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| Infinite Devil Machine | Sep 5 2014, 01:25 PM Post #706 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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See, I'm okay with that. I don't consider a lot of that "degrading". It was just a part of the show at the time. WWE/F has always been an entertainment product and part of that entertainment is in variety. You had your action, your humor, your drama, and, on occasion, just like other real TV shows, your T&A. Nothing wrong with that. To be fair, the WWE would still probably do a lot of the T&A stuff if they weren't angling for higher profile sponsors and trying to maintain a TV-PG rating. Really, its a missed opportunity that kind of sucks; WWE finally has a group of incredibly attractive women on NXT and the main roster who can work and are sexy. If it wasn't for WWE's need for that elusive TV-PG rating, there's no reason those girls couldn't work their asses off in the ring in competitive matches and, on occasion, shake their asses in a bikini contest or pillow fight to blow off some steam or further an angle. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 5 2014, 02:08 PM Post #707 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I feel less embarrassed watching wrestling now, even in it's stagnant state of creativity, than I did 10+ years ago when I have to justify watching shows that featured tasteless, low-class T&A exhibitions every other segment. I'm not a fan of poor wrestling and wish they wouldn't hire attractive woman just for the sake of it, but at least I can go "yeah, they got away from that stuff, and it's just a piss break match." |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Sep 5 2014, 03:29 PM Post #708 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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See, 10 years ago I was 15 and didn't have ready access to internet porn and... ya know... real life women. So, I never felt embarrassed about letting some woman wrestlers get their T&A on for 10 minutes out of a two-hour show. Now that I'm a 25-year old grown adult, I wouldn't mind seeing it, but I'm not exactly begging for it. Frankly, those "Divas Day Off" and "NXT Summer Vacation" shoots don't do anything for me the way they used to. Maybe I'm just "over it"? |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 5 2014, 07:32 PM Post #709 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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More with 1991... Why in the flying fuck did they book a Survivor Series match with (almost) everyone getting DQ'ed? First, there's no need to over-fill each team with uppercard talent. Second, honestly, other than Piper, everyone involved could take a pinfall loss. Third... give it 15 more minutes and do away with the Substitution Special Match... that would be Duggan, Tito, Von Erich, and Slaughter vs. Berzerker, Skinner, Mustafa, and Hercules (with FOUR people subbed out: Steamboat (quit), Neidhart (kayfabe injury), Barbarian (who knows), and Big Bully Busick (quit?). I'm fine with the Rockers/Bushwhackers vs. Nasties/Beverly Brothers and the remains of Team Sid minus Sid vs. Team Roberts minus Roberts, but that finish to the opener and black hole of suck that followed just makes you wonder what were they on. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 7 2014, 09:42 AM Post #710 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Thumbing through old WON from the Fall of 1991, and figured this would be good for a laugh...
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 7 2014, 09:11 PM Post #711 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I don't know how much it would be, but it would take a shit load of money to let a cobra gnaw on my arm. Vince's over-the-top selling of it is almost comical, though (see also: Andre The Giant being raped... of his dignity by getting a haircut). |
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| Erick Von Erich | Sep 8 2014, 07:14 AM Post #712 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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I was digging deep in the "What's in Your Console" video game thread and ran across a pretty condemning post I wrote about a "Smackdown vs. RAW" game from about 2004. It wasn't just T&A with the "divas", it was objectifying them to an extreme degree. Beat up the guy they were with, then you get to take them away, forcefully! If there's an issue, you simply book a "bra on a pole" match with somebody! In the end, the woman will dance for you in the locker room, then tell the cameras to take a hike! It wasn't just "look at the hot broad". The roles they were giving to women all revolved around sex and/or being possessed by a man. Off the top of my head, I remember storylines with Stacy Keibler (Test and Steiner) then Lita (Kane) where they were treated just like they were a midcard title belt. Hot women in wrestling was nothing new. See: Sunshine vs. Missy Hyatt in a mudpit in 1985 or George Steele vs. Randy Savage for "the services" of Elizabeth in 1987. Both of those evolved out of existing storylines, whereas the PG-13 stuff was specifically written to objectify and/or "show-off" women. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 9 2014, 09:02 AM Post #713 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Rewatching Mania 30 for the first time since the days immediately following the original air date. Between the quality of the work from the WWE roster, production effort (camera work, video packages, live musical performances), and atmosphere... it's an amazing show. I still get that feeling deep inside watching that makes me glad to be a wrestling fan. When WWE WANTS to get it right, they hit it out of the friggin' park. |
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| SamoaRowe | Sep 9 2014, 09:14 AM Post #714 |
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dWb Superstar
