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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 1 2015, 03:39 PM Post #976 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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I'm a bit surprised by that, even though it's well known among the smart audience that suspicious activities surrounded that case. It's been 32 years, so you figured there wouldn't be anything left to do with it. |
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| The Swigg Lebowski | Sep 9 2015, 09:22 AM Post #977 |
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Current Two Time DWB Champion
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I started watching some of the early Nitro episodes. It's incredible to me that you can tell that they don't have a clue what they're doing from the get go. The announcers are all over the place. It's obvious Bischoff isn't good at play by play. Mongo is more interested at playing at what he thinks is a wrestling good guy by insulting Heenan. Poor Brain is the only one interested in the matches. The promos aren't much better, either. Every promo is unfocused, and reads like a train wreck. Macho Man calls out about six different guys in one promo. It makes me wonder what WCW could have done with someone who had a clue how to run it |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 9 2015, 09:56 AM Post #978 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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WCW's legacy to me was a failing company that fell ass backwards into success, got arrogant about it, and got their just desserts when they were put in a position where the WWF refound their ground and they had no idea how to counter and did every stupid, impulsive thing they could to turn their fans off from the product. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Sep 9 2015, 02:17 PM Post #979 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Let's be realistic: RAW wasn't exactly the pinnacle of wrestling TV in 1995. Vince McMahon and Lawler trying to make culturally relevant references and bad jokes. Marketing a guy doing a bad David Lee Roth impression as their top star, squash matches, a push for Mabel, silly gimmicks still being thrown out (a PIRATE?!?), William Shatner promoting TekWar, etc. When Nitro launched, I would watch it because it seemed to be devoid of the silly BS that was on RAW and WCW's weekend shows. Ever week seemed like a free PPV. Being live helped, too. My favorite line Brain ever had about Mongo: "Pfft. How long is he gonna' be here?!" |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 9 2015, 02:43 PM Post #980 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Raw really sucked for most of 1994-96 (lack of quality wrestling, Vince), but even at the weakest of times, even the bad angles and storylines had a beginning, middle, and end. WCW threw some fun stuff at us, but rarely did it connect into a cohesive story. I prefer watching old Nitro's, but I still remember the WWF storylines. |
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| Mad Dog | Sep 9 2015, 03:41 PM Post #981 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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The announcing is bad, really bad. But I don't think Bischoff gets enough credit for how groundbreaking and forward thinking he was with Nitro. Just look at that first Nitro for a good example of what he was going for. He throws out Liger/Pillman as the opener, which is a style and quality of match you would never see on Raw. That was an amazing way to set WCW apart for any curious eyes immediately. Then you throw out Sting/Flair as the WCW standard bearer match. Then Hogan/Rogers as a well remembered nostalgia WWF match. Top that off with Luger jumping ship and Nitro was instantly something different. Then on top of that he brings in Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero and Jerry Lynn and starts having a workrate match every Monday. This also isn't mentioned much but pre-nWo in 1996 WCW was seeing a real turnaround with attendance with the Savage/Flair program. The nWo took them to the next level but 1996 they were going to turn around business with or without the Hogan turn. I think you can look at Nitro as Bischoff starting to really mature as a wrestling mind. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Sep 10 2015, 10:45 AM Post #982 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Agree with Mad Dog, 100%. I remember gushing over Nitro in 1997, due to the roster. Cruiserweights (Rey, Psicosis, Ultimo, Juvy, MALENKO, etc.), top name Main Event guys (Hogan, Nash, Sting, Luger, Macho Man, Piper) and some up-and-comers (Benoit, Saturn, Jericho, Eddy, etc.) The mid card was solid, too. Hennig, Jarrett, MENG, Raven and his clowns, Bagwell, Regal, Konnan, etc. Mix in the tag teams, the occasional Japanese guys and even some of the lesser stuff like "Blood Runs Cold" ... and it's just an all around great variety. Heck, even Super Calo seemed like a big deal when he showed up in 1996. