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| Scrooge McSuck | May 8 2014, 04:29 PM Post #556 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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From HistoryofWWE.com... Night after WM 19: Rob Van Dam & Kane defeated the Dudley Boyz and WWE Raw Tag Team Champions Lance Storm & Chief Morley (sub. for William Regal) in an elimination match to win the titles; RVD pinned D-Von with the Van Daminator; RVD pinned Morley with the Five Star Frog Splash after Kane hit the chokeslam on both opponents; due to prematch stipulations, had RVD and Kane not won the match they would be forced to work for Chief Morley |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | May 8 2014, 06:08 PM Post #557 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Fun fact - Steve Blackman - Yes, that Steve Blackman. Hardcore champion, kendo stick wielding, Head Cheese-ing, Steve Blackman was actually set to debut in the WWF all the way back in the mid-80's and even did a few preliminary job matches (most notably teaming with Outback Jack and current pedophile Steve Gatorwolf in a losing six-man effort against all three members of Demolition) but was stricken with a debilitating disease while in Africa soon before debuting. Blackman was comatic for a year and eventually came out of it. He rehabbed for months afterwards, eventually joining the WWF as a full time roster member in 1997. |
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| Erick Von Erich | May 9 2014, 03:30 PM Post #558 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Make that: teaming with the All Star Jobber Team against the (3) Islanders. [doHTML]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2H3E58dlK2U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/doHTML] Please tell me the "fun fact" did not come from some notorious cut n' pasters. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | May 9 2014, 04:23 PM Post #559 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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WWE.com has a "Where Are they Now" article on him, but I'm too lazy to check that. I remember back in my early tape trading days going "woah, STEVE BLACKMAN was a Syndies Jobber in the late 80's?" Even more surprising: Three Islanders. Oh, how easy it was to please a geek with old rasslin' footage. Then YouTube and DailyMotion made me go nuts for years. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | May 9 2014, 04:24 PM Post #560 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Watching a whole bunch of TV stuff from 1993 for obvious reasons, and I'm surprised Michaels/Jannetty was never done again on PPV. I guess the disappointment of Rumble '93 made them a bit weary to do it again on such a basis, or maybe Jannetty's tendencies to get fired at the drop of a dime (bag). The match on a July episode of Raw is probably the best TV match of the year (although I still say Bret/Perfect from KOTR is the best WWF match of 1993). |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | May 9 2014, 06:10 PM Post #561 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Indeed not, EVE. I've seen that particular match and just went from memory. I remembered wrong. But Steve Gatorwolf is a pedophile. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | May 9 2014, 08:31 PM Post #562 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Sick fuck... Gatorwolf, that is. Throw him in a cell with Buck Zumhoffe and throw away the key. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | May 11 2014, 07:08 PM Post #563 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Watching the 1994 Rumble Match, and a few observations... - There's a spot where Tenryu gives Shawn and Fatu the "double noggin knocker." Shawn sells it like death, and Fatu of course doesn't sell it at all, because all Samoan's have coconut heads. - I didn't get using the Great Kabuki. They just introduced Kwang, a cheap knock-off of the Great Muta who spits mists, and then trot Kabuki out there and all he does he stand around for 2-minutes. Dibiase with the best out of context line: He's not here to win, he's here to do a job (storyline: Kabuki and Tenryu were hired to make sure Luger loses, yet Tenryu rarely focuses his attention on Luger.) - Luger and Tatanka have a babyface slugfest for 30-seconds to NO reaction. - Diesel pretty much earns the crowd's love by tossing Owen, and of course goes on further with the domination. This was the first of it's kind, so no surprise it's been called the "Diesel Push" in Rumble matches. - Tenryu gets in the way of the mini-match between Michaels and Jannetty. At least he actually tried this year. In 1993, he spent 98% of his time in the ring standing around, looking confused. - Bret Hart gets the best pop of the match for his entrance. Thank goodness we got Bret Hart walking out of Mania X with the belt instead of Luger. The crowd simply stopped caring about Luger at this point, and were only marginally interested in his super-Hulk push of the previous Summer. The crowd is a mix of cheers and boos for Luger's announcement as winner, but is all cheers for Bret. - Bret's pissed off reaction to the long tease is pretty awesome. Luger's all "duuuuuuuuuuuuh." |
