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The Thread of Many Questions
Topic Started: Sep 2 2013, 05:52 AM (51,393 Views)
Ohlmann
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Corinthian,Sep 28 2013
04:04 PM
I am fairly sure that it did not work together in D3. Because both effects work through adding a new secondary effect to existing attacks and they would overwrite any effect that was already there. Including other blesses. So fire weapons would overwrite death weapons or the opposite.

In dom3 I agree. It seem to have changed in dom4. Bone glaive trigger with both D9 and F9.

But I wouldn't bet that because secondaryeffect work with F9 and D9 mean that thoses bless stacks.
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amuys
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Exactly how viable do you think nonbuffed short bows are in the mid and late ages, guys?
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SenterLeenk
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Absolutely useless.
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Ohlmann
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I expected SenterLeenk to say hyperbole once again. We got it that you hate LA Caelum and that everything that even begin to look like something that is in it deserve your righteous fury. It's not true simply because you shout it.

Short bow are good as specific counter I would say. Cheap chaff often isn't that well armored. Of course, the cheap chaff was often hit by nerf in dom4 anyway, like the markata being undisciplined.
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amuys
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Just played some MA Man which has access to shortbows, longbows, and crossbows. Shortbows don't seem to be really that great against anything that has armor better than leather. Longbows and Crossbows on the other hand are still rather good.
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legowarrior
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Also, the one quality that everyone likes about shortbows is the quantity of shortbows you can usually get for a low price, or few resources. As Stalin said "Quantity has a quality all its own." (at least it is attributed to him).

When you can fill the air with arrows, something is bound to happen. At the very least, you force the enemy to invest in shields.
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Sorry, my hateboner for Return of the Raptors is making me upset. Here's a list of late age nations and their best ranged recruitables.
Jomon: Samurai Archers with Longbows
Marignon:Crossbowmen with Crossbows
Man: Crossbowmen with Crossbows
Ulm: Rangers with Crossbows
Mictlan: Warriors with Slings and Javelins
Lemurai: Spectral Legionaries with Spectral Javelin
C'tis: Poison Slingers with Poison Slings
Pythium: Legionaries with Javelins
Arco: Slingers and Peltasts with Slings and Javelins
Agartha: Agarthan Crossbowmen with Agarthan Crossbows
Urd: Jotun Hurlers and Javelinists with Javelins and Boulders
Patala: Bandar Archers and Nagas with Longbows and Poison Spit
Gath: Reubenite and Benjamites with Shortbows and Slings
Midgard: Archers with Shortbows
Tien Chi: Barbarian Horsemen and Ancestor Vessels with Composite Bows and Howling Bows
Pangaea: Satyr Snipers with Crossbows
Abyssia: Axe Throwers with Throwing Axes
Atlantis: Seal Hunters with Harpoons
Caelum: Spirehorn Archers with Shortbows
The nations that have weak ranged units like Midgard and Abyssia make up for it with skilled and armored infantry. If it's not armor, it's something special like cheap sacreds for Mictlan or etherealness for Lemuria. Caelum has neither good archers or melee infantry that are better than the average indy heavy infantry.
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Ohlmann
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It's not exactly like Patala or Bogarus have stellar non-ranged troop to supplement their weak archer. (the Bandar archer suffer from poor precision and heavy cost, while the Black hood are very costly for archer). I don't see the Pangea troop to be much of a selling point either.

Also, LA Caelum have quite better troop (most proeminently the Raven Guard) than the other Caelum, but it's still pretty weak troops. It's pretty amusing to see that the very same ice equipment of Caelum have lead LA Atlantis to have supersoldiers :P
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I think the biggest problem by far is the fact that the Caelians tend to break formation while flying, but that's more of a mechanical problem than a balance one. Also, they get MONSTROUS fatigue whenever they move so that's a problem as well.
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parone
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yeah. but you rotten flying bastards get to spam Thunderstrike.

jesus Christ I hate thunderstrike.
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Late Age Caelum sadly is not guaranteed a thunderstrike caster. :( Air boosters are hard to forge, so you would have to have a pretender make one so your 3A Harab Elder can use storm so the other harab elders/caelian seraphs can cas storm power then thunderstrike. Both of which are cap only. :(
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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parone
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wow really?

that was always their A #1 equalizer vs heavy troops.

I have barely played dom4, so it is not surprising I don't know what the f**k i'm talking about...
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Ohlmann
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amuys,Oct 3 2013
02:01 AM
Late Age Caelum sadly is not guaranteed a thunderstrike caster. :( Air boosters are hard to forge, so you would have to have a pretender make one so your 3A Harab Elder can use storm so the other harab elders/caelian seraphs can cas storm power then thunderstrike. Both of which are cap only. :(

A3 harab elder can cast storm with an additional air gem no ?
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amuys
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Yeah, but even then it completely blows through your fatigue.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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hypocritelecteur
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Jesus dude, can you let just one thread discuss something other than Caelum? LA Caelum has some problems but honestly they are not bad at all unless you are only playing SP and the only problem you have to fight is the AI making ridiculously large armies and pooping them out on every single province. Caelum sucks at that. So if you're playing against the AI your most valuable weapons are not helpful. In MP Caelum is probably the most obnoxious nation if played correctly and you use small troops of air buffed melee and archers supported by your harabs battle summoned skellies to soak up melee and distract before the eagles tear apart back lines. You just attack as many PD provinces as possible every turn and scatter.

The nation does not suck, you suck at the nation or you are not playing against an opponent that gives half a dungpile about how sneaky and obnoxious you can be and doesn't feel the economic impact of constant raiding.

They do need some attention if only because for one of the most unique nations they do not have neat national spells or summons. And almost all of their national troops don't make sense or redundant. There's only the one viable play style and it is almost exactly the same throughout every age.
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