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 18 2015, 10:25 PM Post #983 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Going back to watching some WWF TV, this time starting at the beginning of 1989. It was around this time I started watching wrestling. My first PPV memory was the '88 Survivor Series, but stuff like Andre vs. Roberts, babyface Demolition, the Twin Towers, and the Mega Powers is what I really remember as my first impressions. - Honkytonk Man is clearly being phased down the card in rapid style. He's quickly fallen from long-tenured IC Champion to engaging in a meaningless undercard tag team program with the Hart Foundation... but I'm getting ahead of myself. Thoughts of the January '89 SNME: - The Brutus Beefcake/Ron Bass program is blown off. The match is so-so (its BEEFCAKE vs. BASS, after all), but the fact it has a clean finish and they don't swerve us by not delivering the payoff is what really surprises me. Bass just doesn't get a few strands cut, Beefcake gives him a straight up buzz cut. On a related note, one of the few internet "facts" that always bothered me was when people would claim this aired AFTER the '89 Rumble, where Bass shows up bald. Ummm... the broadcast date was January 7th. 8 days before that PPV. Fact checking must've been hard to do back in 2002. - Hulk Hogan vs. Akeem is your standard formula Hogan match, where he not only beats on Akeem most of the match, but constantly takes cheap shots at the Boss Man and Slick. The numbers FINALLY get the best of him, but Savage isn't in too much of a hurry to help until Elizabeth is put in harms way. - Ultimate Warrior beats Honkytonk Man to finally put an end to their weak house show run. After the glorious end to Honky's reign at SummerSlam, Honky chasing unsuccessfully for another 4-months just seemed underwhelming. I guess you could say this was it for Honky having a serious role in the company, beyond throw-away midcard programs with guys like Jimmy Snuka and Dusty Rhodes... but I'm getting ahead of myself. - Tito Santana vs. Red Rooster: Santana is just a guy here for us to advance the angle with the Rooster breaking away from Bobby Heenan. We'll see in short order how fall Santana fell down the babyface depth chart. Match is background noise to Heenan constantly insulting his protégé and "giving him instructions". Rooster turns face by assaulting him. Go babyfaces! Funny cameo of George Steinbrenner at ringside, having an exchange with Heenan about firing the Rooster. - Koko B. Ware vs. Mr. Perfect (still billed as Curt Hennig) is just a quick squash to showcase Hennig under his new persona. Koko just hung around forever as the King of the Babyface JTTS'. - The 1989 Royal Rumble is coming soon than later, and when you look at the card on paper... it looks REALLY bad. The Rumble Match is loaded with roster depth (including the WWF Champion), but the undercard is very weak. Warrior and Rude are in non-wrestling roles and its the equivalent to the Bravo Bench Press segment from 1988 (just too long), the worthless Women's Title is defended, Harley Race is back from injury for a conclusion to a heatless program with Haku... the only undercard match with any meat to it is the combining of two programs (Foundation/Rougeaus, Duggan/Bravo). But that Rumble Match... it has high profile names like Savage, Hogan, Roberts, Andre, Bad News, Boss Man, Akeem, Beefcake, Dibiase, Ax and Smash going at it, and tons of cool spots. Lets not forget workhorses like Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard in their only Rumble appearance. - The Bushwhackers have arrived. On and off (but mostly on) for the next 8 YEARS, they would stink up the ring and make me question why I'm supposed to cheer these geeks. They've, almost over night, gone from blood thirsty brawlers to a bad comedy routine. Only in the WWF. - Big John Studd is back. He's an awful babyface, but he's feuding with Bobby Heenan because he used to be managed by him. Remember when Ken Patera was brought back as a babyface and it mostly flopped? Yeah, Big John Studd can join him for a terrible miscasting. I guess I could've mentioned Studd in my running down the Rumble lineup, but he's just AWFUL. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 19 2015, 07:56 AM Post #984 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Feature match between Randy Savage and Akeem from an episode of SuperStars. It was always a treat to see the WWF Champion in action on the syndicated shows. Savage has the match won until the Boss Man runs in for the DQ… and almost instantly, Hogan shows up, easily clears the ring of the Twin Towers, and goes into his pose-down routine while Savage gives him dirty looks. Quite a contrast to the SNME incident where Savage left Hogan to fend for himself for what felt like an eternity. They tease a feud between Rockin’ Robin and Sensational Sherri, but we all know where that went: Sherri became the physicially threatening manager of the Macho Man following WrestleMania V, and Robin and the WWF Women’s Championship disappeared. The belt wouldn’t make a return until Alundra Blayze won it in a “Tournament” in December of 1993. They do have a funny segment where Gene Okerlund gets caught in between their cat-fight. I doubt he tried very hard to get out of that sandwich. Bobby Heenan offers a fake apology to the Red Rooster on Prime Time Wrestling, only to sucker blow him and have his newest protégé, Steve Lombardi, now known as the Brooklyn Brawler, take him out. In an odd moment, Lombardi actually lays out GORILLA MONSOON in the process of putting the boots to the Rooster. Yes, Bobby Heenan’s official list of protégé’s includes the Brooklyn fucking Brawler. His push wouldn’t last through the Spring, and he would be back to being a syndies scrub who worked prelims on the house shows. Too bad we didn’t get Rooster vs. Brawler at WrestleMania V. Who doesn’t love Wacky Random JTTS Tag Teams? Here’s a good one from 1989: The Blue Blazer and Koko B. Ware. They’ve got a PTW Exclusive against an equally random team, Danny Davis and Jose Estrada. |
