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| Mad Dog | Nov 15 2014, 08:27 PM Post #811 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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JYD did a promo on guys he was looking to take out in 1987 and then starting doing insert promos during Race matches saying he would never bow down to him. |
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| Mad Dog | Nov 16 2014, 05:18 AM Post #812 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Andre really fell apart quick too. Even during the Machines he could still move. He just rapidly deteriorates. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Nov 26 2014, 03:06 PM Post #813 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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For no real reason, other than "always wondered about it and I used to dig the Patriot", I'm watching In Your House: Ground Zero from September 1997. -Patriot's quick WWF run in 1997 was truly weird. He was brought in a a Big Deal, but flamed out really quick. -The opener is an "Indecent Proposal Match" between Brian Pillman and Goldust for the "services" of Marlena. Vince McMahon says how this is "unprecedented in history" and the only time he can remember managerial services being up-for-grabs. Obviously, a huge retcon that leaves out 1986-1987 and the George Steele/Liz/Macho Man stuff. -If he lost, Pillman would "leave the WWF forever". So it's very eerie when the commentators say: "this could be the last we ever see of Pillman". -"I Can't Believe I'm Seeing This on PPV" Match: Brian Christopher vs. Scott Putski. Ends when Putski falls outside the ring and dislocates his kneecap, causing a count-out. Looks legitimate. To try to build some heat, Christopher does his silly laugh and talks some very generic smack. I think Putski/Christopher was an angle, at the time, with daddies Ivan Putski and Jerry Lawler getting involved. -A screen graphic explains the rules of Fatal Three-Way between Crush, Faarooq and Savio Vega. In some very weird booking, Savio wins with a spinning kick on Crush. I say "weird", because the crowd really seemed to like Crush. -Funny how some elements of Crush and the DOA were re-used for "BikerTaker" and then for the Aces & Eights. I guess a biker gimmick is timeless. Probably why people have better-than-they-should "memories" of World Class's Eli the Eliminator, circa 1986. |
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| Mad Dog | Nov 26 2014, 07:28 PM Post #814 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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The Patriot suffered a career ending injury. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Nov 26 2014, 10:23 PM Post #815 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Patriot/Bret Hart was a shockingly solid match for what it was. Really, its probably all on Bret's ability to carry somebody who's very much his lesser in the ring. Bret/Patriot in 1997 would be the equivalent of WWE actually running with their aborted attempt at doing Snitsky/Cena in 2006. Or doing Tensai/Cena on a PPV main event for the title recently. Somebody who's built up quickly, is frankly the lesser talent, and who's not going to outshine the champion or really run the risk of getting more over than them. A solid filler challenger. The sad thing is, WWF had Vader in 1997 and Vader/Hart could have been a solid title match. Vader's a big, rugged, mountain man from Colorado. Show him chopping wood, starting bonfires, and beating up other big mountain men in training montages at some snowy cabin. Set him up as being proud of his country. Have him claim that only in America could a big lug like him make money as a wrestler and not be arrested for what he gets to do in the ring. It could be patriotic without the mask and the American flag motif. The Patriot was a cheesy stiff that nobody really bought. Vader was fucking legit. Run with that. Just saying. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Dec 6 2014, 02:39 AM Post #816 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Yes Patriot was not on Bret's level. But he's not as bad as you made him sound. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 25 2015, 08:26 PM Post #817 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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After a brief hiatus, I'm back to chronologically burning DVD's of WWF TV, and I'm up to the Spring, 1996. 1995 sucked, but at least there was depth. The roster at this point couldn't have been much more than 25 people, not including guys on the way out (Razor/Diesel), infrequently used for reasons unknown (Yokozuna/Tekno Team 2000), or hiatus/vacation (Bret Hart). Once you get past the first tier of names, then you have goofs like Bob Holly, Aldo Montoya, Fatu (taken off TV at the end of May), Barry Horowitz, WHO, Justin Bradshaw, and then gimmicks created to have more guys to job and give the illusion of quality matches, like the Goon, Salvatore Sincere, Freddie Joe Floyd, TL Hopper, The PUG, and a few others I'm sure I forgot. Yes, the answer to compete with WCW was hire some of Jim Cornette's left-over's from SMW, give them dumb gimmicks, and job them out so they could act like every match was a Superstar v. Superstar caliber match. Something I never noticed from the time period... the Bushwhackers "updated" gimmick... they had new goofy music, carried boomerangs with them, and even had a guy in a Kangaroo costume accompany them to the ring a handful of times (Steve Lombardi, for those wondering). |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Feb 26 2015, 12:52 AM Post #818 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Skip and Rad Radford are 2 more. |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Feb 26 2015, 12:55 AM Post #819 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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Skip, Avatar and Rad Radford are 3 more. Also, who can forget Dr. Isaac Yankem |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 26 2015, 01:30 AM Post #820 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Turn-over of dumb gimmicks was so rapid at this point... Al Snow went from Avatar for a TV taping or two, to the mysterious masked ninja Shinobi for a TV taping or two, and then Leif Cassidy, as a revamped New Rockers, which appeared to be "goofy