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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 4 2015, 04:05 PM Post #841 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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I think that angle was one of few moments you could point at Vince and say "he gets it". It was a timely, pop-culture riff. Remember; this was 1996. Business was down, houses were down, and WCW was killing the WWF. Any kind of ratings and controversy was a good thing. Fake Razor and Diesel weren't doing it. I do agree though. This angle would have been huge in 1998. The only problem with that was there was so much crazy shit happening in '98, I wonder how much an angle like this would have stood out. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Mar 4 2015, 04:12 PM Post #842 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I want to say WWE did do a minor home invasion angle in the Spring-Summer of '98, where Undertaker broke into Paul Bearer's house and beat the shit out of him... I just don't know why. Not as big as flashing a gun, of course. I think the Fall of 97 or Winter 97-98 would've been timely. They were pushing the risqué stuff, but it wasn't a car-wreck like in 1999 where it got way too bloated with off the wall stuff. DX was causing havoc, Goldust was being... weird. Austin, during his time away from the ring recovering from the neck injury, could've done the same angle on Owen. Back to the Fake Razor/Diesel... these guys are on every fucking show. Monday Night Raw, Superstars, and even on a gritty show like Shotgun. "Smart" fans seem to forget we aren't supposed to believe this is Nash and Hall. It's quite clearly stated by EVERYONE it isn't them and it's "Razor Ramon" and "Diesel", not those other guys who played the roles before. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 4 2015, 09:31 PM Post #843 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Yeah, I'm sure they weren't supposed to actually be Razor and Diesel. But I think the idea was to fool dumber mark fans. That being said, I think the idea had some potential. Fake Razor and Diesel could have been a great jobber team. Just imagine them teaming with The Huckster and The Nacho Man in a two minute squash against four undercard WWF guys. It'd be a way of burying the WCW. Fake Diesel/Fake Razor/The Huckster/The Nacho Man job to the combined might of The Smoking Gunns, Aldo Montoya and Bob "Sparky Plug" Holly in an elimination match in four minutes in a clean sweep. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Mar 4 2015, 10:09 PM Post #844 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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If you channel surf, I can see the confusion. In most matches, there's at least one remark thrown in that tells the viewer "this isn't Nash and Hall" without actually saying it, but with the exception of one or two segments that I've actually sat through, it wasn't hammered home until the densest of marks figured it out. I don't mean to just be negative with all this stuff, but holy crap, there's still stuff I forgot... The debut of Faarooq Asad, a roman gladiator who debuted and injured Ahmed Johnson. Faarooq was actually referenced as Ron Simmons in his first appearance. The gimmick really went nowhere, and then he was suddenly repackaged as the leader of a group called the Nation of Domination, lead to the ring by white boy rappers PG-13 (unnamed at the time), as well as an entourage of nameless faces, one of which ended up being D'Lo Brown. Crush would join soon, through common association with Clarence Mason as manager of both men. The leader of the NOD was easily 800 times better than whatever the fuck "Roman Gladiator, Faarooq Asad" was supposed to be. Yokozuna made a handful of appearances, even fatter than ever, and during the SummerSlam '96 Free For All, jobbed quickly to Steve Austin because he was so fat, he fell off the ropes and ripped the top rope out of the buckle. Yes, this was the best they had for the King of the Ring winner and future face of the WWF. The Jake Roberts/Jerry Lawler angle is well known for being tasteless, but I won't lie... as a mark, I laughed at every single drunk joke Lawler made. Having Roberts lose to him at SummerSlam was such a geek move, but he did get the final laugh, with clean victories on an episode of Raw, and later on opposite teams at the Survivor Series. In one of the few bright spots, Bret Hart's big return the night after Buried Alive, announcing his decision to stay with the WWF. Not much else to say there. His consistently solid work was missed in a period where there was serious depth issues at the top of the card, and now Steve Austin finally has something to do. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 4 2015, 10:46 PM Post #845 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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So, I was on Youtube last night, watching some random old wrestling matches. I stumbled across one really randomly good tag-team match from the WCW vaults. It was Brian Pillman and Tom Zenk vs. Cactus Jack and Abdullah The Butcher. Its your fairly typical old-school Southern tag-team match. Babyfaces get to shine, Jack and Abby bump around a bit, they take over, heat, comeback, and finish. The really notable thing is, Pillman, even at this point in his career, is working like a veteran. He botches some sort of top-rope crossbody, falls off the ropes, basically right in front of Cactus, and starts selling his knee. Like a real pro. They don't repeat the spot, the audience doesn't boo or chant "you fucked up!", and Jim Ross covers it on commentary saying "Pillman's ankle obviously went out on him, or buckled there". They take over on Pillman and Zenk, get heat, and then Zenk, I swear to God, makes the proto-Usos comeback. He gets the hot tag, and just like in every Uso's match ever, superkicks the shit out of Abby. He scores two superkicks that are super nice and crisp. He locks in a sleeperhold and the heels get the cheap win, using some kind of shrunken head on a stick to knock out Zenk behind the ref's back. Its a pretty excellent little match. Also, this Youtube account has Owen Hart's match with WCW and a 10-minute draw between Triple H and Terry Taylor in WCW. Oh, and a really solid match between The Widowmaker (Barry Whendam) and The Rooster from a WWF show. