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WWE TV and Network Talk 2018
Topic Started: Jan 8 2018, 02:40 PM (2,415 Views)
Erick Von Erich
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She's done it all, kept her nose clean (no huge drug induced escapades and no porn videos to her name). She's a good company woman who deserves some recognition.
What obviously helped her case was her performance at the 1988 SuperClash III in the 9-woman battle royal. She had an amount of work outside of WWE, pre-1999, but I'd put her WWE career in-line with someone like Jacqueline.

Yeah, they're starting to scrape/dig. Scrooge's predictions about future inductees will probably be accurate. I could see them adding Victoria and/or Molly Holly, though. Is Elizabeth in, due to Macho Man?

Of course, it's all setting up for the Hall of Fame Induction of Stephanie McMahon as the headliner in 2020.
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The setting,commentary, HBK/Tatanka,Steiners/Shrinkers make WM 9 enjoyable to me. Everything else while bad is still watchable. Like Scrooge I liked the time period as well so that helps.

The worst? Toss up between 11 and 27.
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Scrooge McSuck
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15 gets my vote.

Bad wrestling
Bad storytelling
Bad match making (Tag Title challengers determined by a Battle Royal, swapping Gunn and Road Dogg in their respective quests and stories)
SWERVES~!

It's the worst of Vince Russo, where the show-long storyline is "who will be a fucking referee."

As good as people say Rock/Austin is, their match at X-Seven (and even XIX with broken Austin) is way better.
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I agree 15 was the shits. That show REEKED of Russo.
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I actually stayed up and watched 205 Live... Live. For once. THOUGHTS!

Mark Andrews vs. Akira Tozawa started a bit slow, and definitely felt like it wasn't going to be anything special, but they were given time to blossom and it turned into a darn good match (with a lukewarm crowd).

Buddy Murphy is going to be in the Tournament. The dude deserves a shot, and his work will fit with the roster, even if a 205 Live call-up isn't glamorous. He faces Daivari next week. During his hype video, they even staged a 205 weigh-in for him to be able to compete (204.4 lbs, FTR).

Dallas Maverick (yes, I'm calling him that) chewed out Jack Gallagher for his wardrobe choice and ordered him to wear appropriate ring attire next week vs. Mustafa Ali.

Drew Gulak vs. Tony Nese seemed a bit unbalanced with who was working face and heel. The work was really good, and Gulak fucking DESTROYING Nese for the last 90-seconds or so is how you make someone come across as a serious threat and not a comedy wrestler.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NO cellphone promos with SEsame Street words plastered on the screen.
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It's time for WrestleMania... TEN! (TEN! TEN! TEN! TEN!)

As I've mentioned before, Bret vs. Owen is in my Top 5 matches of all-time.

My memory might be playing tricks on me, but this might be the last WrestleMania to start in the afternoon (I want to say 4 pm, but the exact time isn't coming clearly to me).

Going into the show, I was super-excited for one thing: Bret Hart winning the title back. No, this isn't some insider knowledge of a child, just wishful thinking, since Bret was my favorite wrestler at the time. No one knew what to expect from the Ladder Match, and the rest of the card ranged from "OK" (Savage/Crush) to "don't care" (MOM/Quebecers, among others).

Considering it was WRESTLEMANIA, I laughed a lot at the fact they didn't even mention Alundra Blayze's opponent until maybe a week before the show. It was originally Debbie Combs, but that changed quickly to "she defends the belt... against someone."

Little Richard's lip sync efforts might be the worst in Mania history. Even as a kid, I could tell his lips weren't matching the vocals played. SHAM!
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I believe it was the last WrestleMania to start in the afternoon. Remember a guy I went to school with called me that evening and told me the results.
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Another day, another WrestleMania... WrestleMania XI!


Again, these are more reflections of my youth rather than modern snarky bullshit. This might've been the least special WrestleMania when it came to hype that I can recall. 9 had a so-so lineup, but a spectacle of Caesar's Palace. 12 had the Iron-Man Match and not much else. This had a football player vs. a midcarder as the headline match. Even though I was a kid growing up in New York, and it was covered in the local papers, I had little interest to see Lawrence Taylor wrestle. Other than Mike Tyson, celebrity involvement in wrestling has rarely sparked interest for me.

When the card was announced and the match tally stopped at SEVEN, I just had to think "What?!" We went from shows with 14 matches, to shows with 9 or 10, and now all we're getting is 7?!

I half-expected Luger to lose to the Blu Twins, and turn on Davey Boy. Instead, it was a cookie-cutter match to put them over. Shows how weak the heel side is when two upper midcard guys get stuck in this shit spot.