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Yeah, WM30 is probably going to be one of those shows that ages really well and people look back on fondly. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 1 2014, 06:12 PM Post #715 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Took some time off from compiling WWF TV after sitting through nothing but Hercules, Col. Mustafa, and Big Bully Busick matches for what felt like forever. Honestly, I'm up to March '92, and it's not too much better: Tons of Virgil. Virgil vs. Repo Man. Virgil vs. The Mountie. Virgil vs. I.RS.... it's just too much Virgil for one man. Random video I found either on YouTube or DailyMotion, and I'm sure I've shared it before: Shameless shilling of WWF Super WrestleMania, with Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon "playing" as Sid and Hogan as a sick "tease" for WrestleMania VIII. For those of you familiar with the game, you know how clunky it is... and the match they allegedly played wasn't much worse than the real match. Think about that for a while. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 2 2014, 02:17 PM Post #716 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Throw too much Repo Man into the pile, too. 1993 is a popular target for hatred by smart fans, but 1992 fucking SUCKS. 1. The PPV's. Other than one or two matches, they were awful. 1992? Great Rumble, shit undercard. Mania? Great IC and WWF Title, everything else sucked. Slam? Fast forward to the double Main Event. Survivor Series? Ditto. 2. TV Product. We're still in the era of limited quality matches on free TV, and what we did get furthered angles that nobody cared about. Papa Shango's voodoo? Mountie's super-sized shock stick? Repo Man's tow rope and hook? 3. Prime Time hits the toilet. The lineup of matches is weaker than ever, and for a full month, all the "featured" matches were re-runs that were at times almost a year old. Again, we're in the era of limited high profile matches, so we get tons of Virgil and Repo Man. 4. Weak Roster. Bret Hart? Shawn Michaels? Ric Flair? Randy Savage? Doesn't matter when they're constantly working with worthless slugs. Sorry, Bret Hart teaming with the Bushwhackers doesn't do it for me. Or Randy Savage selling for Skinner. Or Ric Flair... uh... not working, period. Such an uninteresting year. Update: The Tag Division has been weak(ish) for years, but come on... LOD is buried in the midcard with the Beverly Brothers, while the Natural Disasters, who are completely unover as faces, get the top face spot against Money Inc? Throw in a lot of Bushwhackers, because God knows everyone loves the fucking Bushwhackers. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 2 2014, 06:59 PM Post #717 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Based on storylines developed in May-June, you'd think SummerSlam would look like this... Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels The Undertaker vs. The Berzerker Ultimate Warrior vs. Papa Shango Money Inc. vs. Natural Disasters LOD vs. Beverly Brothers Big Boss Man vs. Nailz British Bulldog vs. Repo Man For reasons that just don't make any sense (there was no injury), Ric Flair didn't actually work a match at SummerSlam, Bret/Bulldog took place due to location change, Berzerker disappeared, Warrior/Shango bombed, they tried to milk Bossman/Nailz through the rest of '92, the stuff between Bulldog and Repo Man was almost dropped immediately, and the Tag Division was apparently decided by randomly drawing names out of a hat to see who worked with it. You could argue SummerSlam '88 being thrown together because it was "just another MSG" show, but this SummerSlam was a mess in terms of where creative was. What we got instead... LOD vs. Money Inc., while decent, really didn't feel like it needed to happen. Nailz squashing Virgil to extend the Bossman feud Shawn and Martel shoe-horned into a ridiculous heel/heel angle. Crush squashing Repo Man. Natural Disasters retaining over Beverly Brothers in a heatless match. Undertaker paired with Kamala, because.... ? Berzerker worked a "dark" match with Tatanka, so it's not like he was hurt. Punished? I don't know. Warrior and Savage having a great match with a cheap finish. Rabid crowd, too. Bret and Bulldog is talked about enough, but it's still a great match. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Oct 3 2014, 08:44 AM Post #718 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Agreed. 1992 was the year that killed me on the WWF. After 4+ years of being a complete mark and watching "Superstars" and/or "Challenge" every weekend, I began to forget about them. I think my faithful "feature match" taping began to peter out around May. So WrestleMania 8 was my last hurrah...and even that kinda' sucked. My biggest complaint (still) is that they began to drop titles at unadvertised and un-aired house shows. Like Bret Hart dropping the IC belt to the Mountie, LOD to Money Inc., then Money Inc to the Natural Disasters. Culminating with Flair dropping the WWF title to Bret at an un-promoted taping. Just seemed like a rotten way to treat your viewers. It's cool to see a title change on "live" TV, but really sucks when you're told about it from Mean Gene in a 2 minute "Update" segment. At least the Flair/Hart match was shown on Prime Time... eventually, after everybody had been told about it. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 3 2014, 09:12 AM Post #719 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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1993 had the same problem, with Shawn regaining the IC Title from Jannetty and the 3 switches between Money Inc. and the Steiners. I understand it's to try and raise eyebrows and drive ticket sales for untelevised shows, but at least have a camera handy to show something on TV... hell, at least one of the Steiners/Money Inc. matches was at a TV taping! How did that not only not make it to broadcast, but didn't even get used on a coliseum video like the Flair/Bret and Disasters/Money Inc. changes in '92? EVEN WCW HAD CAMERAS ROLLING for the unexpected switched. |
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| Mad Dog | Oct 3 2014, 04:25 PM Post #720 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Virgil was that guy they loved tossing in there all of the time. I actually thought 1993 was really fun through about the first 6 months. You had Doink, Perfect, Tatanka, Bam Bam and a couple of other guys putting on some good matches weekly. |
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