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| torturedsoulv1 | Jul 27 2014, 10:39 PM Post #676 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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They were smart enough to realize the fans weren't buying HTM as a face and they turned him heel pretty quick He was never a great technician. but he played that gimmick perfectly and was a great talker in that role. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jul 28 2014, 11:05 AM Post #677 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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In his first match on Superstars, Vince McMahon actually calls him: "The Honky Tonk Man, Wayne Ferris". I don't think they ever mentioned that, again. I think he debuted, roughly, the same time as Koko B. Ware and the Rougeau Brothers. It's like they were ramping up and adding new characters for the official launch/split of "Championship Wrestling" into "Superstars" and "Challenge". |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 28 2014, 02:25 PM Post #678 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Koko B. Ware, HTM, the Rougeas and Kamala and Sika returned all around that time. I think McMahon called him Wayne Ferris the second time he wrestled on Superstars. His face matches are really bad. He's trying to be this super energetic face and he just doesn't have any moves to go with it. He also had straps on his outfit so he could do a Lawler pull the strap down Hulk up. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Jul 28 2014, 03:37 PM Post #679 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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I just find it absolutely astonishing how painfully, stupidly over The Honkytonk Man was as a heel. For doing nothing. Nothing. He had no moveset, no real ability to keep heat on his opponent. He got over in the "WWF Style" in the 80's by being an excellent "bump and feeder". And his character and charisma made the fans want to hate him. He got over by sticking to his strengths and not trying to fix his weaknesses. He found his formula and made it work for like 20 years. Good for him, I guess. He's just not my taste. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jul 28 2014, 04:54 PM Post #680 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I can deal with the promos, but watching old Honky matches are one of my least favorite experiences. I don't think anyone in WWE could work that style and get away with it, let alone a record breaking reign as Champion (when the title meant something) and headlining the B-tour. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Jul 28 2014, 05:22 PM Post #681 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Eh.... I don't want to sound like a "hater" or a "basher"- But... John Cena kind of works a babyface Honkytonk Man style now. Think about it. He rarely gets a ton of heat on his opponent, wrestles the definition of the modern "WWE Style", and bumps and feeds and sells like a pro. Its just, unlike Honky, Cena makes his comeback as a face, hits his rally moves and his finisher to win. Honky would cheat, have Jimmy Hart interfere for him, or his opponent would make a mistake and Honky would score his finish (really his one move) and win. Back in the day when a "superstar's" finish was a total kill move that was the style a lot of heels employed. Now, Cena's kind of taken that over to the babyface side of the fence. |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 28 2014, 05:33 PM Post #682 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I disagree with that. Cena is a big match worker. You get okay effort on television but on PPV he goes all out. |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 28 2014, 05:34 PM Post #683 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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The way they book early Superstars and Wrestling Challenge is just weird. Koko B. Ware lost his debut match. They love pairing mid-carders up with jobbers and having the jobber eat the pin. Billy Jack Haynes and Dick Slater have lost several matches this way. Just a weird way to book things. |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 28 2014, 05:41 PM Post #684 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Speaking of shit that annoys me. Watching all those IC Title matches where Savage couldn't cleanly beat old ass Pedro Morales still annoys the shit out of me. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jul 28 2014, 07:00 PM Post #685 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Cena's ability to work 3-4 star matches every night is WAY more tolerable than Honky DUD Man. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Jul 28 2014, 07:04 PM Post #686 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Granted - Both Honky and Cena share a certain style. But, Cena is infinitely more talented and a much more capable and harder working wrestler than Honky ever was. |
