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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 15 2016, 01:06 PM Post #1171 |
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I always tied up the loose ends there as "Jake went nuts when Damien was killed and that's why he became a dick bag to Warrior." |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 15 2016, 01:35 PM Post #1172 |
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On the topic of Jake/Warrior, a part of me really wanted to see how the feud would of unfolded into the fall of 91.As over the top as those three ''teachings of the darkside'' were they had me invested in the whole thing. But unfortunately the whole Warrior/Mcmahon Summerslam 91 debacle happened. Instead though we did get the classic Roberts/Savage feud which is one of my favorite feuds from that time period. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 15 2016, 01:48 PM Post #1173 |
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The Undertaker/Jake team was kinda' cool. Rumors were that Sid would get involved and help out Warrior. Seemed like this would've been a fun and memorable feud for Warrior, but it didn't work out. You're right--- for backtracking and having to pick up the pieces, Savage/Roberts was pretty good, even if it started out kinda' clunky. I never really understood why Jake would've sabotaged the Macho Wedding in the first place. Just because he's a big meanie and to be a jerk, I guess. But then it led to Macho Man reading poems about reinstatement, Roberts grabbing Liz (gasp!), then the over-the-top snake bite incident. Good stuff. |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 15 2016, 02:11 PM Post #1174 |
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If that whole Warrior situation didn't happened and he stayed, I wonder what they would of done with Savage after the ''wedding''. But yeah I could of seen a Team Jake vs Team Warrior at Survivor Series 91. But Jake from August 91 until April 92 was absolutely gold. His promos were always great but during that heel run man they were just awesome. Imagine if he stayed past WM 8 the feuds he could of had. Heel Jake without a doubt is in my top 10 heels of all time. I miss those days |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 16 2016, 08:34 AM Post #1175 |
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I think the long-term plan was to always bring back Savage as a full-time competitor by WrestleMania 8. They just had to speed things up once Warrior left. If Warrior hadn't left, I could've seen them keeping Savage as a commentator and unofficial "WWF Babyface Ambassador" until the right angle came along to spring him back into action. As a commentator, he had a chance to interact with everybody on the roster, so he could start an instant main event feud with whomever they wanted. The Flair angle in early 1992; unfolding exactly as it did; would've been enough to kick-start Macho Man back into the ring. |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 16 2016, 08:58 AM Post #1176 |
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Savage had two great feuds back to back with Roberts and Flair for sure. The promos to em both were great. I always liked the Flair quote ''She was mine, Before she was yours''. 91 and 92 WWF TV were both very good imo. Back on the topic of Warrior if he would of stayed past 92, The rumor was a match against Bret Hart at Royal Rumble 93. It would of been interesting if they turned Warrior heel to feud with Bret. Imagine a heel Warrior with his already off the wall promos. That would of been must see TV. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 16 2016, 10:33 AM Post #1177 |
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Best time for a heel Warrior turn ]would've been the end of Survivor Series 1990. Clotheslines Hogan, for stealing his spotlight, at the end of the "Grand Finale of Survival". There was speculation that they might've gone that route, since the rumored plan was to have Hogan/Warrior II at WrestleMania VII at the LA Memorial Coliseum. But I think the "real world" situation of Desert Storm led them to book Slaughter as the champ and run with that, instead. Whether it was Slaughter/Hogan or Warrior/Hogan headlining, I don't think they would've reached their hoped-for sell-out of the LA Coliseum. They would've moved to the LA Arena, regardless. My favorite lines from WM7: Heenan: "I'm hosting a party on Prime Time, tomorrow night. Wanna' come?" Regis Philbin: "Sure! Can Kathie Lee come, too?" Heenan: "No!! Wait... unless she brings her husband-- Red Grange." |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 16 2016, 11:04 AM Post #1178 |
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I'm surprised they never brought back that ''Final Match of Survival''. I actually liked the concept of it. But I agree no main event, regardless of who was in it was going to sell out that L.A. Coliseum. A Warrior heel turn though,man I would of been all for that. Heenan and Ventura: wrestling's two best heel announcers ever and quite frankly imo they will never be topped. Great choice of favorite lines from WM 7 btw Erick. Heenan was on fire on commentary that night. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 16 2016, 12:07 PM Post #1179 |
