? Ryder actually started on ECW as half of the Major Brothers with Curt Hawkins, they went to Smackdown, then Ryder went back to ECW on his own.

Bourne was over, so that I agree, but he is close to being released now

Ezekiel Jackson, Tyler Reks, Trent Baretta, Abraham Washington, Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins are not over.

Most fans love Tyson Kidd, but he is not pushed.

Kozlov, Tiffany, Hurricane, Chavo, Burchill are all gone (and Hurricane/Chavo were in WWE many years before that).

Christian was well known before ECW. Same with Mark Henry, Regal and Goldust (Regal is more an announcer now and Golddust an agent).

Punk did start on ECW, so there is one main eventer from ECW.

I may be missing some, but I don't think there are too many that are over in the midcard
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CM Punk, John Morrison, Evan Bourne and Zack Ryder are good examples. I would argue that Mark Henry finally perfected his character on ECW and became a main event calibur guy working the show. It elevated Tommy Dreamer to an extent. I think Elijah Burke was heading places before they released him. I think it even helped elevate Christian to an extent and made the Miz seem more like a star.

The problem is, a lot of guys got time to work on ECW and they promptly fucked them over.
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But I think the big three successes from ECW are:

CM Punk
John Morrison
Zack Ryder
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torturedsoulv1
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I totally forgot Miz and I agree with you on that. I would have him number 2
after Punk.

Morrison is gone, so I didnt think of him. ECW did elevate him as a singles wrester.


Totally disagree about Dreamer. He never was as big in The WWE as he was in the original
ECW.

Burke didn't last long enough to have been elevated.

Christian and Henry I disagree. I think in Christian's case TNA made him a bigger star
than ECW. Henry, I understand what you are saying. But he went from ECW to Raw, was pushed
in one program against Orton when Orton was champ. But then he was barely a midcarder,left
out of Wrestlemania the next 2 years (i think it was 2, maybe just 1). Drafted to Smackdown, turned heel at the draft and that was when he became a main eventer in WWE IMO.
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Mad Dog,May 3 2012
05:06 PM
But I think the big three successes from ECW are:

CM Punk
John Morrison
Zack Ryder

We both forgot Sheamus

Definitely higher tham Miz, Morrison or Ryder.


Going back to your original post on this, I was wrong, but if anything there have been more world champs (Swagger, Miz, Punk, Sheamus), than mid-card (Ryder, Kofi, Bourne) from ECW.

Then again even though Swagger and Miz won world titles, they are not main eventers

For the divas, Kelly Kelly, Alicia Fox and Eve started in ECW
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How can we forget TEST's big run in ECW? Hilarious that they ran the first promo/vignette saying: "Test is coming"...and he debuted about 20 minutes later.

Mike Knox was another guy that got called up to the big brands as lower-mid-card filler. I thought he had more significance, though, as in the "Smackdwon vs Raw 2011" he's part of a tag team called "Truth & Consequences" with R-Truth. A team that never existed in the "real" world, but they're the tag team champs in one story in the game.
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Scrooge McSuck
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Combing through random stuff from 2002, a year I'm not the most fond of, and completely forgot about the whole Draft. Honestly, I don't know the entire details of it, but I remember scratching my head at how someone was able to pick not just a tag team, but a whole stable of wrestlers with one pick, and then I swear remembering Flair drafting Lita. It was some really random and dumb choices.

It's been a while, but was the "post-show" drafting of the midcarders really done at random? I want to say I recall that being news at the time, but again... it's been a while.
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Scrooge McSuck,May 8 2012
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Combing through random stuff from 2002, a year I'm not the most fond of, and completely forgot about the whole Draft. Honestly, I don't know the entire details of it, but I remember scratching my head at how someone was able to pick not just a tag team, but a whole stable of wrestlers with one pick, and then I swear remembering Flair drafting Lita. It was some really random and dumb choices.

It's been a while, but was the "post-show" drafting of the midcarders really done at random? I want to say I recall that being news at the time, but again... it's been a while.

Yeah the NWO being drafted as a unit was strange

I remember Vince laughing at Flair for drafting Lita, saying you drafted a girl

The divas were more important 10 years ago, but yes any diva being more important than a top 10 male wrestler doesn't make sense even then

Wasn't that also the year where Austin was exempt from the draft and could pick whatever show he wanted to be on as per his contract (another dumb thing IMO)

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I totally forgot the Austin thing... yeah, it was "Hey a Draft... except for the following rules and exclusions."

Chris Benoit was drafted by Smackdown, but returned on Raw, then got traded to Smackdown... go figure.
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Watched parts of No Way Out 2004, today (Eddie vs. Brock Lesnar). I noticed that the "WWE Announcing Style" must be to eliminate pronouns. No "he", "him" or "his".

So instead of a natural call of something like "he hops back in the ring and hits Lesnar with a drop-kick", it's "Eddie Guerrero hops back in the ring and Eddie Guerrero hits Brock Lesnar with a drop-kick". Which may be why, as a WWE announcer, you'd probably look forward to a match with EDGE, simply because he has a one syllable name.
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Rolling through the In Your House PPV's, but skipping over the few that are already featured on Da' Site, but figured "why the hell not" in the short-form opinions, since those were from the era where I was relgiously watching WWF, but slowly losing interest.


