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2018 MLB Hall of Fame
Topic Started: Nov 21 2017, 09:16 AM (216 Views)
Erick Von Erich
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Holdovers:
1 Trevor Hoffman 3rd
2 Vladimir Guerrero 2nd
3 Edgar Martinez 9th
4 Roger Clemens 6th
5 Barry Bonds 6th
6 Mike Mussina 5th
7 Curt Schilling 6th
8 Manny Ramirez 2nd
9 Larry Walker 8th
10 Fred McGriff 9th
11 Jeff Kent 5th
12 Gary Sheffield 4th
13 Billy Wagner 3rd

Of this list, Hoffman and Guerrero are very likely to make it. Bonds, Ramirez and Clemens will make a lot of noise and eat up votes. Ballot's a little too stacked (see below) for them to make it in 2018. I like Edgar Martinez, but he will probably have to bank on the 10th year Sympathy Vote if he has any chance of getting in.

First-timers:
15 Chipper Jones 1st
16 Jim Thome 1st
17 Scott Rolen 1st
18 Andruw Jones 1st
19 Johan Santana 1st
20 Johnny Damon 1st
21 Carlos Zambrano 1st
22 Jamie Moyer 1st
23 Omar Vizquel 1st
24 Chris Carpenter 1st
25 Livan Hernandez 1st
26 Orlando Hudson 1st
27 Kevin Millwood 1st
28 Kerry Wood 1st
29 Carlos Lee 1st
30 Aubrey Huff 1st
31 Hideki Matsui 1st
32 Jason Isringhausen 1st
33 Brad Lidge

I think Chipper and Thome are almost shoo-ins. Vizquel will get a lot of votes, but probably not make the cut this year. Andruw Jones will probably be on the bubble for the next few years. I could see Rolen, Damon and Moyer making the minimum 5% and sticking around for another year. Writers seemed to LOVE Chris Carpenter, so he may get a few votes, but probably not enough to make 5%. The rest are probably one-and-done.

Full listing (with stats) at:https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2018.shtml

Heavy-hitters arriving on the ballot for 2019 are Mariano Rivera (shoo-in), Andy Pettitte, Miguel Tejada and Roy Halladay. So it's not going to get easier for Martinez, Bonds, Clemens and Ramirez.
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I'll give it to Hoffman, Vlad, Chipper, and Thome this year.

Vizquel will get in on the 3rd or 4th year (he's an all defense guy, so I can see that held against him).

Clemens and Bonds will surpass 60% of votes this year.

Kerry Wood will get 2 votes.
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I thought Guerrero got in last year. Guess not

Guerrero should get in this year

Chipper Jones and Jim thome for sure of the 1st timers

How the fuck Edgar Martinez is not in already is criminal. Yes he was a DH. But he was a HoF hitter for sure

Schilling deserves it as well

Of the other first timers, Vizquel deserves it. It won't be this year though

Rolen and Moyer are the only other first timers that should get even 5% of the vote

Hoffman should get in as well

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Piazza and Bagwell, despite speculation, are both in. Anyone that played in the 90's and early 2000's with superb offensive numbers has a cloud over them.

Clemens and Bonds should be in by that logic. None of them failed a drug test, so you can't hold some to one standard and others to another.
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Jack Morris and Alan Trammell have been voted in by the veterans committee. I wasn't too in love with their numbers for induction, and this might lead to fewer inductees from the fresh crop of candidates.
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Yeah, I feel that they don't seem like Hall of Famers. Sort of the Tim Raines/Jim Rice effect that's lowered the bar a bit. Both very good, but not HOF level. Heck, you could make a serious case for Jim Kaat, now.

If nothing else, I suppose all those countless Alam Trammell and Jack Morris cards I have from 1988 to 1993 have now increased their "value" by a penny or two.