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| Mad Dog | May 12 2014, 03:08 PM Post #564 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Watching Raw, they really just screwed Luger from the start. They turned him face too quick, his heel gimmick was stupid. And Summerslam was just it. He looked so stupid with how that went down that the fans just couldn't get behind him. |
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| lucaskieren | May 12 2014, 03:24 PM Post #565 |
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The night is dark and full of spoilers
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In one week I am going to both raw and smackdown tapings and the week after that I start training to become a pro wrestling referee, is life good for me for once or what!!!!! |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | May 12 2014, 05:41 PM Post #566 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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So, last night I decided to check out WCW World War 3 1998, in what would be that particular event's last show as it was replaced in 1999 by the one-time, Vince Russo- created Mayhem. In lieu of doing a full on, blow-by-blow review of this show, I figured I'd do what I did for the 1997 edition of this show and just give a few random thoughts. - Oddly, earlier in the month/a few weeks before the show was to take place, a hype video for an aborted Lex Luger/ Goldberg title match ran on a couple episodes of Nitro, Thunder, and WCW's syndicated weekend shows. For whatever reason, the match was pulled from the show and the videos were quietly shelved. - This leaves Goldberg, WCW's hottest prospect of the time, without a match on the show. Also, no Hogan on the show. Hogan, at the time, was taking time off from wrestling after the windowed abortion of a match he had with The Ultimate Warrior at Halloween Havoc the month before. - First match of the evening is Wrath vs. Glacier in what amounts to being an 8 minute squash match. Wrath, in an attempt to badly replicate Goldberg - oddly by the company that already employed Goldberg - kept Wrath undefeated for quite some time before Wrath was quite easily beaten by Kevin Nash on an episode of Nitro. Boring match - Wrath beats down Glacier. Glacier, being at the end of his usefulness, barely gets any offense in. He makes a comeback toward the end of the match, hits his Cryonic Kick, tries for his Icepick - Glacier's version of an Asiatic Spike, but gets countered, and powered into The Meltdown - Wrath's stupidly slow pumphandle slam for the loss. - Konnan vs. Stevie Ray is next in another boring match. Bobby Heenan's commentary is the only entertaining thing about this one as he, seemingly not paying attention to his own commentary, puts over Stevie Ray. Tony Shiavone then asks him if he was speaking about Konnan. Heenan responds to Tony; "No, I meant Konnan." Anyway, after about six minutes of action that would make the word "pedestrian" sound like a compliment, Konnan, stupidly because the match wasn't hot or coming off of an angle, snaps on Stevie, mounts him for punches and gets disqualified for not breaking in time. Booker T comes out to make an awkward "save", but instead has an awkward sort of "confrontation" with Stevie as Konnan just walks off uselessly. - A dumb tag-team match is next, pitting the makeshift tag team of Perry "I'm Too Talented For This Crap" Saturn and Kaz Hayashi against Ernest "The Cat" Miller and his manager Sonny Ono. Blech. That is all. Saturn is good and Kaz is a solid if boring cruiserweight, but neither of them can carry the load of a bad Cat and a non-wrestling manager. After about 14 minutes of what could charitably be called "action", The Cat and Ono win when Cat nails Saturn with a pretty generic looking karate kick for the pin. - Following three bad matches, Billy Kidman and Juventud Guerrera hit the ring, with Juventud defending his cruiserweight championship which he recently beat Kidman for. These two tear down the damn house, going