cornball antics turned up a few notches" and weaker ring work. I really thought Marty Jannetty was a wasted talent (as well as being wasted talent... High Five?), but his in-ring work was SHIT during that heel run in 1996. Skip went from a dumb fitness guru gimmick to a dumb "twin" tag team with ZIP (originally named Flip, somehow even worse) and then turned face despite doing nothing to suggest it, other than being dumped by Sunny. Isaac Yankem's character finished up putting over Warrior the TV taping after WrestleMania, but don't fret, he's growing his hair out and learning Kevin Nash's moveset (6 moves, 2 involving his hair) for a Fall return. I have WAY too much useless wrestling garbage. Edit: I know I mentioned them as infrequently used, but Tekno Team 2000 was brought back for a few tapings following WrestleMania. I don't recall them being on TV since July/August of '95, and then here they are again, basically doing a few jobs to established teams, and then disappearing again. I don't recall mentioning them in my "sitting through garbage 1995" comments, and am too lazy to check, but it's a lame "futuristic" gimmick featuring Erik Watts and some other guy (Chad Fortune?) and let's just say they sucked. It didn't matter that the gimmick was lame and nobody gave a shit for them, but their work was just drizzling diarrhea. They were less bad in the brief 1996 comeback, but still, when THE GODWINNS are outworking you, it's time to let it go. Edit #2: Oh yeah, since my last update on my saga, we have a new Godwinn, Phineas I (PIG, to go along with HOG), and the Godwinns are managed by Hillbilly Jim. I liked the manager more than the team, both now and as a youngster. This was the babyface team positioned for the #1 spot for the Spring-Summer. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Feb 26 2015, 08:56 AM Post #821 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Wow... never knew that happened. Sounds like they were trying to emulate the Fabulous Kangaroos tag team of the 60's and 70's. What's funny is that the Bushwhackers were always billed as being from New Zealand. Pretty sure that kangaroos are indigenous to Australia and do not "live" on the islands of New Zealand. That'd be like the Samoans having a kangaroo with them. Could you add the "Blu Brothers/Grimm Twins" to the 1995-1996 Parade of Suck? I kinda' consider them the heel equivalents of Tekno Team 2000. I think they also brought back Barry Horowitz and made him part of the Pug/Freddie Joe Floyd/Goon division. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 26 2015, 11:12 AM Post #822 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I forgot about the repackaging of the Brothers Blu. I found it a bit weird how quickly they were brought back, considering when they left in 1995, they went out on a high note: threatening to beat the piss out of Shawn Michaels. And yes, indeed, Horowitz hung around through the remainder of '96. I don't think he had a pinfall win the entire year. He did get a cheap reverse decision win that was part of the "Harvey Wippleman is studying and transitioning into a referee" angle. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 26 2015, 11:21 AM Post #823 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Add Jailbird Crush to the list of returning/repackaged Superstars. Interesting in that in his introduction back into the product, it's acknowledged that he was arrested for possession of illegal firearms and a controlled substance (cough:steroids:cough). I was thumbing through issues of the WON from the time and I guess the whole thing, including having Clarence Mason (the lawyer character that originally debuted earlier in the year), was that WWE wanted to make it seem like they only hires back "low class" people like Crush when lawyer's force them to. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 26 2015, 11:19 PM Post #824 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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September 1996 marks the death of syndication for WWE, as Superstars is moved to the USA Network after losing television in all the major markets. I don't want to act like I remember anything vividly, but after losing Wrestling Challenge, Superstars moving, and turning Mania into some other garbage show (Live Wire?), it felt like too much was changing. Yes, I actively watched Mania as much as Raw, because... I don't know, maybe I liked Todd Pettengill or something. I was a kid. On the plus side, Superstars was featuring more "competitive" matches, although when it's almost always stuff like Aldo Montoya vs. TL Hopper, or Savio Vega vs. Justin Bradshaw, it doesn't quite hold much long-term interest. Undertaker makes a rare Superstars appearance squashing Who (Seriously, WHO. I don't know how this stuff makes it to TV), and Shawn shows up once in a quickie against Bradshaw, but that's pretty much it for top talent showing up. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Feb 28 2015, 03:09 AM Post #825 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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We have a few new arrivals as the Fall "season" begins: The Stalker and The Sultan. The Sultan is a typical, generic "middle eastern" gimmick... played by the man formerly known as FATU. Except fatter. The Stalker was meant to be a bit more than what the finished product ended up being, but in short, it's Barry Windham, out of shape, lumbering around the ring with all of the grace of a 50-year old man with broken down knees. Yes, I'm aware he wasn't actually 50 at the time. It was around this time where the seeds of "WWE development" were officially planted. WWE signed Olympic hopeful Powerlifter Mark Henry to a lucrative 10-year, 250k per year contract, and bodybuilder Achim Albrecht, possibly better known as Brakus, or even more as "who?". Also signed around this time, with very little experience, was some guy named Dwayne Johnson, son of Rocky Johnson and grandson of Peter Maivia. All three were given training at the hands of Tom Prichard, among others, and were all expected to debut in the ring by years end. Mark Henry was constantly set back by injuries (and an attitude of not wanting to learn), and Brakus never picked up enough to be put on WWF TV, but that Dwayne Johnson... he became a smiling goofball babyface. |
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