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Topic Started: Oct 25 2011, 05:12 PM (68,355 Views)
Erick Von Erich
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Scrooge McSuck,Dec 5 2013
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Might as well watch my Best of Big Bully Busick compilation, next.

This smells like "What Is He Thinking Vol. VIII".

Or did you copy over that 12 hour compilation of Brutus Beefcake/Johnny Valiant haircut matches?
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Funny you would mention that... the last time I tried pushing myself to suffer through one of those "ridiculous compilations no one in their right mind would want to sit through", I stopped halfway through and didn't watch anything for about three weeks. For the record, it was a "Best" of the Quebecers, 1998, set. What the fuck was up with the powder blue singlets?!
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I know ratings, especially those of the star variety, are always a very subjective debate, but honestly, what's the point of a ****3/4 rating? Is there some minor imperfection that eats someone's asshole that makes a ***** match not quite 5-star? I know I've toggled between 1/2 and full stars before, but usually when it comes to **3/4 or ***3/4. If a match is arguably 5-stars, then go with 5-stars. If not, then 4 1/2. 4 3/4 just seems very nitpicky.
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Going back and watching Rumble's from 2003-2006, I was thinking of when Smackdown went down the shitter, brought in a "TV executive" to run things, and introduced the Juniors (Midget) Division. I swore the guy's name was Carson Palmer. Wikipedia search later, and he was a fairly successful NFL quarterback, primarily with Cincinnati. I guess I was thinking of Palmer Cannon (a.k.a PC, har har).
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Not recapping the show, so I watched the Royal Rumble from 2010, since it might be the only Rumble match I've never seen before. Can't believe I missed out on CM Punk's awesome run where he would cut a promo, eliminate the person, and go back to agitating the fans and taunt the next entrant. Also, Shawn Michaels' determination to win to face World Champ Undertaker in a WM Rematch, only to have his heart broken with a late elimination, was some awesome story-telling. Very few dead spots and well-paced eliminations make this a keep from the latest era of Rumbles.
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Scrooge McSuck,Jan 10 2014
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Can't believe I missed out on CM Punk's awesome run where he would cut a promo, eliminate the person, and go back to agitating the fans and taunt the next entrant.

I'd say that was my favorite highlight, as well. Only thing that bugged me was commentator Matt Striker (but we've mentioned his shortcomings before). When Punk said: "it's Clobberin' Time", Striker jumped on with: "let's see who's next for BEN GRIMM!!" As if to say: "hey, I got his blatantly obvious comic book reference. Look at me!!"
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I must have learned to mute Striker's commentary, I don't even remember his little quip about that. I must have been enjoying it too much to notice. :P
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I hate Striker so much and never quite understood the internet's love for him.

JBL has been quite the nuisance on commentary in the past few months too. I think Vince is feeding him every douchey line he wishes he could be saying on the air.
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People liked him? I was out of the loop for almost all of that time period, but it appears a lot of people are in agreement, at least in hindsight, that he was pretty awful... what show was it where he actually uttered "I'm markin' out, bro", like some bush leaguer?

JBL can be a great heel commentator, but yeah, being fed lines by one of the worst commentator's ever isn't a great thing to keep things fresh.
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I think people figured him out after a while, but I do remember a lovefest for him at first.

Part of what hurt his appeal to me (based on my own biases, I'll admit) was when he gloated about Prop 8 passing on a November 2008 episode of ECW. That shit pissed me off and has no place on a wrestling broadcast.
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Wow, what an asshole. That's something that has nothing to do with sports entertainment, but let's thrust our opinions in a serious situation onto fans watching this show.

Taking that out, he came across as the worst of everything: His cliché's were annoying and mostly confused, his humor was terrible, and like mentioned above, he just had a habit of having to explain EVERYTHING. Like we really need to know the story behind It's Clobberin' Time? REALLY? WHO CARES!
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He seemed to think that he was awfully cute for knowing trivial bullshit (some obscure, some that fell into the "no fucking shit" category, like the Marvel thing).
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As much as I am proud of being a "smart" fan (more as in the knowledge of the business, not the drama/gossip of backstage), I can't stand someone kissing up to that audience with cute lingo/references on a regular basis. We're not anywhere near the key demograph, so failing at sucking up to us also alienates the casual fans who have no clue what you're talking about and don't appreciate you trying to come across as this "holier than thou" asshole because you know some Indy company that Daniel Bryan worked for.
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Random thoughts time!

So, I just watched WCW World War 3 1997, because... I don't know.. it seemed like a good idea at the time.

And its random thoughts time, because I don't feel like writing a full review.

- You gotta love WCW's habit of opening their shows with heatless, relatively meaningless matches. That being said, The Cat and Glacier vs. The Faces Of Fear was a pretty solid match. The Cat, in his pre- "James Brown wannabe" gimmick was a beast in this match. His karate kicks actually got a really solid response from the crowd and his timing was very good. The Cat seems to be one of those hot and cold guys, like (no pun intended) his partner Glacier. Some nights he blows spots left and right and other nights he was right on the money. For this event; shockingly on the money. Also, he had a really cool spot, springboarding off the chest of Barbarian to crossbody Meng on the floor.

