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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 27 2012, 08:05 AM Post #241 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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To recycle an old joke: one of the 12 Labours of Hercules was that he had to wrestle JYD once every six months. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 29 2012, 03:23 PM Post #242 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Looked up some old clips of the Jake Roberts/Honky Tonk Man feud from 1987. It was actually a pretty well done feud with a lot of heat. A key highlight being when Honky dressed up as Kim Chee and caused Jake to lose to (and get squashed by) Kamala on SNME. Then Honky going off on the "ban the DDT" campaign, just to be a dick. Too bad they never had a proper blow-off and the whole thing just kinda' died around August or so. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 29 2012, 03:41 PM Post #243 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I always enjoyed the psychology and build to pretty much all of Jake's feuds during his babyface run (Honky, Rude, Andre, Dibiase, and yes, even the Martel blind angle), but could never stand to watch the matches they built up to. It seemed like he settled too into a particular formula for his babyface stuff, kind of like the cliche' Randy Savage babyface "get beat up the entire match until the last 90 seconds" crap. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 29 2012, 03:54 PM Post #244 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Yer' absolutely right after babyface Jake. To me, he always seemed younger and more spry when he was a heel (even in 1991/92). For some reason, whenever he was a face in the 80's and early 90's it seemed like he aged himself by 10-15 years. Storyline-wise, Jake had some of the more memorable feuds of the day. All the way up to Damien getting "killed". I remember my mom watching that match against Earthquake and almost crying. She said something like: "Awww. Poor Jake. I'd be sad if someone sat on my puppy". His only truly forgettable feud was with Bad News Brown. But even that started off, okay. Just two bad dudes wanting to fight; until they brought in sewer rats. So I guess the moral is: if you want to watch Jake's WWF highlights, just look for the actual incidents and the ensuing interviews. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Jun 29 2012, 07:36 PM Post #245 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Speaking of Jake. I still think the WWF really dropped the ball on doing a Jake/Austin feud in 1996. They had the angle, with Austin abusing/squashing an injured Jake to win the King Of The Ring event and going on his anti-Christian tirade in the post-match interview. They had the perfect outcome, with Austin going over Jake in short order, after Jake got healthy and no longer had any excuses. Hell, they even had the chemistry together: with Jake playing the grizzled veteran and Austin playing the nasty, young, tough heel. Even if the matches weren't great, Austin still could have learned something from Jake in the elements of psychology and interview skills. It would've been a perfect In Your House match. Short brawl, Jake controls with his normal stuff, Austin gets the heat, Jake comes back, DDT, Austin kicks out, Stunner. Boom. Done. And then Jake fucks off and never comes back to embarrass himself again. The perfect outcome. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 29 2012, 07:54 PM Post #246 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I thought the blowoff at King of the Ring was fine for what it was. Jake gets by a couple of guys to get deep into the tournament, gets destroyed by Vader and lucks his way into the finals, tries to gut it out, and gets massacred by Austin to cap it off, because Austin didn't give a shit about how unfair the level was with Jake being "injured." Considering Jake no-showed International Incident (or whatever the reason he missed it on little notice, then taken off TV until SummerSlam), it seems like a good idea they didn't go with it any further. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Jun 30 2012, 01:45 AM Post #247 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Eh, I still think Austin going over Jake, cleanly, would've legitimized him early in his newest run. Jake had some credibility. Some. And he could have given it all away to Austin. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Jun 30 2012, 03:22 PM Post #248 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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While I understand what you are saying, Austin took off under the Stone Cold character anyway, so it doesn't matter that he didn't have a program with Jake the Snake. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jul 1 2012, 08:41 AM Post #249 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Picked up The Greatest Stars of the 90's set for cheap(ish), and while the "documentary" portion is junk due to fitting 16 bio's into about 90-minutes, the extras are packed with solid selections: Disc 2: Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair - 11/91 MSG Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels - Survivor Series '92 Hulk Hogan vs. Yokozuna - King of the Ring Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - WrestleMania X Diesel vs. Razor Ramon - 4/94 Title Change Sting vs. Vader - Slamboree '94 Bret Hart vs. Diesel - Rumble '95 Alundra Blayze vs. Bull Nakano - 4/3/95 Raw Disc 3: Diese/HBK vs. Bulldog/Yokozuna - IYH 3 Owen Hart vs. Shawn Michaels - IYH 6 Shawn Michaels vs. Vader - SummerSlam '96 Mankind vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley - SummrSlam 97 Hulk Hogan vs. Lex Luger - 8/4/97 Nitro Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker - SummerSlam '98 Sting vs. Bret Hart - Havoc '98 Triple H vs. The Rock - Fully Loaded '99 Disc 2 slips a bit with terrible matches between Sting/Bret and HHH/Rock, but a lot of these matches will never see the light of day on any normal DVD set (Diesel/Ramon, Hulk/Flair, Alundra/Nakano), and stuff pulled from PPV is pretty much top-notch quality. Watching Owen/Bret, and it reminds me as a little kid how little hope I gave Owen going into this match, being completely stunned he won, and totally buying him as a top level threat from that point on. |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 1 2012, 11:57 AM Post #250 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Those DVDs started to wear thin on me relatively quickly because it felt like they were shuffling around the same 40-50 matches over and over again. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jul 7 2012, 07:19 AM Post #251 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Something I've always wondered about from a backstage POV... did someone get cold feet with Luger winning the title at SummerSlam '93, or did everyone really believe that putting off the eventual title win (that never came) was the right way to go? Considering all the hype they put into that push with Luger as the hybrid love-child of Hulk Hogan and Jesus, riding around america on a bus promoting himself and the WWF, all summer long, how do you not pull the trigger? |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Jul 7 2012, 10:44 AM Post #252 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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I agree. But I think they felt he wasn't getting over with the fans as much as they had hoped. |
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| The Swigg Lebowski | Jul 8 2012, 12:45 PM Post #253 |
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Current Two Time DWB Champion
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He wasn't over with the fans, and he wasn't over with the office, either. Luger was known for lacking passion, and that probably played against him over time. |
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| dynamite kido | Jul 11 2012, 11:45 AM Post #254 |
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Harry Reems is my hero.
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Actually Luger opened up his mouth to I believe a newspaper at the time that he was winning the title. Clearly, the WWF found out and balked on the whole deal. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jul 11 2012, 01:30 PM Post #255 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I keep hearing the excuse "fans didn't care" but has that EVER stopped a Vince McMahon idea? King Mabel? WWF Champ Diesel for 12 Months? The lengthy use of fake Razor and Diesel... I'd like to think it was a "holier than thou" attitude he always seemed to have, on top of being a "WCW guy", because lord knows Bret Hart loved himself too, but it didn't effect him as much because he was a "WWF property" I guess. |
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