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Mar 4 2015, 10:56 PM Post #846 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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It's little touches like that, a blown spot that they run with, that makes all the difference between a fun product and a sterile product. If there's anything I hate most in wrestling is when a spot is blown and someone decides to repeat the spot instead of making the best out of a bad situation. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Mar 5 2015, 09:11 AM Post #847 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Watching some old 80's-era WWF stuff and I've noticed, pretty frequently, that when someone screws up a drop-kick, you'll hear a commentator say something like: "he didn't get all of that". Gorilla did it a lot, but I've also heard Bob Caudle, Gordon Solie, Bill Mercer and even Vince McMahon (in the 70's, only) make similar calls. Seems to be (somewhat) standard work for a good PBP guy. Just shows that they're paying attention and not reading off a script. Oh...and from the Stupid Things I Think About Folder: wouldn't it have been natural for Larry Zbyszko to team-up with Checkmate at some point? Oh (part 2), wouldn't it also have been possible for Larry Zbyszko to disappear from TV for 90 days if someone tricked him into saying his name backwards? Hey-oh! |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 9 2015, 04:22 AM Post #848 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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So, I was watching some more random ass wrestling on the YouTube the other day. I came across this drizzling shits match between Steve Austin and Barry Wendham. The whole thing was essentially a back drop for an interview that hyped the, soon to be aborted, Austin/British Bulldog feud. The cool thing about it, and one thing I haven't seen before, was the finish. Whendam gets Austin on the top-rope for the Superplex, Austin claws the eyes, jumps off, and gets hit with a punch to the gut. Wendham tries to grab a sleeperhold, but Austin scores the Stunner, RKO/Diamond Cutter-style "from out of nowhere" and wins it. I'm not super familiar with Austin, pre-main event run. Was The Stunner usually utilized as a surprise move? |
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| torturedsoulv1 | Mar 9 2015, 11:17 PM Post #849 |
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true maharajah Jinder Mahal
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As I was reading this, I was thinking that you meant in WCW around 1992, as Austin was feuding with Windham then. Was wondering why it sucked, since both Austin and Windham were great workers then. Bulldog was in WCW then also I think But now I realize you mean WWF. Windham was shot by then from his injuries |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 10 2015, 12:11 AM Post #850 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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Yeah, but Austin and The Bulldog never really worked each other in WCW. That being said, a Hollywood Blondes vs. British Bulldog and Sting match would have made a great Clash of The Champions main event. But yeah, right. It was WWF. Whendam's late-90's WWF work was pretty much the shits. Those knees were shot. I still maintain, however, that Whendam actually looked pretty good when he came back on the scene in WCW in 1999 as Curt Hennig's tag-team partner. Maybe it was because they were working old-school, Southern-style tag-team matches against The Flairs and being booked against great workers like Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko, but Big Barry looked like he had a bit of a spark left in him. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Mar 10 2015, 07:20 AM Post #851 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Windham always seemed to have more pep in him when he was working JCP/NWA/WCW. It just suited him more, or maybe he just felt more comfortable there. Of his 3 WWF kayfabe-era runs, including his "US Express" days, he just seemed like he was going through the motions. |
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| Mad Dog | Mar 10 2015, 08:40 AM Post #852 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I don't think there were many guys there in 85 that worked a style that played to Windham's strengths. His 90s run was clearly during one of his dogging it phases. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Mar 10 2015, 05:21 PM Post #853 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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By the mid to late 90's Big Barry's knees were being held together by duct tape, chewed bubblegum, and some kind of Voodoo magic, so I can't exactly blame him. Its funny though, how much important stuff he was actually around for, but not involved in. I had no idea he was the victim of an Undertaker squash match around the time Kane debuted. 'Taker beat him in about three minutes with the chokeslam, just before Kane hit the ring to confront 'Taker. And apparently Barry and Tom Brandi were second match on house shows around the horn for a few months in 1998. Those must have been fun matches to watch .... |
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| Mad Dog | Mar 10 2015, 05:28 PM Post #854 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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That early 1998 period is really weird as there are all sorts of hold overs still kicking around. |
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| JimBob Skeeter | Mar 11 2015, 12:18 PM Post #855 |
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DWB Champ
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Speaking of Zenk, from his Wiki page: _______________________________________________ Personal life[edit] Zenk attended high school with fellow future pro wrestlers Nikita Koloff, Brady Boone, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, John Nord, and Barry Darsow. _________________________________________________ WTF?!?!?!? I would have hated to be the nerdy/geeky kid in that school. Also, there's this: http://www.tomzenk.net/ You NEED to check out ZenkTV. There are some CLASSICS in there. Sorry, I'm kinda obsessed with The Z-Man. Couple years ago, my brother was going thru bankruptcy and went to an attourney's office for a consultation. his consultant? The Z-Man. My brother was in awe. His actual words: "Holy SHIT! You were in The Can-Am Connection!" Z-Man: "Wow! You're old school!" They laughed. |
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