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| Mad Dog | Oct 5 2014, 06:39 PM Post #736 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I liked the potential of the Tatanka/Bam Bam angle but they screwed it up with the women stuff. Sherri/Luna could have stood on it's own. They did some good heated stuff with them on Raw. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 5 2014, 06:45 PM Post #737 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Sherri/Luna had good intensity and had tons of promise for a "cat fight" showdown. Too bad Luna broke her arm sometime in the middle of it and Sherri gave notice. Weird tidbit: the WON notes she wanted to get into beauty school and work indy dates on weekends. In one of those rare breaking kayfabe moments, WWF Magazine actually listed this in a quick blurb (along with Dibiase leaving after SummerSlam, for kayfabe reasons). |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 5 2014, 06:58 PM Post #738 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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More WON fun tied in to where I'm at in my fishing through WWF TV "fun": After at least a year of "supposed to start soon" rumors, we finally got the debut of "The Comet Kid", who had his name changed a week later to Max Moon. WWE.com actually did a decent article not too long ago about it with Konnan (the original choice for the role), talking about how much money went into it and the over-the-top design of the character's robotic "shell". The relationship with Konnan fell apart, so what we got was Paul Diamond under the mask, shooting off confetti out of his arm canons, and pretending to hop up the ring steps with puffs of smoke coming out of a "jet pack." |
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| Mad Dog | Oct 5 2014, 07:16 PM Post #739 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I believe you got the same WON torrent that I did. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 5 2014, 07:25 PM Post #740 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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The more things change, the more they stay the same...
The WWE Hall of Fame a sham?! NO WAY! One more, from the same issue (5-26-94)...
Jokes on him! They actually held Mania in a shitty mall that was even worse than Mania 4 and 5! |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Oct 5 2014, 10:29 PM Post #741 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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A couple of facts about Bret Hart's WWF Title Run: - According to Timeline 1992- As Told By Bret Hart, The Bulldog didn't get let go in 1992. Shortly after finding out he was going to headline SummerSlam 1992 in England against Bret Hart, The Bulldog went down with a supposed "injury". In reality, he went home to party with a recently released Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart. Neidhart himself had been teaming with Owen Hart, as part of The New Foundation, and was let go at the time for missing a show and then showing up to the next show completely blitzed on a litany of illegal drugs. Neidhart was only to sit out that night and be reprimanded, until he threw a TV monitor at Chief Jay Strongbow who was agenting at the time. He was fired on the spot. - Bret Hart spent two months planning the Bulldog match, in his own words "dreaming up the perfect match" every time he hit the tanning bed. Bulldog, meanwhile, was off doing a ton of cocaine with Neidhart. - When SummerSlam 1992 rolled around, Bret/Bulldog was already planned out spot for spot and move for move in Bret's head. Unfortunately, Bulldog had been up for two days straight on a cocaine binge. He'd forget every spot and gas out two minutes into the match. - Bret dropped the title to Bulldog, and at the time, actually thought the writing was on the wall for his push. Bret had agreed to drop the title to Bulldog as the show was held in England. One of the original plans was to hold the show in Washington D.C. with Shawn Michaels beating Bret for the title and Savage/Ric Flair working a WrestleMania 8 rematch in the main event. - In an interesting note; prior to SummerSlam and the announcement of where the show was to be held, Bret negotiated Vince into allowing him and Shawn Michaels to work a heatless Intercontinental Title ladder match on a marathon TV taping. This was a concession to Bret, who was to drop the belt soon after. - After SummerSlam 1992, Bret was told to arrive in the arena for the TV taping before anyone else. Funny enough, Bret thought he was going to be fired. According to Bret, Vince and his most trusted staff had drafted a list of five names of guys who they felt could be the next WWF Champion. Bret met with Vince and was told, the day of the show he was meant to win the belt, that he was getting it. At the time, Vince felt that Flair wasn't working out for the WWF and that Bret was the most stable, best choice for a post-steroid abuse lawsuit champion. So, hope that clears a few things up. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 6 2014, 06:57 AM Post #742 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Bret/Bulldog is my favorite story of one man completely carrying a match of that magnitude. Speaking of all time fuck ups like Marty Jannetty, how about Jim Neidhart? Bret Hart must've been the greatest babysitter in the world to keep him employed through the late 80's and into the 90's. Neidhart with Bret and Neidhart on his own was like night and day. Working tags with Bret gave me the impression he was a fairly decent worker. On his own, or even with Owen for that brief period as the "New" Foundation, it was like "umm... is he even trying?". |