I had no clue who would be Owen's partner. Never even thought of Yoko, who was never mentioned on TV since Survivor Series.

My local PPV provider glitched out during the conclusion of Bret/Backlund, so I didn't get to see the finish of what Bret considers his worst match ever on PPV.
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The next inductee for WWE's Hall of Fame...


JEFF JARRETT?!?!?!?! HOLY HELL!?!?
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After a couple of days off, time to pick things up with WrestleMania... XII.


My 1 and only snarky comment about this Mania: 1996 opened with months worth of vignettes making fun of Ted Turner, Hogan, Savage, and Okerlund, along with WCW in general. One of the common themes was signing old, washed up stars. In the time that this all happened, WWE brings back Jake Roberts, Roddy Piper, and Ultimate Warrior. The latter of the three not "old" in age, but by 1996, was a relic of a different era. On a more lowkey note, Henry Godwinn isn't getting over, so they bring in Hillbilly Jim as his manager. WHAT was the love for this guy?


Thoughts as a child!

6 matches on the PPV?! JIP! To be fair, one is guaranteed to go an hour, but some of the matches didn't intrigue me in the slightest.

I hated, hated, HATED Warrior going over in 90-seconds. It felt like a big ripoff considering his return was the 2nd-most hyped part of the show. It didn't matter who his opponent was, as long as it was a competitive superstar. It should've gone at least 5 minutes.

It didn't take much for 11 year old me to guess the Ironman Match was going to be 0-0 at the end when the half-way mark approached. People say the crowd was dead for most of this, they're wrong. They were dead for most of the night. For a while, California Mania's to me were the worst because it seemed like they had the most quiet crowds.

"Isn't that Johnny B. Badd?" LOL
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I don't think I've ever watched WM XII. Remember seeing announcements and "news" about it on AOL, at the time. I thought: "wow, that's it? Their roster really sucks, nowadays". I half-expected WWF to go out of business within the year.

Oh by the way: did you know that Henry O. Godwinn actually has the initials of "H.O.G"?! He also has a brother whose initials are "P.I.G"! Ha-ha-haaaaa*!

Somewhat surprised they didn't craft a cousin for them, named "Cletus O. Willoughby"

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They had an Uncle Cletus (formerly Tony Anthony, the Dirty White Boy, a.k.a TL Hopper).

God, the mid 90's was really bad.
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This week, 205 Live wraps up the 1st Round.

Buddy Murphy vs. Daivari was alright. I took it as a showcase match for Murphy, and he was allowed to look good, but obviously didn't go out and throw everything he had into a 10-minute window. You could say Daivari was in there to be his Barry Horowitz.

Gran Metalik and Lince Dorado squashed a pair of jobbers. With a deep enough roster, I wouldn't mind a tag team title, but they are a LONG way on the road to recovery to expand the championships.

Mustafa Ali vs. Jack Gallagher was one of the better matches of the 1st Round. If it were my call, I'd put the belt on Ali. He's a great underdog and a babyface to get behind, and you just want to see him succeed.

Next week, TJP vs. Cedric and Kalisto vs. Strong, and in 2 weeks, Gulak vs. Andrews and Murphy vs. Ali.

Cedric vs. Strong, and Gulak vs. Ali would be my personal choices, and if I'm WWE's creative staff, it remains the same except for Murphy. I don't see him going to the Finals, but I don't think he loses just yet.
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It's time for WrestleMania 13 (I'm writing this as I finish suffering through Goldust/HHH). The first Mania since 2 to not get the roman numeral treatment. As of 1997, this might be the least "WrestleMania" feel show in the history of the PPV. 11 is a weak show with an uninspired location, but had the involvement of Lawrence Taylor which falls in line with WWE's usual sense of what needs to be accomplished to put Mania together: celebrities or special sets. This has neither. There's a bunch of fluff, the Main Event is one of the worst ever, and if not for an all-time great match and a decent street fight that followed, this would've easily been a "Worst" candidate.


Back to the "nothing new" files, the meaningless IC Title Match serves as a WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT(tm) for retired Rocky Johnson to save his son from a broken down, washed-up Iron Sheik.


Mania 13 marked the first time since Mania 8 where I started to distance myself from the product, and this time it was by choice. The roster was thin and mostly filled with people I didn't care for one way or another, and stopped caring. It was about 2-3 weeks before the PPV where I stopped putting together compilations of the weekly TV, with the last match I ever taped being the Bulldog/Owen Euro Title Finals. We probably ordered the show because "WrestleMania", but I had little desire to watch it, and was bored out of my mind until Austin bled buckets all over the place.
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WM13 feels like an 80's JCP/NWA show; with "modern" production.
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