IYH 5 (later tagged Season's Beatings):


- Razor Ramon & Marty Jannetty vs. Sid & The Kid - I really disliked the angle between Ramon and the Kid, and for a match that I should've enjoyed (I liked 3 of the 4 at the time), I really didn't. It felt very by the numbers, kind of like a televised house show with a random tag team match as it's main event.


- Ahmed Johnson vs. Buddy Landell - Originally supposed to be Dean Douglas, but he said screw the WWF or whatever, and gets replaced by a SMW call up, who gets squashed in 30-seconds. Post-match, Jarrett return and bashes Ahmed over the head in a case of Insta-Feud.


- Hogpen Match: Henry Godwinn vs. Hunter Heast Helmsley. The highlight was the return of Hillbilly Jim. I swear to God, that was my honest to God reaction at the time. Considering my only exposure to him was rentals of WrestleMania 2, III, and IV, that's a really awful sign. Slow match with the obvious result. Helmsley gets messy.


- Diesel vs. Owen Hart - Diesel gets revenge for Shawn Michaels and the Enziguri of Death by squashing Owen in 4-minutes before being lamely disqualified.


- Undertaker vs. King Mabel - Coffin Match, and blowoff to the stupid face-crushing incident. Also the blowoff of Mabel being worth a damn in the WWF, as he was taken off T.V. soon after, only making a handful of appearances before returning in 1999 as Viscera. Short match, but it still sucked. The WWF sure did kill the casket match gimmick hard between 1994 and 1996...


- Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog - The only match really worth a damn on the whole show. It's almost a sequel to their SummerSlam classic, and Diana gets involved in the drama again, but this time is fully supportive of Davey Boy. Bret does a bloodbath blade job (oops, ACCIDENTALLY cut, my bad) in the era of No Blood, and stains Davey's white tights pink by the end. Probably one of Davey's last great singles matches (the other being the European Title Finals against Owen in 1997).


I completely ignored the whole Savio Vega/Ted Dibiase/Santa crap... can you blame me?
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Buddy Landell is really a solid worker and a great interview. I wish the WWF had given him a push of some sort.
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Scrooge McSuck,Jun 12 2012
03:01 PM
I completely ignored the whole Savio Vega/Ted Dibiase/Santa crap... can you blame me?

DiBiase: "Do you believe in Santa Claus?"
Savio: "Yes, I believe in the magic of Santa Claus!"

After him constantly inserting "the magic of", I think anybody would bash Savio over the head. Just answer the frickin' question, nimrod.

Landell had a WWF title shot against Bret Hart on RAW. Not a huge push, but it was something. At the time, there was some minor fan concern that the WWF might try to take a shot at WCW by having their version of "Nature Boy" with the title.
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Continuing with the In Your House series, the first one to officially have a tagline for the broadcast: Good Friends, Better Enemies.

Quickie Comments:

- Solid Free For All Match between recently debuted Marc Mero and piece of crap 1-2-3 Kid.

- For whatever reason, the advertised Jake Roberts vs. British Bulldog match was turned into a tag match involving Ahmed Johnson and Owen Hart. It still sucked.

- Vader vs. Razor Ramon was kind of long and dull. Since this ended up being Ramon's last match on TV, you can tell he's dogging it, and hardly makes Vader look too good.

- The Godwinns vs. Body Donnas was the usual boring tag match the WWF produced in 1996. Damn, that division was in shambles.

- Diesel vs. Shawn Michaels was quite clearly an outstanding match, for obvious reasons. The spot I remember most was Diesel attacking one of the Vachon's (Mad Dog?) and removing his prosthetic foot to use as a weapon. Now THAT is being a heel. Easily the only match worth a damn on the entire PPV.


- Oh wait, I forgot the Intercontinental Title Match between Goldust and the recently returned Ultimate Warrior. Tidbit: I actually asked to order the PPV because of this match (and to a lesser extent, Diesel/HBK), because I was a kid and I still loved the Ultimate Warrior. You cannot imagine how pissy I was, watching this "match" take place, with absolutely nothing happening, and then Goldust taking a walk for the count-out. I don't recall the length, but this had to be 10-minutes of wasted time, and an incredibly cheap stunt pulled by the WWF. For shame. I remained loyal to WWF television, but after this, missing PPV's became more and more regular until I stopped all together between WrestleMania 13 and IYH: Badd Blood (excluding SummerSlam, which was always a birthday order). I won't say this show alone was the cause of the decline in my opinion, but every little bit helps, and I hated cheap tricks and switches like that.
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Little things build up and before you realize it, you've lost interest.

One thing that distanced my dad from wrestling was Ric Flair's "heart attack" angle in 1998. He thought it was real and wanted to send Flair a get well card. He was pissed that it was all fake, felt ripped off and didn't watch as much, after that.
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