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| Erick Von Erich | Oct 6 2014, 07:45 AM Post #743 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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The semi-kayfabe rumor circulating amongst the Apter mags at the time was that the WWF kept firing or demoting Neidhart because "they felt he was mentally unstable". At least that's what was being said in late 1990 (the Rockers phantom title switch) and early 1992 (when they pulled the plug on the New Foundation, shortly after the Royal Rumble). Surprising to think that Neidhart kept coming back to the WWF, all the way up to late 1997. Then following Bret to WCW in 1998. The guy made a career out of being Bret's sidekick/henchman. Almost as bad as the Hogan/Knobbs connection. That "1992 list of 5 guys for WWF Champion" rumor is always good for fan speculation. I've heard different specifics for the list, but Tito Santana is usually included. I've only heard it coming from Bret, too, so that makes you question the validity of the whole thing. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Oct 6 2014, 09:47 AM Post #744 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Looking into the "potential 1992 World Champs" idea, I ran across this strange scenario that I had never heard of-- from November 1991. Some stuff from dirt sheets and some stuff from modern "shoot interviews". -Hogan suffered a "stinger" in his match at Survivor Series 1991. No blown spot or anything, just something that happened. Had it been serious, Hogan would not have been able to wrestle at "This Tuesday in Texas". -Supposedly, Roddy Piper was the back-up if Hogan couldn't go. His intermission interview at Survivor Series even talks about Hogan/Taker. Piper would've won the belt from Taker at "Tuesday". -Here where it gets weird: if Piper had won the belt at "Tuesday", it would've completely changed the '92 Rumble-- Piper would've lost the belt at the Rumble to Ric Flair. Hulk Hogan was then supposed to win the Rumble and go on to WrestleMania VIII to challenge Flair (and presumably win). All the "real" stuff with SID could've fit into this scenario. -Would've been a great pay-off for the Piper/Flair program that had been running. Sure, Hogan/Flair was the bigger and inevitable issue, but Piper/Flair had good intensity. -Back to reality: Piper winning the IC belt from the Mountie was sort of his consolation prize for not winning the WWF title. As much as I loved that IC win for Piper, it DID come from out-of-nowhere, so the consolation concept kinda' makes sense. -It seems outlandish, but the WWF did a pretty good job of changing their programs on-the-fly in the end of 1991. Macho Man vs. Jake Roberts and Macho Man vs. Flair being good examples. So this Piper re-booking wouldn't have seemed that crazy. But, dang, I would've dug this whole scenario with a big spoon. -In reality, I'd put any "Piper was supposed to be WWF Champ" in the fantasy booking realm. Same place where stuff like: "Paul Orndorff was supposed to main event WM3 if Andre couldn't go" (or even Kamala, depending on where you read it). |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 6 2014, 12:23 PM Post #745 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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As much as I like Tito as a worker, by 1992, he had no shot in hell of getting over as a World Champion. He was on the JTTS Tour since 1989 and floundering with an awful/lame gimmick. I'm not doubting McMahon told him stuff to keep him happy, but that couldn't have been a serious option. |
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| Mad Dog | Oct 6 2014, 01:38 PM Post #746 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I consider the Tito story to be BS. It just doesn't make sense with the trajectory of his career. I think they considered him in the sense that his name was brought up and immediately dismissed. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Oct 6 2014, 04:15 PM Post #747 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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If I had to guess the top five potential guys for the strap in 1992, I'd probably have to go with; 1. Hulk Hogan - The obvious choice, but the last guy Vince wanted as his post steroid abuse trial champion. 2. The Undertaker - A bit of an outside shot. 'Taker was unproven, as he was never asked to draw with the belt in his first reign and lost it so shortly after that a lot of people could have missed it in the first place. 