full-tilt and not stopping. They manage to use all three rings, with Juvi only train-wrecking a couple of spots. After a lot of back and forth action, Juvi tries a headscissors off the top rope, but Rey Mysterio interferes, due to an angle stemming from a pre-match confrontation with Juvi and Eddie Guerrero, who was doing the ill-conceived LWO thing at time. He holds Kidman, blocking the maneuver and Kidman nails the Shooting Star Press for the win and his title back. Fantastic stuff, even with the interference. - Next up we have our two back-to-back matches that turn out to be just dumb NWO angles. Rick Steiner vs. Scott Steiner never even gets started as the NWO's B-Team guys jump Rick in the back. The Giant drags Rick out to the ring. Scotty beats him down, shuts down a brief comeback and then Goldberg, who mind you, doesn't have a match, hits the ring and runs off the NWO spearing Scott Steiner in the process. - Immediately following that we get our much anticipated return match from Halloween Havoc as Kevin Nash is set to face Scott Hall. Hall enters surrounded by NWO's B-Team guys. Eric Bischoff enters the arena, and, upon his order, The NWO guys beat down Hall. Hall and Nash team up briefly to run off the NWO and then.. basically nothing happens. Stupid. - Two bait and switches right in a row are followed up by a, pedestrian TV Title defense by Chris Jericho against the athletic and energetic but green as freshly mowed grass challenger, Bobby Duncum Junior. Jericho does his best, busting his ass and bumping around for Bobby, but Bobby is painfully unseasoned. Jericho gets a long, pretty boring heat segment on Bobby. The crowd really only reacts to Bobby's hope spots and never gets behind him for a sustained time. Eventually, after more whispering into each other's ears (calling spots or discussing how much WCW was misusing Jericho? Your call.) Jericho clobbers Bobby with the title for the win. - Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Ralphus. For the uninitiated, Ralphus was Jericho's overweight, gap-toothed "bodyguard". In reality, Ralphus wasn't a performer or a worker. He was a friendly ring-truck driver who many of the wrestlers seemed to like. Jericho especially. Adding him to his act Jericho, as a paranoid, conspiracy theorist - got his act over like gangbusters. Jericho was a consistent midcard delight and Ralphus was the fat cherry on top. Also, in act of WCW's legendary poor spending - Ralphus, upon becoming a TV -talent was given a pay raise from $40,000 a year to drive a truck to nearly $300,000 a year. $300,000 a year for doing basically nothing but stand there. Good work if you can get it. - Eh, World War 3 is next. You know the drill - Three rings, 20 guys in each. 60 total. Kevin Nash clears his ring (which includes the likes of Lizmark Junior, Dale Torborg, La Parka, Lodi, Lenny Lane, and Van Hammer - all of whom he deposits to the floor in mere minutes.) Ring 1 is a ring full of WCW's lifetime midcard guys - as Benoit, Malenko, Alex Wright, Disco Inferno, Eddie and Chavo Guerrero, Perry Saturn, The Giant and a handful of other lower-card guys. The middle ring, Ring 2, is just a clutch of assorted whoever - Scott Steiner, Lex Luger, Wrath, The Cat, Juventud and Kidman, Glacier, Scott Norton, Booker T, Scott Hall, and a few others. The match itself is fairly, and here's that word again, pedestrian - as the rings clear in a predictable fashion - leaving a clutch of solid midcard guys, NWO guys, three Horseman, and two Wolfpac guys as our final twenty. Eventually, things come down to Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and Lex Luger. Nash dumps Luger and Hall as both men are tied up in the ropes with Luger trying to Wrack Hall. Kevin Nash wins and goes onto face Goldberg for the title at Starrcade 1998. Nash wins clean with no BS? That's not very WCW. - One other thing; during the final twenty portion of the match, a freshly debuted Bam-Bam- Bigelow tries to interfere and is headed off by security and eventually Goldberg. Live reports indicate that, as the brawl headed off camera but still in front of the live audience, Bigelow would blatantly no-sell a spear from Goldberg. Goldberg would complain, causing Bigelow's push to be abruptly de-emphasized. He'd lose to Goldberg on pay-per-view and then be shuffled down the card into WCW's horrible attempt at a "hardcore" division before being put into a tag-team with Diamond Dallas Page and Kris Kanyon. - The last match of the night is Diamond Dallas Page defending the US title against Bret Hart. Micheal Buffer is there to do the big intro, even though this hardly feels like a massive PPV quality main event. Bret