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2011-12 MLB Off-Season Thread
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 01:48 PM (3,860 Views)
Mad Dog
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It's better than the NBA League pass where you can never watch your team play even after the fact.

Some of last season's games are available and good god, it looked gorgeous on my television.

I really like it though. ESPN has become such a drag with only playing Yankee, Red Sox, Cards and Mets on television constantly.
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Mad Dog
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So ESPN has a major boner for the Cards this year and I just don't get it at all. They lost their manager and Albert Pujols. I'm sorry but Holladay/Berkman/Beltran are not going to replace Pujols. Those guys are old and injury prone. Plus, who of those three are going to scare pitchers enough to change their approach at the plate?

And let's go beyond that. The pitching staff is good but aging land injury prone. You can't depend on a full season out of Wainwright and Carpenter.

Plus, who outside of the above three are even offensive threats?

ESPN is acting like Cards win the Central no problem. I just don't see it. This team has some serious flaws and lack depth.
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The NL Central is the leading pick'em division of 2012. Anyone can win it this year (except Houston... sorry). The Cards and Brewers are worse off since last season, the Cubs are the Cubs, the Pirates were contenders until crashing after that 19-inning fiasco and could easily get better, and the Reds were playoff chasers recently, as well.
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Mad Dog
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The Reds have added a lot of pieces to the pitching staff, including stealing Ryan Madson.

I'd argue the Cubs have no chance. Their team is pretty bad. I also don't really like the moves the Pirates made.

I think every team but the Reds got worse this year. The Reds got a lot better but the biggest mistake they made is retaining Dusty Baker as their manager. The team is going to have to win despite him like they did in 2010 if they want to make it back to the playoffs.
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Mad Dog,Feb 13 2012
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I also don't really like the moves the Pirates made.

The Pirates will never get the top-tier free agents. The two moves they made that I do like are getting Erik Bedard and Casey McGehee. The newswire sites just list who they've brought in...and it's always less-than-impressive.

Overall, their strategy is to continue building from their system. Which is why they've signed some "filler" guys, like Clint Barmes or Rod Barajas, who will just be keeping a position warm until the next prospect is ready.

The discouraging thing is that for every Andrew McCutchen they produce, they have 3 Chad Hermansens. Right now, Pedro Alvarez is on the clock, in terms of whether or not he'll bust.

Regardless, they're in a much better position than they were, say, 10 years ago. That's been the recurring mantra of Pirate fans since 1993, but after last year's run it doesn't seem like such smoke.
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Gary Carter passed away yesterday. Sad news, one of the better catchers of his era. He played mostly as an Expo, but we all of course probably remember him most as a member of the Mets and specifically that 1986 team of assholes... and Gary Carter.


The Yanks have managed to dump A.J. Burnett on Pittsburgh. Maybe moving back to the NL, and a weaker division, will help his career. Oh, and the lack of the media, too.


Tim Wakefield officially called it a career, and it's about time for Jason Varitek to do the same. I'm not a big 'Tek fan, but when it comes to the majors, playing your entire (lengthy) career with one team is a rarity, and would much rather him retire as that instead of a back-up for whoever on, say, Kansas City or San Diego.
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you beat me to it about Burnett. Thank God he is gone from the Yankees.
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Erick Von Erich
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Just when I was feeling good about the Pirates... they go and get AJ Burnett, agreeing to spend $13 million on him. Good golly...

Reminds of Dave Littlefield going and getting Matt Morris a few years ago.
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Actually, Burnett is due for a good season this year. I think a good move for both teams. The Yankees ditch a guy who sucks, the Pirates probably get him for cheap and have a shot at him being productive.

I think if he pitches 190 innings and keeps his ERA to say a low 4, I think the Pirates would be thrilled with that.
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Where I'm at with is: if the Pirates, notorious cheapskates, have $13 mil burning a whole in their pockets, there are better ways of spending it than on AJ Burnett.

That's the frustrating thing about them over the years. When they do spend money, it's on guys like Alejandro Pena, Brian Hunter, Mike Kingery, Terry Mulholland, Matt Stairs, Chris Stynes, etc.
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Ryan Braun wins his appeal of a possible 50-game suspension for a positive test for PHD's... What a total sham that MLB allowed the information to leak when there clearly was doubt about the authenticity of the sample (and a re-test came back negative). It's bad enough we've turned baseball into a witch hunt at times. Don't tarnish the name and reputation of one of their newer, young superstars the same year he won the MVP award. Horrible timing and horrible handling of the entire thing.
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A.J. Burnett goes down for 8-12 weeks thanks to a broken orbital bone from a bunting accident earlier in the week.

In other news, MLB has aproved the "Playoff expansion", which I'm sure makes owners happy (money, money, money, money...), but as a fan, it just waters it down more. The good thing about baseball is that unlike the NBA and NHL, the playoff system, even with the Division Series addition, wasn't oversaturated. 10 teams is still "only" 33% of the league, but you know the potential to include more, if it means a few million dollars more.
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I'm iffy on the idea. I'm sure I would suddenly love it the second it got the Reds into the playoffs one season.

I'm fine with it as long as this is as far as it ever goes. A third of the teams is still better than most leagues and really, a play in game isn't so bad. Let's look at how it would've effected the last few seasons:

2011: Boston vs. Tampa Bay in the AL and St. Louis vs. Atlanta in the NL. Honestly, I thought the way the season played out on the final day was more satisfying as a fan with this group.

2010: New York vs. Boston in the AL and Atlanta vs. San Diego in the NL. NL game would've been great. The media would've been jerking off to that NY/Boston game. Kind of falls apart here as you're making a 95 win team play an 89 win team to get into the playoffs.

2009: Texas vs. Boston in the AL and Colorado vs. Florida in the NL. Really weak play ins here. Two 90+ win teams taking on 87 win teams. Plus, Boston and Colorado were clearly superior teams this year. It would've really sucked if one of them got knocked off by the inferior team.

2008: New York vs. Boston in the AL and Milwaukee vs. New York in the NL. Again, media would've been jerking off to both New York teams being in. The NL match up would've been decent. But on the other end you have 95 win team facing an 89 win team. Just seems wrong.

On second thought to this. I'm against it. Out of 4 years worth of this, most of the games were mid 90 win teams having to waste time on a high 80 win team. That just doesn't cut it for me. Not enough teams get enough wins consistently for this game to not fuck over more deserving teams on a consistent basis.

If you go out there and you win 95 games over the course of 162 games. You went out there and you won a majority of your games. Now, MLB is punishing teams that excel and risk their entire 162 game season on 1 game where most of the time it's going to be a mediocre 87 win team that did a little better than average. That feels kind of fucked up.
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Erick Von Erich
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I'm iffy on it as well. Like Mad Dog, I'm thinking: "if the Pirates or Rockies get in this way, then I love it!"

But it also takes away the specialness of the true "play-in" games. I went to Colorado/San Diego Game 163 in 2007 and it was kind of like seeing Haley's Comet. Something that rarely happens. The Twins and White Sox had a pretty amazing Game 163 a few years ago, as well. If they happen every year, then that uniqueness goes away.
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Anybody doing fantasy baseball this year? I'm looking to get in a league
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