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| Mad Dog | May 31 2015, 06:48 PM Post #886 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Back to 1987 WWF TV. The 1-17 episode of Superstars was pretty busy. Demolition makes their debut, Ricky Steamboat returns, Hercules/Haynes kicks off and Andre the Giant takes the first step to turning heel. The Piper's Pit segment was great. Andre comes out and makes kind of an indifferent statement and then shakes Hogan's hand and walks away. Hogan gives a painful surprised expression as Andre must have shaken his hand and squeezed very hard. Very nice subtle start to the angle. This was probably one of the best episodes of tv that I've watched from this time period. |
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| Mad Dog | May 31 2015, 06:49 PM Post #887 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I also really love the Bob Orton and Don Muraco tag team. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 4 2015, 08:56 PM Post #888 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Ron Bass lost in his debut match on Superstars. He teamed up with Jimmy Jack Funk and the Gladiator in a losing effort to Blackjack Mulligan, Danny Spivey and Mike Rotunda. Weird use of the guy if you ask me. He didn't eat the pinfall but it still looks bad. They did the same thing with Koko B. Ware. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 4 2015, 09:01 PM Post #889 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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That makes as little sense as possible. He wasn't a top card guy, but a bit higher than the Iron Mike Sharpe's of the JTTS squad. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 5 2015, 05:50 PM Post #890 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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They love teaming mid-carders with a jobber or JTTS and having the jobber/JTTS eat the pinfall in this era. I think Billy Jack Haynes has lost 5 or 6 matches on tv due to that. Just a bizarre way to book. The Hogan/Andre angle is in full swing. The wife was watching the Andre trophy presentation and agreed with Heenan that Hogan stole Andre's thunder. I'm not a Hogan hater but he looked really bad in that segment. He did steal Andre's thunder. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 5 2015, 06:26 PM Post #891 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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It's weird how they choose to do things as well. Ron Bass had one insert promo to introduce him to the WWF while Outback Jack has probably had a solid 2+ months of build before his debut. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 5 2015, 07:16 PM Post #892 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Wow, they're giving tv time on Superstars to Paul Roma vs. Steve Lombardi. What an absolutely awful feud. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 5 2015, 07:21 PM Post #893 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Next week is going to be the big Hogan/Andre confrontation that leads to the match being made. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 5 2015, 07:41 PM Post #894 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I'm really sick of the Danny Davis shit. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 6 2015, 12:12 PM Post #895 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Ron Bass was a always a weird pick-up for the WWF, to me. I think they grabbed him just because. Fairly quickly too, which explains his sudden debut. He didn't really seem to fit in and was just...there. They tried to build a program with him and Blackjack Mulligan, then one with JYD in the Spring of 1988. His senseless feud with Beefcake was his only real notable action. I say senseless, because it was such a random set-up. Beefcake runs in, after one of Bass's jobber squashes, saves a jobber from the spurs, then cuts up Bass's hat and whip. Bass retaliates the next week and cuts Beefcake open. Why did Beefcake get involved in the first place? The Danny Davis stuff was SO over-the-top. Crooked referee is usually a fun angle, but they made his under-handed tactics blatantly obvious. I think it was accepted and despised by the fans because the Bulldogs were insanely over. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 7 2015, 05:20 AM Post #896 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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It's weird to see them sign these guys that were having fairly good runs elsewhere and they just amount to nothing. Bass isn't a wrestler I like by any means but his JCP run was pretty good right before this. There is a Ron Bass vs. Koko B. Ware match I saw on 24/7 a long time ago that I remember enjoying. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 7 2015, 06:46 PM Post #897 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Looking back on it, the Danny Davis stuff was blatantly obvious, and stretched for so long (they began teasing it in the early Fall, and didn't pull the trigger until the start of 1987) that it would become a bit obnoxious, especially with Vince McMahon CONSTANTLY screaming about how he was being unfair to the faces and favoring the heels. I didn't follow WCW closely, but when Teddy Long screwed the Road Warriors with the fastest 3 count known to man, it seemed more organic. |
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| Mad Dog | Jun 8 2015, 08:56 AM Post #898 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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Davis has a match or two an episode so you have to hear Vance and Gorilla bitch. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 8 2015, 09:43 AM Post #899 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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When was the last "crooked ref" angle? "Guest referee" angles don't count, since they're just there to advance a story. Last I can think of is maybe Mark "Slick" Johnson, who was the personal ref of Buff Bagwell and Scott Steiner in WCW in 1999. Charles Robinson did a run as Sid's personal ref in August 1999 or so (after helping Ric Flair, a few months earlier). I think ref angles may have "jumped the shark" with ECW's Bill Alfonso in the summer of 1995. That started out very hot and seemed believable (Shane Douglas supposedly trying to counter the anarchy of ECW by going to the STATE commission). But it lost a lot when Alfonso cut a promo saying "I personally ban every ECW fan from this event", about a month into it. That was just ridiculous, as it became clear he was on the ECW payroll, was just a heat vessel for the fans and crash test dummy for the faces. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 8 2015, 09:50 AM Post #900 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Brad Maddox screwing Ryback at HIAC '12 is the last of the last decade where it didn't seem too obvious, and they used him regularly on TV for a few months before doing it. It may have been tipped off when he "botched" a finish a week or two before that PPV, but it was an accidental screwing of a heel, so the result at HIAC wasn't clear until weeks later: was it a payback in return of the fuck up, or was he paid off by Punk and Heyman. The last time WWE did that otherwise was when they had Sylvain Grenier referee Hogan/Rock at No Way Out '03 and it was just way too obvious, considering his look, build, and how the commentary team reminded us of him being the referee, having never appeared on TV before that. |
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