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| Infinite Devil Machine | Sep 19 2015, 08:47 PM Post #985 |
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A Very Cunning Linguist
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According to the Honkytonk Man himself, Randy Savage is responsible for his abrupt and precipitous shuttling down the card. Honky and Savage had, in Honky's own opinion, an amazing match on a SNME episode that ended with Honky retaining the title over Savage after mountains of shenanigans and cheating. They had a three segment match, which lasted through two commercial breaks and they had the live crowd eating out of their hands. After the match, Honky was in his locker room. Savage knocked on the door and stormed in. He threatened to, again in Honky's words, "kill him" if he "ever did that again". Savage was irate that Honky dropped him with a short back-suplex, picking him up and immediately falling back with it instead of going through the full motion of the maneuver. Savage claimed that Honky failed to adequately protect him. Shortly thereafter, Honky was pinned by The Warrior in 10 seconds. Jobbed out and then shuffled down the card to barely beat "Jumping" Jim Brunzell on the b-show loop. Fun fact. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Sep 23 2015, 02:01 PM Post #986 |
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I'm Big E and I tell it like it is
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Wouldn't call it a "fact". First off, it's Honky Tonk Man trying to draw attention to himself, again. Always take his claims with a grain of salt. Second off, the "great" SNME match he's talking about was probably on the October 1987 SNME. Yes, it was lengthy and yes, the crowd was eating it up. He conveniently forgets that this match also featured the "Formation of the Mega Powers" as Liz went to the back and dragged out Hulk Hogan to save Macho from a beatdown. "Shortly thereafter Honky was pinned by the Warrior in 10 seconds" is completely incorrect. Unless you define "shortly" as "10 MONTHS later". Ultimate Warrior pinned Honky Tonk for the IC title at the first SummerSlam in late August 1988. During this "short" time (October 1987 through August 1988), Honky headlined the b-shows with Macho Man, retained his title at WrestleMania IV and was still the #2 or #3 heel in the company. Once Warrior beat him, they went around the horn with rematches until January 1988. THEN is when Honky started sliding down the card. Teamed with Greg Valentine against the Harts, put over a returning Jimmy Snuka, put over Dusty Rhodes, then going into a fairly high-profile tag team with Valentine, again. A "slide" that last until the beginning of 1991, so it's not like his bank account or career was suffering. If anything, Honky was a pro during that time. He even (sorta') headlined the July 1989 SNME against Hulk Hogan. It's entirely possible that Macho Man confronted him about the unprotected suplex, but the rest of the story is a HUGE stretch. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 25 2015, 10:13 AM Post #987 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Kicking things off with the Main Event special... The Mega Powers EXPLODE! Excusing Hogan's poor acting, he really does come across as someone who isn't too bright. Yes, being concerned with your female companion is acceptable, but you're leaving your best buddy to two super-heavyweights who are more than capable of beating the crap out of you single handedly, let alone as a united effort. I can see why older/smarter fans would side with Savage. Hogan's always got to be the center of attention (see: the run-in for Savage/Akeem a few weeks back, Survivor Series) and he's getting way too friendly with Savage's woman. Poor Hercules... the guy has a lame as lame can be face turn (sold to Dibiase as a SLAVE, refuses, insta-turn), does a weak job at Survivor Series, and does a weak job here to put the final nail in the program with Dibiase. From here, it's what, a year-plus of just being an undercard jobber? I don't think Hercules does a thing of note until turning heel in the Summer of '90. For whatever reasons, this taping cycle of Wrestling Challenge (1-25 from Phoenix, AZ) has Lord Alfred Hayes doing the live interviews, a job usually reserved for Gene Okerlund. Short and sweet... Hayes really stinks at it. Ted Dibiase is shopping around for his custom-made Million Dollar Belt. I never quite bought the "compensation for the WWF Title" crap, mostly because it contradicts the year-long planning for Hogan/Savage to be back at WrestleMania V, and this isn't the NWA: heels rarely left winning the big belt in the main event. That and we're almost a year removed from said date of Dibiase being "screwed" over. The M$T belt is just a booking tool. Notice the moment Dibiase was involved in a program over a "real" title (the Tag Titles in '92), the M$T was quietly retired. Just a little weird they did a special episode of PTW hyping Mania V called "Face to Face" the 3rd week of FEBRUARY. That's a long time between a super-hype-job and the PPV itself. Typical scheduling for years to come was having the special a week or so before the PPV, not 6 weeks. It's just a bunch of "face to face" interviews from a Superstars taping, sandwiched around a lot of crummy undercard matches recycled from the February show in Boston. There's also a feature taped from Milwaukee between Demolition and the Powers of Pain. Dammit, if