3. Lex Luger - Steroids. Nash, in another Timeline Of The WWF shoot interview, said that Luger was clean by the time he came in during 1994. Luger could have been clean in 1992. Despite not being allowed to be an active worker until 1993, Vince knew Luger would eventually become an active wrestler and could have possibly set up Luger as having title aspirations during his hype as "Narccisus" and eventually transitioned the title onto him when he debuted. But, that would have required additional time with a champion he was unhappy with. 4. Shawn Michaels - A good, young, healthy, and (steroid) clean champion. Probably not considered a "top draw" yet. 5. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper- Another outside shot. It could have happened, but Piper seemed to be one of those guys who didn't need a title. Also, he seemed so protected in his WWF run that it seems odd to have Piper job the title cleanly to someone. Honorable Mentions: - The British Bulldog - We've been over Davey's cocaine use. Probably not the best idea. - The Ultimate Warrior - Warrior wasn't as over he had been. Also, unreliable and unprofessional. Oh, and probably not clean. - Ted Dibiase - Downgraded to a tag-team guy. - The Big Bossman - Good, but a lifetime midcard guy. - Mr. Perfect - In all honesty, probably a pretty solid choice. But, his babyface act wasn't over enough to make a champion out of. - Earthquake - WWF could have easily molded 'Quake into a proper monster heel champion, if they'd pulled the trigger on him a year before. In 1992, he was a second-gear tag-team guy. - Tatanka - They built Tatanka up as being undefeated, but never had him chase the world title. Missed opportunity. Also, a fairly limited worker. - Owen Hart - They could have positioned Owen the same way they did Bret as a former tag-team guy with a big push. But, it was too early and Owen was too untested. - Crush - Supposedly the WWF's attempt at creating a "new' Hulk Hogan. It didn't work. Crush was good, but not "WWF Title" good. - Razor Ramon - A bit too early in his run. - Bob Backlund - Too old and completely irrelevant. Its bad enough that he got the run in 1994. - Yokozuna - He'd eventually get the run. But, transitioning from an old-school NWA-style heel champion to a monster heel champion would have been odd without turning someone face in the process. WWF didn't do heel vs. heel. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 6 2014, 04:28 PM Post #748 |
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With Flair's injury, Warrior being Warrior, and the bizarre "we want to start deemphasizing Randy Savage" scenarios, that leaves a whole lot of unproven talent at the top. Undertaker was a freak show attraction that didn't need the belt, so that leaves guys like Bret and maybe even the freshly debuted Razor Ramon as choices. Yokozuna had the rocket push from day one, but that takes time, and he hadn't even debuted at TV at the time of Bret's title win. Shawn wasn't close to ready, and Perfect was a wildcard considering his injuries. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Oct 6 2014, 05:49 PM Post #749 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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We should note that (allegedly) the time frame for this "5 potential champs" thing was right around the time of SummerSlam '92. Guys who (probably) would've been "out": -Hogan had been off TV since WrestleMania -Luger had a motorcycle accident in the summer of 1992. -Piper had the one, non-wrestling, appearance at SummerSlam. Had been off TV since WM8, as well -Yokozuna didn't debut on TV until well into October. My guesses: -Bret Hart -Tito Santana -Crush -Jim Duggan -Shawn Michaels I'd base it off of tenure and company loyalty (what? No Steve Lombardi?!). Crush is the wildcard, since he hadn't been around that long and had been sent back to Portland for a bit. Maybe Warrior, instead. Coming out of SummerSlam, it seemed once Macho dropped the title back to Flair that Warrior would be the new #1 challenger. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Oct 6 2014, 05:53 PM Post #750 |
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I might sound a bit crazy, but I could've bought Crush as a foil to Yokozuna in 1993 when Hogan decided he wanted out of WWE. He had a good look (tall and muscular), and when motivated, wasn't a poor worker. I'd dare call him a good worker during his babyface run. For reasons unknown, he was constantly buried as a babyface. He never really got one up on Doink (a program that lasted 6 MONTHS), he lost every big singles match he had through screwy circumstances, and then they had Yoko crush him (pun intended) to write him off TV for three months. Based on the time period, I would suspect the 5 names (if this is, indeed, an accurate thing) being Bret, Shawn, Razor (he was fresh and introduced into a high profile role), Undertaker, and... I don't know, this is where it seems like a stretch to mention anyone else. Savage was being sent down the card already, and Warrior injured Flair and was already flaking out. The next tier of guys iicludes Bulldog (who was IC Champ only because the PPV was in England) and Tatanka (who with the right push could've been a decent option). I still don't see Tito Santana cracking the list. |
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