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The "Match of Survival" was a cool concept for something on free TV, but trying to sell a big match without any promises is hard to do with PPV. Same reason the KOTR or most tournament-heavy PPV's were bombs. The casual paying audience wants something guaranteed, not a possibility. Especially when the WWF almost never followed through on the potential. |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 16 2016, 12:44 PM Post #1180 |
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The one thing I never liked about tournaments was how predictable they were. If a heel won you knew the face was going to win the next match so they would face each other next round. For instance the tournament at WM 4 it came down to Savage vs OMG with Dibiase already in the finals due to a bye. No way in hell the finals were going to be OMG vs Dibiase heel vs heel. That being said though I still liked tournaments with the WM 4 World Title tournament being my favorite. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 16 2016, 01:42 PM Post #1181 |
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I've never been a big fan of tournaments. My first exposure to them was WM4...and I was completely pissed that two matches ended in double eliminations (Rude/Roberts and then Hogan/Andre). When playing "fantasy tournament" booker at school, nobody picked a double elimination for any match. I think we were all used to the NCAA tournament, in which one team always advanced over another. So you can imagine the letdown. I do like going back and checking out the randomness of the "Crockett Cup" tournaments from JCP, though. Those were kinda' fun. Perfect opportunity for a team like the "Super Powers" of Dusty Rhodes and Nikita Koloff to come out on top. |
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| HeenanandMonsoon | Jun 16 2016, 07:09 PM Post #1182 |
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Yeah the double eliminations were stupid. As much as I like tournaments, they do have flaws and I can understand why some people don't like them. They should of definitely did Savage vs Steamboat in round 2 to make it exciting and unpredictable but again like I said almost all the time they do face vs heel and never face vs face and heel vs heel in tournaments. What helped me through that tournament and one of the main reasons why I enjoyed it so much was the commentary of Jesse and Gorilla. When Gorilla passed away in 1999 it hit me hard. He was the soundtrack to my childhood. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 17 2016, 09:01 AM Post #1183 |
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WrestleMania IV was my first official foray into complete wrestling fandom and the first PPV I ever ordered. I mean, it was on the same day as my birthday that year! I liked it for nostalgic and sentimental reasons, but re-watching it later, I saw how slow and lackluster it really was (it was all TRUMP's fault!!! *snicker*). Even SummerSlam '88 seemed to have better energy. I latched on to Gorilla's cliches and mannerisms in WM4, as well. Heck, Bret Hart took one of his cliches and made it part of his character. I always felt like, if I had worked at WWF, that Gorilla would've been the first guy to come up and welcome me. |
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| Scrooge McSuck | Jun 17 2016, 09:28 AM Post #1184 |
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The one fantasy booking I never cared for is "steamboat vs. Savage II" at Mania 4. 1. It was Savage's night to shine. Don't split the crowd by putting him in a face vs. face situation when the story is him having to overcome the odds. 2. If you do the match, someone has to work heel, and it's not Steamboat. Again, Savage's night to shine as the big babyface. 3. The crowd sucked, and wouldn't have cared. 4. Andre/Hulk was already on the books for a Mania 3 rematch. Had it been a random KOTR Tournament, it would've been a fine change, like when they did Bret vs. Hennig at KOTR '93 and let them go at it for 20+ minutes with subtle heel work, but still ultimately face vs. face. |
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| Erick Von Erich | Jun 17 2016, 10:54 AM Post #1185 |
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Steamboat was on his way out, and Valentine's solo run had just re-started in January. So it makes sense why Valentine went over. Steamboat had some pre-recorded promos that aired on WWF TV, after WM4. I think he was targeting Valentine and saying 1988 would be the "year of the Dragon". Obviously, that never went anywhere. Along with Steamboat, Harley Race and King Kong Bundy were guys they kept in the magazines and in video highlight packages, even though they were all MIA in the spring/summer of 1988. They featured Bundy in a Prime Time "feature match" sometime in May. Bam Bam Bigelow was added to that group sometime in June. Then George Steele in the fall. Guys who have left, but we want to give the illusion that they're still with us. If Steamboat/Savage II had happened in the second round it would not have hurt Savage, I think. Have a clean finish and a handshake from Steamboat. Although, any animosity between the two was kinda' cleared up, indirectly, at Survivor Series '87. Savage probably would've won with a decent counter and not the flying elbow. Sure, crowd wouldn't have cared, but it would've given Savage a rub. "Wow, he avenged his biggest loss, cleanly, and is a better man for it. He also didn't need to use the Big Elbow to win. This guy has the goods!" |
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