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| Mad Dog | Jul 29 2014, 04:57 AM Post #687 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I see Cena as more of a Sting type wrestler. HTM is an interesting reign on a lot of levels. It really shouldn't have worked because he wasn't that level of worker but he tapped into something. With all that said, his stuff was consistently my least favorite match on the card. That's not entirely his fault though. They never really threw anyone at him that could get a good match out of him. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Aug 10 2014, 12:17 PM Post #688 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I'm putting together discs of "important stuff and matches" from 1990, like I've done with 1993-1995. Once you hit June, holy crap, did WWF stop putting any quality matches on television. Ontop of cutting ties with local networks other than MSG (and even then, no MSG shows between April and September), there's few feature matches, and stuff pulled from locations like the Maple Leaf Gardens is bottom feeder stuff with guys like Roma, Buddy Rose, and BRADY BOONE. The closest thing to name matches is tag matches where a name (non-pushed guys like Koko, Hercules, Hillbilly Jim, and Ron Garvin) teamed with a scrub. Just a low point for their shows. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Aug 11 2014, 11:12 AM Post #689 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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I've just completed a rather arduous journey via the WWE Network. Over the past week, I've been watching every 2003-era Pay-Per-View event I'd not seen at the time. In all actuality, I was a pretty big fan of the product then and watched all their weekly TV's and usually bought the DVDs when they came out- so I'd seen most of the "important" shows. What I hadn't seen was No Way Out 2003 featuring - The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan in a boring re-match from Wrestlemania, Scott Steiner vs. Triple H in a windowed abortion of a world title match, and an undercard featuring Chris Jericho/Jeff Hardy in a match where Hardy flails about for 15 minutes clearly on something, Kane and Rob Van Dam vs. William Regal and Lance Storm in a match that sees Regal get legit knocked out taking a powerslam, Kidman/Matt Hardy for the cruiserweight title in a show-stealer, an excellent Undertaker/Big Show encounter that sees 'Taker bust out a dive and use a Triangle choke to beat Big Show, and a great Brock Lesnar/Chris Benoit vs. Team Angle and Kurt Angle 3 vs. 2 tag-team match. Overall, not a bad way to start out. Backlash 2003 is clearly a filler show - The RAW side is highlighted by a clunky six-man tag team match featuring Triple H/Ric Flair/Chris Jericho beating Kevin Nash/Shawn Michaels/Booker T when Triple H uses a sledgehammer on Nash, a filler Smackdown! title match between a babyface Brock Lesnar and a game, but green, heel John Cena that's shockingly good, a heel vs. heel Smackdown tag-team championship match between Team Angle/ The Guerreros which is excellent, a fairly goofy RAW tag-team title match featuring The Dudley Boys doing the bidding of Eric Bischoff to knock off Rob Van Dam and Kane for the belts, a meh Trish Stratus/Jazz match - featuring Teddy Long throwing his shoe to break up a cover, an undercard clunker that saw Sean 'O Haire with Roddy Piper pin Rikishi, a fun squash with Big Show beating a game Rey Mysterio and then *thwaking* him in the infamous gurney spot. The highlight of the show is The Rock/Goldberg match with the fans turning on Goldberg after some initial excitement as Rock controls too much of the match and kind of over-extends Goldberg showing his weakness in longer matches. Goldberg wins as Rock was soon to leave at this point. The UK only PPV Insurrection felt like a spot show with every match being a filler match, leading into Bad Blood which was the next weekend. We're treated to Booker T/Christian for the Intercontinental title in a match that barely gets out of second gear, Kane and Rob Van Dam sleepwalking through a tag-title defense against La Resistance, Test/Scott Steiner in a boring power vs. power match, Rico and Goldust in a match with no story, no heat, and no reason to be on the show-- Going almost 20 minutes, a lengthy and pointless Highlight Reel segment with Steve Austin, Eric Bischoff and Chris Jericho basically filling time - complete with Stunners for both Bischoff and Jericho, the Dudley Boys and Spike in a pointless but crowd pleasing match beating Teddy Long and Team Thuggin' and Buggin' - Christopher Nowinski and Rodney Mack, and a fairly listless Kevin Nash/Triple H streetfight which sees Triple H retain with the sledgehammer. Not a great show. Bad Blood 2003 features a lot of the same card from Insurrection, just kicked up a notch for American pay-per-view audiences. Team Thuggin' and Buggin' beat The Dudley Boys in a solid opener when Nowinski cracks Bubba with his Brutus Beefcake style metal face mask. The show is constantly interrupted by these comedy segments involving Steve Austin and Bischoff in a "Redneck Triathlon". Long story short, Austin "wins" a burping contest, a "pie eating contest" when Mae Young returns in the world's oldest thong to stick her crusty muffin in Bischoff's face and Austin forfeits his turn, and a singing competition that turns into a pig-pen match that sees Austin throw Bischoff in pig shit. Its some pointless filler fun. Not bad, just too many segments for a single-branded show. Anyway, Scott Steiner and Test clunk their way through another stinker, which sees Steiner go over and attain Stacey Keibler as his manager, Booker T and Christian wrestle in a match that gets into a good pace and they find the chemistry that was lacking in the UK, as Christian gets intentionally disqualified to keep his title, La Resistance upsets Van-Dam and Kane for the tag-titles, after Rob accidentally wipes out his own partner and eats a double-team hold for the loss. In the three feature matches, Goldberg beats Chris Jericho in Goldberg's best match ever. Despite a really ugly botch (Goldberg was meant to catch Jericho in a Lionsault but didn't get under him in time, so he just kind of improvised) Goldberg looked strong, and got a good pop in going over. He also looked surprisingly good selling an injured shoulder. Shawn Michaels/Ric Flair was not their Wrestlemania 24 match. Actually, it was just a fairly decent back-and-forth match which saw both men