only Fuji were a legal participant, then Demolition would have a fair shake... The Brooklyn Brawler almost always wears a Yankees shirt. The Bronx and Brooklyn are two different boroughs, but maybe someone thought hardcore non-Yankee fans would think "screw this guy, he ain't a true representation of Brooklyn wearing Yankee colors" and tune in to watch WWF television programs. Tony Schiavone has made his debut doing features on Prime Time Wrestling. Outside of the latter years of WCW where he was clearly unmotivated, I always thought Schiavone was good at calling matches, sometimes great. But at the time, NWA/WCW was still treated as a more serious product, while the WWF had more than its fair share of goofy characters, and there's no way anyone could put some of this stuff over. There's a featured segment between the Rockers and Brain Busters that ends in a quick no contest. I almost wanted to fantasy re-book that for Mania V, but then I recall enjoying Rockers/Twin Towers and Brain Busters/Strike Force. I guess a couple of really good matches on SNME is good enough. The Mania V crowd sucked and wouldn't have appreciated the work, anyway. Andre The Giant makes a rare in-ring appearance on Superstars, doing a handicap semi-squash of Jim Powers and... TITO SANTANA?! That's what I meant by Santana dropping way down the card. I don't care who the opponent is, working side-by-side with Powers in a handicap match is just as low as you can get before you turn into the Dusty Wolfe and Omar Atlas territory of jobbers. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Sep 25 2015, 10:29 AM Post #988 |
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I remember freaking out, hard, when I heard Tony on Prime Time. I thought it was a huge coup to get him away from the NWA. He did a good job in the one year he was there. They sort of made him "Gorilla's protege" as the year wore on. His joining the broadcast booth on Wrestling Challenge was one of the (kayfabe) reasons the Brain went off to do the "Bobby Heenan Show" and left Challenge, altogether, for about a month in the fall. I really think 1989 was Heenan's best overall year of his WWF career. Not just because he had the IC and tag champs, but his character was hitting on all cylinders, everywhere. He could be the evil cheating manager, as well as the slapstick stuntman when needed. Most managers weren't directly involved with feuds, but Heenan was front-line with the Red Rooster angle and the Rude/Piper angle. Later on, he became a part of the Brain Busters/Demolition angle. He fired the Busters and formed sort of the "Demolition Revenge Squad" by putting Andre and Haku together. |
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| Mad Dog | Sep 27 2015, 01:39 PM Post #989 |
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ho ho who the hell are you?
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I think Tony and Jesse were a pretty underrated team in the booth. He's constantly great in my JCP watching. Granted, I'm only up to October of 1985 but that's been 10 months of World Wide Wrestling and 6 months of World Championship Wrestling episodes that I've sat through. I would still take Jim Ross or Lance Russell first in a play by play announcer fantasy draft but I would take Schiavone over just about anyone else. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Sep 28 2015, 01:10 PM Post #990 |
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I'll get you next time, toilet!
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Picking up in March of '89... - The Red Rooster is now sporting the red spiked Mohawk and is strutting around with more exaggerated "rooster" antics. As a heel, it was just a doofy name for a guy who was considered a young guy needing guidance, but now he's a doofy babyface who is considered a young guy in need of guidance acting like a complete moron. It's no surprise they just went right to the Heenan blowoff at Mania V and ignored stringing it along with other Family members. - Lots of Brooklyn Brawler means lots of "Terry Garvin School of Self-Defense" jokes by Gorilla Monsoon. - Rick Martel is back from a career-threatening injury and Tito wants him by his side for a match with the Brain Busters at WrestleMania V. - The March SNME is our last big special before Mania V. Bad News Brown is continues to be pushed as "undefeated", but it feels like he's dropped completely out of mind since the turn of the new year and just feels like left-overs to put Hogan over as some kind of quasi-finish to disrespecting Elizabeth. Bad News' stock completely falls as he spends the rest of 1989 in limbo. Considering the midcard status of Brutus Beefcake (soon-to-be shoe-horned into Hogan and Savage's stuff) and Ted Dibiase (just debuted his Million Dollar Belt), it's a bit odd they are just a thrown together match for WrestleMania V. Speaking of Dibiase... in TV time, he got to wrestle both Owen and Bret Hart in roughly a week. He squashed the Blue Blazer on the 3-11-89 SNME and wrestled Bret to a TLD on the 3-20-89 episode of Prime Time. I'm pretty sure the Bret match is on a random Coliseum Video as well as the first Bret Hart DVD set. There's really not much else to really bring up on this 2-hour disc. The Mania V card was completely set with more than a month to go, with most of the matches being just random undercard filler. With the exception of tons of green-screen promos from Savage and Hogan, everything else was in a bit of a holding pattern. |
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