And, yeah, probably only Thome and Chipper getting in, now. I'd condone at least two more, but there's that weird un-written rule about having a small class, every year (as opposed to the modern NFL HOF voting, where 6-8 guys who played about 5-6 years, each, get in. But not Steve Atwater, dammit).
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New 2018 inductees:

-Chipper (Larry) Jones
-Jim Thome
-Vladimir Guerrero
-Trevor Hoffman

Have no problems with any of those. Glad they were able to "squeeze" in four guys.

In:
Jones, 97.2
Guerrero, 92.9
Thome, 89.9
Hoffman, 79.9


STILL in the running for future ballots:
Edgar Martinez, 70.4
Mike Mussina, 63.5
Roger Clemens, 57.3
Barry Bonds, 56.4
Curt Schilling, 51.2
Omar Vizquel, 37
Larry Walker, 34.1 (F*ck this guy)
Fred McGriff, 23.2
Manny Ramirez, 22
Jeff Kent, 14.5
Gary Sheffield, 11.1
Billy Wagner, 11.1
Scott Rolen, 10.2
Sammy Sosa, 7.8
Andruw Jones, 7.2
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Guys who missed 5% and are off future ballots:

Jamie Moyer, 2.4
Johan Santana, 2.4 (surprised he dropped this low; figured he'd make 5%)
Johnny Damon, 1.9 (ditto)
Hideki Matsui, 0.9
Chris Carpenter, 0.5 (I'm guessing the 0.5 came from St. Louis voters)
Kerry Wood, 0.5
Livan Hernandez, 0.2
Carlos Lee, 0.2

Nobody cares about these guys:

Orlando Hudson 0
Aubrey Huff 0
Jason Isringhausen 0
Brad Lidge 0
Kevin Millwood 0
Carlos Zambrano 0

Gonna' be tough for Edgar Martinez to get in on his 10th year. Mariano Rivera, Miguel Tejada and Roy Halladay arrive on the ballot in 2019. Rivera's a shoo-in, but Tejada and Halladay will get consideration and eat up votes.
Edited by Erick Von Erich, Jan 24 2018, 05:52 PM.
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In my post above I had all 4 that got in plus Edgar and schilling

Still don't understand how Edgar isn't in.

Who the fuck voted for Livan Hernandez or Carlos Lee?
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Johan is a 2-time Cy Young winner who dominated for a solid 4-5 years, and he didn't get 5%. That's cold. Not saying he should be in, but show a little respect.
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torturedsoulv1
Jan 24 2018, 09:03 PM
Who the fuck voted for Livan Hernandez or Carlos Lee?
For Livan Hernandez: I'd say Eric Gregg, if he were still alive and had voting rights.
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Jan 24 2018, 11:16 PM
Johan is a 2-time Cy Young winner who dominated for a solid 4-5 years, and he didn't get 5%. That's cold. Not saying he should be in, but show a little respect.
He missed to much time due to injury to even get 5%
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Don Mattingly stayed on the ballot for 15 years with a similar 4-5 year window of greatness. Missed an entire season (practically) and then 4-5 years of mediocrity. It's hard to compare position players to pitchers, but it seems unjust to give him just a little consideration before tapering off the ballot.
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Y'know, for some reason I thought Isringhausen was a Pretty Big Deal in St. Louis , circa 2000-2005, but looked him up and nothing really jumped out at me. Probably just because he was mentioned as a Pretty Big Deal in the movie version of "Moneyball" (don't get me started on that movie... it made its point well, but how do you cover a team's season and ignore the MVP and Cy Young winners who were BOTH on that team?!)
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Jan 26 2018, 08:47 AM
Don Mattingly stayed on the ballot for 15 years with a similar 4-5 year window of greatness. Missed an entire season (practically) and then 4-5 years of mediocrity. It's hard to compare position players to pitchers, but it seems unjust to give him just a little consideration before tapering off the ballot.
I thought Mattingly had 10 great years

But I googled his stats. And yep only 6 years

He was always elite defensively. Maybe that gave him more votes.
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Santana had 4 elite years. 3 with the twins and his first with the Mets

But the rest of his career was meh.
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