- Disco Inferno vs. Saturn for the TV title was better and probably a bit longer, than it had any right to be. It started slow, but eventually built to Disco scoring quite a bit of offense and actually getting the Detroit crowd behind him. Of course, Saturn would go over in the end with his submission and I'm not sure what, if anything, happened with the whole "Disco has a serious streak" angle they seemed to be going for.

- Ultimo Dragon vs. Yuji Nagata was... well... it was Ultimo Dragon vs. Yuji Nagata in 1997, in Detroit. Nagata's heat sequence was boring as shit, after Ultimo's hot start. Eventually, Nagata had to cheat to win, using Sonny Ono as a springboard to escape a back suplex and kinda, sorta, botching what I think was supposed to be an illegal pin.

- The Steiner Brothers vs. The Blue Bloods was a fairly solid, if not slightly boring, tag-title match. Regal and Taylor got a bunch of offense in, Steiner got the hot tag, cleans house, Steiner Bulldog and done. Formulaic and predictable but decent.

- Raven vs. Scotty Riggs in a Raven's Rules match was, in complete and utter sincerity, Scotty Rigg's best match ever. Ever. Riggs was out for revenge in this one, having his eye injured in a previous match with Raven. Riggs starts out hot, gets a load of offense, capped by a running bulldog on an open chair. Raven, playing into the story of the match, turns a botched attempt at slipping out of a vertical suplex into the finish, as Bobby Heenan, the utter professional he is, covers it up on commentary by claiming that "Riggs only has one eye and he lost Raven. He dropped the man and just lost him on the blindside." Raven DDT's the shit out of Riggs three times, screaming into the microphone about "feeling his pain" and "join me, Riggs!". Raven gets declared the winner by knockout and Riggs gets dragged off by The Flock to be indoctrinated as a member. A solid angle, on what was basically a filler show.

- Also, you gotta love WCW's bullshit bait and switch practices. Steve McMichael is set to wrestle Goldberg next when "Mongo" reveals he laid Goldberg out with a lead pipe. "Mongo's" wife, Debra, drags Alex Wright, of all people, out to wrestle Mongo. Crap match. Mongo wins with the Mongo Spike. 'Nuff said.

- Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero proves that even good wrestlers can have a really lousy off night. Rey and Eddie botch the shit out of things so badly it becomes hard at times to tell what they were even trying for. Its tough to watch. Eventually, Eddie scores with a Frogsplash to win and put this dog to sleep.

- Ric Flair vs. Curt Hennig for the U.S. Title in a no-disqualification match is, in my mind, almost a hidden gem. People tend to ignore World War 3 as a filler show with a gimmicky main event. Which is true. But this match is a hidden, not classic, but solid match in Hennig's WCW career. One of very few, to be honest. Flair takes it to Hennig early, wanting to get revenge from Hennig's betrayal at that year's Wargames match, wherein Hennig turned on his partners and slammed the cage door on Flair's head. Flair injures himself early, after a fun brawl through the crowd (before that was a thing WWF did in every main event) he tries a top rope to the floor axe handle but slips when he lands and injures his ankle. Hennig takes over and its fairly back and forth solid stuff. Eventually, Flair gets the advantage using a chair to Pillmanize Hennig's leg only to get laid out by a title belt shot for the loss. The early injury plays into the finish, as Flair disdainfully drops the belt by Hennig and locks in the Figure Four. Hennig uses the belt to smash Flair's injured ankle and then clocks him in the head to pin him. Really solid stuff. Maybe Hennig's best WCW match.

- The actual World War 3 battle royal is a clusterfuck of clusterfucky-ing proportions. In true WCW fashion, half the show is spent talking up how Raven and his group are going to a factor in things. None of them are in the match. Flair and Goldberg, both advertised as part of the match aren't in it. Though that's due to storyline injuries and not just announcer idiocy. Instead of using recognizable guys like The Flock or more NWO guys, WCW has about 30 jobbers and indie guys fill out the match. During the course of things, it feels like the producers and directors are never on the same page. Eliminations happen off screen. Schiavone doesn't know who half the indie guys are. Its kind of a mess. But still a fun mess. Eventually, Kevin Nash, cosplaying as the tallest Sting ever, rappels from the roof as The Giant is being double teamed by Scott Hall and Hulk Hogan, enters the ring, and cracks The Giant with a bat to eliminate him and allowing Scott Hall to be the winner. Its an awful swerve to end a pretty decent filler show. But that's WCW for you. For those curious, Scott Hall would in fact get his title Match against Sting in a losing effort at Superbrawl. That event was overshadowed by the Sting/Hogan match scheduled for Starrcade the month after this show. That's like having the Royal Rumble winner wrestle the WWF champion at Backlash instead of WrestleMania.

- In all, a fairly solid show. Its a filler show for sure. Setting up the main event for a show two months away at the time. Although nothing was really incredible, I'd still strongly recommend checking out Flair/Hennig to see Hennig's last hurrah of actual ambition and relevance.
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Great write-up on World War 3!

The "indie guys" in the Main Event were actually all under contract to WCW at the time. They were a buncha' "WCW Saturday Night" jobber guys and the luchadores. Chris Adams, Silver King, El Dandy, Greg Valentine, etc. Looking back, I'm surprised they didn't trot out Johnny Attitude, Horshu or High Voltage.

I remember reading a lot of online love for Yuji Nagata at the time, but the guy always bored me to death in WCW.
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