and Dallas work a good Nitro main event. If this match was headlining Nitro against "Stone Cold" Steve Austin wrestling Goldust or Vader, I could see people switching back and forth. As it stands, as a pay-per-view main event it falls a bit flat. Eventually, after some shenanigans with the NWO's crooked ref, a WCW unbiased ref reverses a decision that would have allowed Bret to win the title by cheating. Page recovers in the interim and nails Bret with a Diamond Cutter for the win. - Overall, World War 3 1998 is kind of a bad show. Bret/Page, the titular battle royal and Juvi/Kidman are the only real highlights. The early midcard matches are either flat and boring or just bad and the two more anticipated matches were just angles rather than matches. Not that great. Thumbs down. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | May 12 2014, 08:31 PM Post #567 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Good luck with the referee training. Hope it works out for you |
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| Scrooge McSuck | May 12 2014, 08:40 PM Post #568 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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WCW always had this weird vibe to me. I was a WWF fan throughout, and even though the roster impressed me (as in having what seemed like an endless list of well known names, especially from my childhood), I just had no interest. Reading results and watching shows years later, it's a shame how no one was elevated beyond the midcard except for the Hogan's, Luger's, Nash's hogging the spotlight for 4-5 years. Look at poor Saturn... he does a hot program breaking away from the Flock, and now he's stuck in a meaningless, long, comedy tag match with the Cat and Sonny friggin' Onoo. With KAZ HAYASHI as his partner?! |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | May 13 2014, 02:03 AM Post #569 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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WCW, at the time, wouldn't even feed its midcard guys to the main event guys in matches. That always bothered me. WCW had a fantastic talent roster. The middle of the card was what WWF wished their shows looked like. Compare a WWF Pay-Per-View with Kurrgan and Golga wrestling Mosh and Thrasher in a crappy tag-team match with a WCW show featuring Chris Benoit wrestling Eddie Guerrero. Its just no contest. The problem was, a lot of the ex-WWF "name" guys felt that even by competing with a midcard guy, they'd look bad. So, WCW constantly re-ran the same matches. The same names would always mix it up with the same names. You never saw a Dean Malenko take it to Lex Luger in a really good underdog performance. But, by God... you'd see Luger and Randy Savage sleepwalk through a crappy match. You'd never see a guy like Raven, who in an environment like WCW, could have been a straight main event guy, ever escape the midcard and work with a Bret Hart or a Sting. The Giant once or twice. But then The Giant didn't have any ex-WWF cred. Remember, Goldberg might be WCW's biggest star. But it took him a while to get out of working with scrubs like "Mongo" McMichael and the like. The only reason he was able to break out of the midcard ghetto was because he got over and got pushed like he had a rocket strapped to his tights. (Oh, and because Kevin Sullivan took him off TV for a few weeks after he had Mongo beat him.) There was literally no place for Goldberg to go in the midcard. A Benoit or a Raven or somebody could have beaten him. But then what? Benoit or Raven were midcard for life. Benoit was "too small" and Raven was probably too smart and too protective for his own good. Also, Raven's history of drug problems and the fact he could always walk back into ECW and leave WCW high and dry. And that was WCW's problem. The same "name" guys wrestling the same "name" guys, with the real talent toiling away in midcard Hell. No fresh matches. No fresh faces. No intrigue. There was an episode of RAW where Vince McMahon gave lifetime midcarder Goldust a shot at Steve Austin's WWF title. They had a tidy little match that Austin would go onto win. It didn't hurt Austin and it made Goldust look like a star by hanging in there with a guy higher on the totem than him. If a guy like Hulk Hogan had had a few of those matches with the Chris Benoits, Chris Jerichos, and the like who knows what would have happened. |
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| lucaskieren | May 13 2014, 05:39 AM Post #570 |
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Cheers man, apreciate it alot. |
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