hit their usual, with Randy Orton interfering with a chair to give Flair the win. The main event was the biggest surprise of the show. A legitimately good, bloody brawl between Triple H and Kevin Nash in a Hell In A Cell with Mick Foley as the guest ref. This match is a shocking gem. All three guys bleed like crazy and by the end, the tepid crowd reactions for Nash become huge ovations as he comes close to winning the title. Of course, Triple H goes over with a sledgehammer and a Pedigree. Overall, a surprisingly good show. The last 2003 PPV I'd never seen in full was Unforgiven 2003. Its not a bad show, but it features a clearly injury-addled Triple H on top taking on Goldberg in a title vs. career match. This is Triple H in his long shorts and muffin-top days. So, due to this, every "big" match on this show has to go longer to fill time which throws a lot of potentially good matches off-kilter. The show opens strong with a decent Dudley Boys/La Resistance and Rob Conway handicap tables match, which the Duds win in unspectacular but crowd pleasing fashion. We get another match in the epic saga of Test/Scott Steiner this time with Test going over- regaining Stacey and gaining Scott Steiner as "his property". The match was the same one they'd wrestled at Insurrection and Bad Blood. Slow, clunky, and without any chemistry. To be fair, Steiner looked better here than he did at Bad Blood. At that show, he hit several moves which looked like near botches. Here he keeps the execution crisp. Well, as "crisp" as anything Steiner could do in 2003, anyway. Randy Orton defeated Shawn Michaels with the help of Ric Flair and brass knuckles in a pretty good match. Orton looked good, but clearly had a long way to go. Trish/Lita beat Gail Kim/Molly in a meaningless women's tag match. This was Lita's return to wrestling and around Gail Kim's debut. Kane beat Shane McMahon in a Last Man Standing match that I, and the live audience, really enjoyed. A lot of people criticize this match for making Kane look "weak" against a non-wrestler, but look- Shane does everything short of running Kane down with a car to put him down and still loses. If the feud had ended here, people would love this match. Extending it beyond Shane's crazy dive and making an Ambulance Match at Survivor Series was a bad move. In a bubble though, its an excellent garbage match. Christian beat Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam to retain his IC title in a slow building, but ultimately well-worked triple threat match. This, along with Orton/Michaels was one of the matches you can tell had to be artificially lengthened due to Triple H's injuries. And it shows. These three keep it in first gear for a good 12 minutes and kick it into high gear for the last 10 or so. Still, not bad. There's an announcers vs. announcers match here I'm not even going to talk about. That angle and match was dumb as Hell. Anyway, Goldberg/Triple H title vs. career is the main event. Its solid, but unspectacular. Triple H is clearly falling apart and its a pretty short match for a main event. Goldberg goes over clean, no selling a sledgehammer shot and nailing the Spear and Jackhammer for the win and the title. The crowd reaction is tepid as Ross tries to put it over like the beginning of a new era. Goldberg's "era" would last all of three months, with the Smackdown-only Pay-Per-View in October, a successful title defense against Triple H in November, before losing it back to Triple H, in a triple threat match, also involving Kane, in December at Armageddon. So, what did I learn in my slog through 2003? The Goldberg experiment was ultimately kind of a failure. He didn't get over, connect well with the audience, or really have the ability to work a "WWE-style" match. Scott Steiner/Test should never be allowed to wrestle each other again. Even with Test being deceased and Steiner being semi-retired from the big leagues I still worry. The Smackdown crew brought their A-game for much of 2003 and delivered better quality matches on every dual-brand show than RAW. And, ultimately, Triple H's attempt (starting from 2002 with wins over a hot Kane and Rob Van Dam) to conquer a new challenger every couple months would have worked fine, had his opponents not been awful (Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash) or if he hadn't been chronically injured for most of 2003. Overall, yeah... 2003 is kind of a mess. WWE bringing in big-name WCW guys to work Triple H, guys in the undercard trying to escape, Austin and Bischoff eating up time, The Rock leaving, Kane's big push being stalled with a long-term feud with Shane McMahon, Lesnar over on Smackdown ripping guys to pieces, Undertaker doing his thing, new guys like Orton, Batista, Sean 'O Haire, and newly re-pushed guys like A-Train filling in the midcard. Some stuff worked. A lot more stuff didn't. But it was fun to watch. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Aug 11 2014, 11:42 AM Post #690 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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I watched Backlash 2003 a few years ago on "WWE 24/7" as was kinda' excited for the Goldberg/Rock match. Instead of the monster from WCW, he started hot, then had to sell for Rock's basic offense. Made me think: "oh, they're trying to make him work WWE style" and I could see why the crowd turned on him. Had Goldberg kept his style from WCW; even from WCW 2000; I think he might've worked better. He's a character of few words and short matches. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with that. Oh, and his WWE wrestling trunks looked like underwear from "Men's Polo", with their white outlines. Goldberg needs all-black gear, that's it. |
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