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Topic Started: Oct 25 2011, 05:12 PM (68,335 Views)
Erick Von Erich
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Infinite Devil Machine,Oct 31 2014
01:41 AM
Just a thought, according to Kevin Sullivan's shoot interview, The Dungeon of Doom in WCW was totally meant to be a disposable group of goofs from, basically, the outset. Sullivan, in his own words, felt he needed to win Hogan's trust and also familiarize Hogan with WCW's audience for a while before Sullivan would try to dig into something "meatier" with Hulk. Sullivan claimed it was to help ween Hogan off of the "WWF mindset" and make him comfortable in WCW by having him work and beat guys who posed no threat to his position. The DOD was never meant to be good they were built, almost expressly to be an assembly line goon squad for Hogan to beat for a while before moving on.

Interesting. I'd tend to believe Sullivan's points, then. Almost like he said: "okay, I'll play your silly games. Once it's over, then we'll do things MY way".
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Good thing Hogan agreed to the heel turn. The DoD period killed off whatever popularity Hogan had left. I guess fans were tired of "Hogan wins, LOL", regardless if it's against scrubs like Not Earthquake and Not Brutus Beefcake.
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The Dungeon of Doom was well constructed on Sullivan's part. Kamala and Earthquake had instant credibility and you could job them in big situations without really hurting either.
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The Savage/Steamboat angle is rare great tv for the WWF.
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Mad Dog,Nov 1 2014
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The Dungeon of Doom was well constructed on Sullivan's part. Kamala and Earthquake had instant credibility and you could job them in big situations without really hurting either.

They spent pretty much all of John Tenta's run as Avalanche doing just that: putting over Hogan, Sting and Savage in either singles or tags. Kamala I will give some credit: he was fresh to WCW, and was used to put people over, and quietly left shortly after.
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I don't think Kamala had been seen in WCW since his really brief run in 1985.
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Funny mark story: when Kamala debuted in WCW, my first instinct was questioning why he was a bad guy, after last being seen a couple of years earlier in WWF as a good guy. I guess I was the one person WWF marketed BABYFACE KAMALA to.
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Make that two.

It seemed like there was no way they cold turn the Kamala character face, but it (sorta') worked. Shades of what had been done earlier to George Steele, the Missing Link and the Sheepherders. As heels, they came off as such wild and vicious guys. You'd think: "there's no way they could ever make him a good guy". Yet all were turned into "lovable" babyfaces.
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Watched the 11/29/86 Saturday Night's Main Event. Nothing ground breaking in terms of ringwork. It was a nice change of pace from the television though. Hogan beat Hercules and Savage fought Roberts in a rare heel vs. heel match. A couple of surprises on the card too as the Killer Bees beat the Hart Foundation and Koko B. Ware beat Nikolai Volkoff. The Dick Slater push also came to a crashing halt here as Muraco destroyed him.
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Speaking of Kamala, they've been pushing him insanely hard as 1986 comes to a close. He's hitting the splash off the top rope and injuring all of the jobbers he faces for the last several weeks. There's also been some fucking great backstage promos with the Wizard, Kimchee and Kamala. Good stuff.
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Is there anyone more useless than Dino Bravo?
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Closing out 1986 on Superstars and Wrestling Challenge. The big matches for Wrestlemania III are starting to get build up. Race/JYD started this week, Steamboat/Savage has been good stuff and they're slowly moving towards Hogan/Andre. The Jake Roberts face turn is starting as well as he's started challenging Savage for the I.C. belt.

It kind of amazes me that Kamala wasn't on Wrestlemania considering the way they've been pushing him on tv though. He's been injuring jobbers for weeks at this point.

I still don't enjoy WWE TV as much as other 80s promotions but I'm in a good flow with it right now. I mix in the Saturday Night Main Events and what will be the PPVs. You really start appreciating those events a lot more when you're watching endless squash matches.
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Mad Dog,Nov 15 2014
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You really start appreciating those events a lot more when you're watching endless squash matches.

True 'dat.

How did JYD/Race start? I had always thought/figured it began with their seemingly random match-up on the January 1987 SNME.


About 15 years ago, there used to be a pretty strong rumor that Kamala was the back-up plan for WrestleMania III if Andre couldn't go. Paul Orndorff is the other name that gets mentioned for this, but I tend to believe the Kamala rumor more, due to the way he was played up on TV. He had some house shows against Hogan, usually ending in a DQ or other screwy finish. Plus, Orndorff had kinda' had his final chance on the January '87 SNME and main evented their last big deal: The Big Event.

Looking at it now, there's no way WM3 would've been the huge deal it turned out to be, were it not for Hogan/Andre. Hogan vs. Kamala would've fit their usual formula, but by having ANDRE in the main event, it knocked it out-of-the-park.
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One thing I've always been cirous about... how much persuasion did Vince have to do with Andre? The myth has been his body was breaking down and this was his last hurrah, but then he worked a fairly regular house show schedule for 1988-1989, and then it was leading up to Mania VI where he seemed to finally stop.
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Like I seem to do every year, I go back and watch some old Survivor Series PPV's. I went back and read an old recap I did for 1987, and... ugh. I'm glad I adopted the less is more technique. I'm probably going to do what I did for WrestleMania's and do a "revisit" of them, and keep them all under one topic in the Reviews folder. Basically any significantly different ratings (there's a few) and random nonsense.
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